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  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #90 - November 04, 2008, 12:13 PM
    Quote
    I am not here to answer to every irrelevant question u may imagine.


    Our questions were not irrelevant, and until you answer them, you will have failed in your mission to prove your site.

    Quote
    My site said- a bottleneck was discovered that may well be Noah's bottleneck.


    It is not Noah's bottleneck, because only one species bottlenecked.  Furthermore, you have yet to establish that the story of Noah's ark is even feasible, but you have shown us clearly that you cannot establish that by your avoidance of my questions about it.

    Quote
    So far scientists have not figured out what climatic adverse event led to the bottleneck, and till they do, this topic is dead.


    No, it isn't.  You have made a claim on your site that we have refuted, and now you are running away from it.

    Quote
    Now, can we proceed. Or u all are scared and wish to keep beating this dead horse?


    So you concede that you cannot answer any of our refutations then, and your claim about the bottleneck of 70,000 yrs ago being proof of Noah's Ark is rubbish.

    Fine, what's your next topic?  (And better luck next time, you'll need it if your next claim is as nonsensical as the last).



    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #91 - November 04, 2008, 12:13 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 04, 2008, 12:11 PM
    Of course we can proceed, now that you've conceded you have no point with genetics.
    How about geology? It totally kills your flood story so surely you must want to tackle that.


    Lemme quote from my website-

    Quote
    "...It may not be Noah's extinction, it may be one of the other extinctions God
    told us categorically of in the Holy books..."


    Are u trying to bottleneck me?  Cheesy

    Stop beating a dead horse. Be kind to animals living and dead. I said this is not yet concluded till scientists do more studies.

    Damn, mis-believers are something else. Huh?
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #92 - November 04, 2008, 12:15 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 12:13 PM


    Lemme quote from my website-

    Quote
    "...It may not be Noah's extinction, it may be one of the other extinctions God
    told us categorically of in the Holy books..."





    What other extinctions are spoken about in the Quran then? 
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #93 - November 04, 2008, 12:15 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on November 04, 2008, 12:13 PM


    Quote
    My site said- a bottleneck was discovered that may well be Noah's bottleneck.


    It is not Noah's bottleneck, because only one species bottlenecked.  Furthermore, you have yet to establish that the story of Noah's ark is even feasible, but you have shown us clearly that you cannot establish that by your avoidance of my questions about it.






    That is NOT true.

    Now lies and ignance disgust me.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #94 - November 04, 2008, 12:16 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on November 04, 2008, 12:15 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 12:13 PM


    Lemme quote from my website-

    Quote
    "...It may not be Noah's extinction, it may be one of the other extinctions God
    told us categorically of in the Holy books..."





    What other extinctions are spoken about in the Quran then? 


    Tons.

    Need a lecture?
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #95 - November 04, 2008, 12:17 PM
    Yes but you're still claiming a global flood. Geology proves it didn't happen. So............... bunny
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #96 - November 04, 2008, 12:18 PM
    Quote
    That is NOT true.

    Now lies and ignance disgust me.


    It is absolutely true.  You avoided all my questions about Noah's Ark, obviously because you cannot answer them.  So if lies and ignorance disgust you, stop indulging in them.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #97 - November 04, 2008, 12:18 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 04, 2008, 12:17 PM
    Yes but you're still claiming a global flood. Geology proves it didn't happen. So............... bunny


    Ok, I agree. Geology has not found evidence of it happening.

    can we leave this horse and move to the next topic?
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #98 - November 04, 2008, 12:20 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 12:16 PM


    Tons.

    Need a lecture?


    Do you practise lying or does it just happen on the spur of the moment?

    According to the Quran the only global extinction instigated by Allah was the flood, any other smiting of the wicked was localised only.

    So if you actually have something to show I am wrong show it.  Roll Eyes
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #99 - November 04, 2008, 12:20 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on November 04, 2008, 12:18 PM
    Quote
    That is NOT true.

    Now lies and ignance disgust me.


