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OP - March 29, 2018, 09:50 AM

I was curious about the crime rates in countries that have Sharia implemented versus non-religious countries. I looked at the countries with the lowest crime rates and found that there was almost no difference between for example, murder rates while all other crime rates there is a massive difference. I would find the Nordic countries having among the lowest murder rates in the world, some have even lower than even Saudi Arabia (often touted as an example of a "crime free" country) yet thefts and rapes in Nordic countries are high which has me suspicious.

I understand that the heavy stigmatisation of female victims AND the lowered exposure to men would account for some of the lower reported rape rates in Saudi Arabia for example, but what about thefts? Is there some massaging of data going on and if so how do I demonstrate/prove it?

It seems very suspicious to me that countries with Sharia have no better murder rates than secular nations yet have such low reported theft/rape in comparison. Why the disparity?
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Reply #1 - April 09, 2018, 09:42 AM

Anybody?
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Reply #2 - April 09, 2018, 08:57 PM

Quote from: Tonks on March 29, 2018, 09:50 AM
I was curious about the crime rates in countries that have Sharia implemented versus non-religious countries. I looked at the countries with the lowest crime rates and found that there was almost no difference between for example, murder rates while all other crime rates there is a massive difference. I would find the Nordic countries having among the lowest murder rates in the world, some have even lower than even Saudi Arabia (often touted as an example of a "crime free" country) yet thefts and rapes in Nordic countries are high which has me suspicious.

Tonks well when you write such statements you must give links and statistical information on it..

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent-crime/Murder-rate-per-million-people

https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/Crime-statistics/International_Statistics_on_Crime_and_Justice.pdf

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I understand that the heavy stigmatisation of female victims AND the lowered exposure to men would account for some of the lower reported rape rates in Saudi Arabia for example, but what about thefts? Is there some massaging of data going on and if so how do I demonstrate/prove it?

no .. no massaging data ... Forget massaging,. Sand land govt does not know how to read the data ,,

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It seems very suspicious to me that countries with Sharia have no better murder rates than secular nations yet have such low reported theft/rape in comparison. Why the disparity?

Hmm that proves Sharia laws "LAWS FOR POOR FOLKS" work for theft but does not work murders..

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Reply #3 - April 13, 2018, 01:15 PM

Why would it work for thefts and not murders? Does it have to do with the impulsivity or emotional angel where murders are not done with forethought vs theft?
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Reply #4 - April 13, 2018, 01:29 PM

Quote from: Tonks on April 13, 2018, 01:15 PM
Why would it work for thefts and not murders? Does it have to do with the impulsivity or emotional angel where murders are not done with forethought vs theft?

   Tonks let me highlight what I said

Quote from: yeezevee on April 09, 2018, 08:57 PM

Tonks ................. Sharia laws are for "LAWS FOR POOR FOLKS" work for theft but does not work murders..

because poor folks may steal if they are in need of some thing So Sharia laws apply to them.,, your point also has some truth in it

that impulsive or emotional angel murders done by poor folks also gets them punishment but again that is for poor ..rich will escape by paying that blood money..

but your statement    needs the crime- punishment statistics in the countries that have Sharia laws,,



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Reply #5 - April 13, 2018, 01:51 PM

well the list of sharia punishments in the above post is superficial .. let me give detailed links

1). Sharia: A Practical Guide by Ruqaiyyah Waris Maqsood

2). Understanding Islamic Law SHAYKH MUHAMMAD HISHAM KABBANI

3). Islaamic Sharia Law Based on Quraan, Sunnah and Ijtihaad 500 pages pdf book

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Reply #6 - April 15, 2018, 09:39 AM

But Yeez I only have so much time to go through 500 pages! But some of the stats I am looking for are hard for me to find as I am not familiar with the countries and don't have a much info to address or demonstrate data fudging.
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Reply #7 - April 15, 2018, 12:58 PM

Quote from: Tonks on April 15, 2018, 09:39 AM
But Yeez I only have so much time to go through 500 pages!

lol....... Tonks that is a fact and that is true to all human beings

Life is short
Life has no time
Life is hard
And then we die
We All die

That is indeed a fact but Tonks the problem comes from your words
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Quote from: Tonks on April 15, 2018, 09:39 AM
................I would find the Nordic countries having among the lowest murder rates in the world, some have even lower than even Saudi Arabia (often touted as an example of a "crime free" country) yet thefts and rapes in Nordic countries are high which has me suspicious. ..........

Quote from: Tonks on April 15, 2018, 09:39 AM
................But some of the stats I am looking for are hard for me to find as I am not familiar with the countries and don't have a much info to address or demonstrate data fudging.


see that......

"you do not have time to search for statistics, you do not have time to read., you are not familiar with the countries and and you don't have a much information to address or demonstrate whether the data is fudged or not "

yet you are willing to say.....

"I would find the Nordic countries having among the lowest murder rates in the world, some have even lower than even Saudi Arabia (often touted as an example of a "crime free" country) yet thefts and rapes in Nordic countries are high which has me suspicious."

.....I am just kidding Tonks ... you do have a point there

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Reply #8 - April 15, 2018, 07:47 PM

I'm only familiar with Nordic countries and I can trust their data but when it comes to middle Eastern countries it's a whole different ball game.
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