    It is absolutely true.  You avoided all my questions about Noah's Ark, obviously because you cannot answer them.  So if lies and ignorance disgust you, stop indulging in them.


    It is NOT true.

    They just found evidence of a human bottleneck this year, and have not yet concluded on the animal effect.

    Stop guessing or lying, it's really disgusting.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #100 - November 04, 2008, 12:22 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on November 04, 2008, 12:20 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 12:16 PM


    Tons.

    Need a lecture?


    Do you practise lying or does it just happen on the spur of the moment?

    According to the Quran the only global extinction instigated by Allah was the flood, any other smiting of the wicked was localised only.

    So if you actually have something to show I am wrong show it.  Roll Eyes


    Ignance.

    Tons I said. Tons.

    I got one, u def. was not ever b4 a Moslem. BerberElla,  Will catch the rest of u soon.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #101 - November 04, 2008, 12:22 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 12:07 PM

    I am not here to answer to every irrelevant question u may imagine. I am not being paid for this service or am I?

    I am here to prove my site.

    My site said- a bottleneck was discovered that may well be Noah's bottleneck.

    So far scientists have not figured out what climatic adverse event led to the bottleneck, and till they do, this topic is dead.

    Now, can we proceed. Or u all are scared and wish to keep beating this dead horse?


    Well, I'm sure there are a lot of people here who agree with you, that there was indeed a 'bottleneck' at some point in the past.  If that's all you came to do was to say that... then mission accomplished.  

    What you haven't done at all, is support or promote your Creationist beliefs in anyway with this.  You haven't done anything to 'prove your site'.  To do that, one typically needs to bring supporting evidence to the table and address people's questions.

    (why am I even talking about this....)
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #102 - November 04, 2008, 12:23 PM
    Ok, so you admit you have no genetic evidence for Noah's flood and you admit all the geological evidence is against Noah's flood. What is there to discuss then? The flood myth is kaput. Right?
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #103 - November 04, 2008, 12:25 PM
    Quote
    It is NOT true.

    They just found evidence of a human bottleneck this year, and have not yet concluded on the animal effect.

    Stop guessing or lying, it's really disgusting.


    Actually, the knowledge of a human genetic bottleneck is around ten years old.  But whatever about that, the truth that I asserted in my last post is your avoidance of all my questions about the Flood, and your avoidance of the geological proof that a global flood never took place.  This proves that you are unable to back up your point, so stop flogging a dead horse and concede then we can move on to something else.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #104 - November 04, 2008, 12:28 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 04, 2008, 12:23 PM
    Ok, so you admit you have no genetic evidence for Noah's flood and you admit all the geological evidence is against Noah's flood. What is there to discuss then? The flood myth is kaput. Right?


    U r so sesperate.

    U are using ur claims to give urself a false state of security.

    Where did we find out that genetics did not support a bottleneck? There was a bottleneck supported by genetics, that's the discovery 70,000 years ago.

     Huh?
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #105 - November 04, 2008, 12:28 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 12:22 PM

    Ignance.

    Tons I said. Tons.

    I got one, u def. was not ever b4 a Moslem. BerberElla,  Will catch the rest of u soon.


    If you are going to accuse me of ignorance prove that ignorance, I mean if I was to say you were an idiot I would quote one of your posts as back up. 

    You have nothing to add or you would have added it.

    I can see now why your thread was locked.  Roll Eyes It would be a waste of time to have you spam the board with your theories when you are so reluctant to defend them.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #106 - November 04, 2008, 12:29 PM
    Oh and yes, it is around ten years old. I remember when it first came up and there was discussion about it being linked to the Toba eruption. It's hardly breaking news. AgainstScience really doesn't seem to follow the science news at all.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #107 - November 04, 2008, 12:30 PM
    Quote
    Where did we find out that genetics did not support a bottleneck? There was a bottleneck supported by genetics, that's the discovery 70,000 years ago.


    Right, once more for the slow kid in the class.  A genetic bottleneck in one species is not evidence of the Flood.  Where is your evidence for a simultaneous bottleneck in all species?
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #108 - November 04, 2008, 12:31 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on November 04, 2008, 12:25 PM
    Quote
    It is NOT true.

    They just found evidence of a human bottleneck this year, and have not yet concluded on the animal effect.

    Stop guessing or lying, it's really disgusting.


    Actually, the knowledge of a human genetic bottleneck is around ten years old.  But whatever about that, the truth that I asserted in my last post is your avoidance of all my questions about the Flood, and your avoidance of the geological proof that a global flood never took place.  This proves that you are unable to back up your point, so stop flogging a dead horse and concede then we can move on to something else.


    1. 'genetic' ten years ago? I don't think so. What's ur profession?
    2. Where did I say 'global'?
    3. Since when did 'no strong evidence suggesting', mean 'No.?
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #109 - November 04, 2008, 12:32 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 12:28 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 04, 2008, 12:23 PM
    Ok, so you admit you have no genetic evidence for Noah's flood and you admit all the geological evidence is against Noah's flood. What is there to discuss then? The flood myth is kaput. Right?


    U r so sesperate.

    U are using ur claims to give urself a false state of security.

    Where did we find out that genetics did not support a bottleneck? There was a bottleneck supported by genetics, that's the discovery 70,000 years ago.

     Huh?

    Wrong. What I said was that the bottleneck, and I'm not disputing that it happened, is not evidence of Noah's flood and you have conceded this. You have also conceded the geological evidence is against your flood. So, by your own admission, the flood story is sunk. That is, unless you have some evidence hidden up your sleeve.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #110 - November 04, 2008, 12:32 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 11:49 AM
    Quote from: Variable on November 04, 2008, 11:38 AM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 11:07 AM
    Do u guys watch the US elections?

    the way the democrats prove the repubs as evil, and the repubs prove the dems as evil?


    I say we wait and see the evidence as it unfolds about this recent bottleneck discovery.

    Patience any1?


    You know, I applaud the fact that you came out to 'hostile territory' so to speak, to have a debate (of sorts).  But really all you've done is bring up an open ended fact, without really looking into it at all, or bringing any supporting evidence to bear, and asked people to 'prove you wrong' based on it.  And it's kind of painful to watch.

    As for your point on a 'bottleneck', the idea isn't really news.  I was just reading about it in a book published in 1997.  I don't know what you're expecting to happen.... perhaps to come here, lay this fact on the table and expect everyone who doesn't share your beliefs to be stumped?



    Nope.
    I just expect us to all politely agree to wait and see where this 2008 brand new discovery leads us. But in the interim to move on to better topics from my site.

    But alas, these desperados r scared to move to more substantiated discourse and wish dwell forever beating a horses shadow. Notice they picked this topic from my site, an open topic as stated there.

    Y did they shut my thread. Slavery era is over. I can discuss two topics in parallel. I was doing so where Jihadist found me... they claiming i will spam. Can't he see me spam b4 deleting my spam and locking me up? In truth they r scared and are pouncing on this open, inconclusive issue.

    Sad? or desperate? Sasperate.


    According to the article linked on the AgainstScience site regarding this bottleneck from around 70,000 years ago this "2008 brand new discovery" links the cause of the population decline to severe drought in Africa and not a severe flooding event.

    Quote from: CNN
    The human population at that time was reduced to small isolated groups in Africa, apparently because of drought, according to an analysis released Thursday.


    Source

    Try to ensure your evidence actually supports your claim.

    Regards,
    Gonzo
    "The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles" - Ayn Rand
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #111 - November 04, 2008, 12:32 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on November 04, 2008, 12:28 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 12:22 PM

    Ignance.

    Tons I said. Tons.

    I got one, u def. was not ever b4 a Moslem. BerberElla,  Will catch the rest of u soon.


    If you are going to accuse me of ignorance prove that ignorance, I mean if I was to say you were an idiot I would quote one of your posts as back up. 

    You have nothing to add or you would have added it.

    I can see now why your thread was locked.  Roll Eyes It would be a waste of time to have you spam the board with your theories when you are so reluctant to defend them.


    Admit u were never a Muslim b4.

    then I will teach u this basic knowledge.....
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #112 - November 04, 2008, 12:33 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 04, 2008, 12:32 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 12:28 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 04, 2008, 12:23 PM
    Ok, so you admit you have no genetic evidence for Noah's flood and you admit all the geological evidence is against Noah's flood. What is there to discuss then? The flood myth is kaput. Right?


    U r so sesperate.

    U are using ur claims to give urself a false state of security.

    Where did we find out that genetics did not support a bottleneck? There was a bottleneck supported by genetics, that's the discovery 70,000 years ago.

     Huh?

    Wrong. What I said was that the bottleneck, and I'm not disputing that it happened, is not evidence of Noah's flood and you have conceded this. You have also conceded the geological evidence is against your flood. So, by your own admission, the flood story is sunk. That is, unless you have some evidence hidden up your sleeve.


    I did not just concede this. It is on my site.

    Ok, i am getting frustrated. this is low.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #113 - November 04, 2008, 12:35 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 12:32 PM


    Admit u were never a Muslim b4.

    then I will teach u this basic knowledge.....


    I'm not going to admit to an untruth, I was a muslim, born a muslim, practised it completely.  I really don't care if you believe that or not.

    You have no knowledge to teach.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #114 - November 04, 2008, 12:35 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 12:31 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on November 04, 2008, 12:25 PM
    Quote
    It is NOT true.

    They just found evidence of a human bottleneck this year, and have not yet concluded on the animal effect.

    Stop guessing or lying, it's really disgusting.


    Actually, the knowledge of a human genetic bottleneck is around ten years old.  But whatever about that, the truth that I asserted in my last post is your avoidance of all my questions about the Flood, and your avoidance of the geological proof that a global flood never took place.  This proves that you are unable to back up your point, so stop flogging a dead horse and concede then we can move on to something else.


    1. 'genetic' ten years ago? I don't think so. What's ur profession?
    2. Where did I say 'global'?
    3. Since when did 'no strong evidence suggesting', mean 'No.?

    1/ Yes, ten years old. Want me to dig up the papers for you? Scientific papers that is.
    2/ Yes, global. Are you now claiming that the flood of Noah wiped out all creatures on earth but was only a localised flood?
    3/ It means "No" when there is strong evidence against. That is what you have to confront.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #115 - November 04, 2008, 12:36 PM
    Quote
    1. 'genetic' ten years ago?


    Yes, ten years ago.

    Quote
    I don't think so.


    What you think seems to have very little bearing on reality.  Noah's flood never happened.  Islam is wrong about something, and science is right.  Islam's not very good, is it? Smiley

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #116 - November 04, 2008, 12:36 PM
    Quote from: gonzo on November 04, 2008, 12:32 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 11:49 AM
    Quote from: Variable on November 04, 2008, 11:38 AM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 11:07 AM
    Do u guys watch the US elections?

    the way the democrats prove the repubs as evil, and the repubs prove the dems as evil?


    I say we wait and see the evidence as it unfolds about this recent bottleneck discovery.

    Patience any1?


    You know, I applaud the fact that you came out to 'hostile territory' so to speak, to have a debate (of sorts).  But really all you've done is bring up an open ended fact, without really looking into it at all, or bringing any supporting evidence to bear, and asked people to 'prove you wrong' based on it.  And it's kind of painful to watch.

    As for your point on a 'bottleneck', the idea isn't really news.  I was just reading about it in a book published in 1997.  I don't know what you're expecting to happen.... perhaps to come here, lay this fact on the table and expect everyone who doesn't share your beliefs to be stumped?



    Nope.
    I just expect us to all politely agree to wait and see where this 2008 brand new discovery leads us. But in the interim to move on to better topics from my site.

    But alas, these desperados r scared to move to more substantiated discourse and wish dwell forever beating a horses shadow. Notice they picked this topic from my site, an open topic as stated there.

    Y did they shut my thread. Slavery era is over. I can discuss two topics in parallel. I was doing so where Jihadist found me... they claiming i will spam. Can't he see me spam b4 deleting my spam and locking me up? In truth they r scared and are pouncing on this open, inconclusive issue.

    Sad? or desperate? Sasperate.


    According to the article linked on the AgainstScience site regarding this bottleneck from around 70,000 years ago this "2008 brand new discovery" links the cause of the population decline to severe drought in Africa and not a severe flooding event.

    Quote from: CNN
    The human population at that time was reduced to small isolated groups in Africa, apparently because of drought, according to an analysis released Thursday.


    Source

    Try to ensure your evidence actually supports your claim.

    Regards,
    Gonzo



    "....Eastern Africa experienced a series of severe droughts between 135,000 and 90,000 years ago, and researchers said this climatological shift may have contributed to the population changes, dividing into small, isolated groups that developed independently...."


    Is this ur first exposure to this bottleneck topic?
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #117 - November 04, 2008, 12:37 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 04, 2008, 12:35 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 12:31 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on November 04, 2008, 12:25 PM
    Quote
    It is NOT true.

    They just found evidence of a human bottleneck this year, and have not yet concluded on the animal effect.

    Stop guessing or lying, it's really disgusting.


    Actually, the knowledge of a human genetic bottleneck is around ten years old.  But whatever about that, the truth that I asserted in my last post is your avoidance of all my questions about the Flood, and your avoidance of the geological proof that a global flood never took place.  This proves that you are unable to back up your point, so stop flogging a dead horse and concede then we can move on to something else.


    1. 'genetic' ten years ago? I don't think so. What's ur profession?
    2. Where did I say 'global'?
    3. Since when did 'no strong evidence suggesting', mean 'No.?

    1/ Yes, ten years old. Want me to dig up the papers for you? Scientific papers that is.
    2/ Yes, global. Are you now claiming that the flood of Noah wiped out all creatures on earth but was only a localised flood?
    3/ It means "No" when there is strong evidence against. That is what you have to confront.



    Please do.
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #118 - November 04, 2008, 12:38 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 12:37 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 04, 2008, 12:35 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 12:31 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on November 04, 2008, 12:25 PM
    Quote
    It is NOT true.

    They just found evidence of a human bottleneck this year, and have not yet concluded on the animal effect.

    Stop guessing or lying, it's really disgusting.


    Actually, the knowledge of a human genetic bottleneck is around ten years old.  But whatever about that, the truth that I asserted in my last post is your avoidance of all my questions about the Flood, and your avoidance of the geological proof that a global flood never took place.  This proves that you are unable to back up your point, so stop flogging a dead horse and concede then we can move on to something else.


    1. 'genetic' ten years ago? I don't think so. What's ur profession?
    2. Where did I say 'global'?
    3. Since when did 'no strong evidence suggesting', mean 'No.?

    1/ Yes, ten years old. Want me to dig up the papers for you? Scientific papers that is.
    2/ Yes, global. Are you now claiming that the flood of Noah wiped out all creatures on earth but was only a localised flood?
    3/ It means "No" when there is strong evidence against. That is what you have to confront.



    Please do.

    Not a problem. I'll go an google some up for you.

    Now, while I'm doing that how about 2 and 3?
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Religion got it right before science
     Reply #119 - November 04, 2008, 12:39 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on November 04, 2008, 12:35 PM
    Quote from: AgainstScience on November 04, 2008, 12:32 PM


    Admit u were never a Muslim b4.

    then I will teach u this basic knowledge.....


    I'm not going to admit to an untruth, I was a muslim, born a muslim, practised it completely.  I really don't care if you believe that or not.

    You have no knowledge to teach.



    Don't leave a faith without first knowing about it.

    U def. ne'er read the Quran, cuz it lists tons of extinctions. So sad, really. I could have guessed. Similar stories erry1?
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