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 Topic: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary

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  • Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     OP - December 01, 2008, 07:16 AM
    Documentary on Forced Marriages of British Nationals in Pakistan on BBC 2 Tonight.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #1 - December 01, 2008, 12:32 PM
    Here's an article from the BBC website about it.


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7754280.stm


    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #2 - December 01, 2008, 01:54 PM
    7pm BBC2
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #3 - December 01, 2008, 02:38 PM
     finmad I wish I could see it here...
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #4 - December 01, 2008, 08:01 PM
    Very good program - and moving.

    I couldn't help thinking that although some British girls are getting help - many others have no-one to help them.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #5 - December 01, 2008, 08:14 PM
    Darn it, I missed it, I was putting up the Christmas tree.  parrot
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #6 - December 01, 2008, 08:18 PM
    Already??  Its not even December.

    I missed it too.  I expect it will be You Tubed soon enough though.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #7 - December 02, 2008, 07:03 AM
    I watched the program but can't help but think that the ones who debated staying with their new husbands were too immature to know what was good for them.

  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #8 - December 02, 2008, 09:21 AM
    I think you're right speaklow. But like abused women everywhere, they can't believe that it's always going to stay that bad and they tag along waiting for a change for the better that's not going to happen because in that situation it's them that's supposed to change.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #9 - December 02, 2008, 09:51 AM
    I think the major problem here is the prevaling clan mentality of most South Asians plus the group or herd mentality espoused by Islamic teachings which instruct the believer to sacrifice their own needs for the greater needs of clan and society.

    Sadly, it will take generations for this mentality to change and adapt to modern society. 

    I'm glad that the British and Pakistani authorities are doing something about it though.

    What really gets my goat though is the laxity in attendance reporting for schoolchildren in the UK.  In the US, if your child misses school for so many days, no matter what race or religion they belong to, the parents will have the authorities on their doorstep in no time with a warning that if they don't send their child back to school they will have to face the consequences.
    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #10 - December 02, 2008, 06:55 PM
    Quote from: speaklow on December 02, 2008, 07:03 AM
    I watched the program but can't help but think that the ones who debated staying with their new husbands were too immature to know what was good for them.


    I agree, she looked confused and clearly did not want to stay but felt 'honour-bound' - afraid of bringing shame on her parents - these poor girls are often just as caught up in this 'honour' mentality as the men-folk are.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #11 - December 02, 2008, 06:59 PM
    Quote from: Nour on December 02, 2008, 09:51 AM


    Sadly, it will take generations for this mentality to change and adapt to modern society. 



    I thought T, Albert, Neelam and the rest were real heroes - especially Albert, he was like; "Don't worry we can take you out now, there is a car outside'  Afro
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #12 - December 05, 2008, 06:27 PM
    It's still on iplayer.

    The man who runs the shop says 50-60% of the marriages are forced and to their cousin.

    People who say arranged marriages aren?t the same as forced marriages are deluded.
    oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #13 - December 05, 2008, 06:47 PM
    Quote from: animation_guy on December 05, 2008, 06:27 PM
    People who say arranged marriages aren?t the same as forced marriages are deluded.


    I say arranged marriages aren't the same as forced marriages.

    Smiley

    btw - I had an arranged marriage.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #14 - December 05, 2008, 06:50 PM
    I think it depends what kind of arranged marriage.  Some of them may be called arranged marriages but the pressure is what makes them realistically a forced marriage.

    A girl may agree without physical pressure, just the knowledge that this is her only destiny, and to me that is forced.

    On the other hand the ones who happily go into an arranged marriage are not forced.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #15 - December 05, 2008, 06:53 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on December 05, 2008, 06:50 PM
    I think it depends what kind of arranged marriage.  Some of them may be called arranged marriages but the pressure is what makes them realistically a forced marriage.

    A girl may agree without physical pressure, just the knowledge that this is her only destiny, and to me that is forced.

    On the other hand the ones who happily go into an arranged marriage are not forced.


    I agree, and will only add that a great many 'arranged marriages' are little more than 'introductions' and although there may be some pressure - it is NOT the same as being locked up in a room and forced to marry someone.

    I'm not necessarily defending arranged marriages - but there is a difference.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #16 - December 05, 2008, 06:55 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on December 05, 2008, 06:53 PM


    I agree, and will only add that a great many 'arranged marriages' are little more than 'introductions' and although there may be some pressure - it is NOT the same as being locked up in a room and forced to marry someone.

    I'm not necessarily defending arranged marriages - but there is a difference.


    Agreed, I just thought some clarification was necessary.  bunny

    I know people who asks their parents to find them a spouse.  Smiley
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #17 - December 05, 2008, 07:07 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on December 05, 2008, 06:47 PM
    Quote from: animation_guy on December 05, 2008, 06:27 PM
    People who say arranged marriages aren?t the same as forced marriages are deluded.


    I say arranged marriages aren't the same as forced marriages.

    Smiley

    btw - I had an arranged marriage.

    You had several by the look of it!
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #18 - December 05, 2008, 07:10 PM
    Quote from: sojournerlumus on December 05, 2008, 07:07 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on December 05, 2008, 06:47 PM
    Quote from: animation_guy on December 05, 2008, 06:27 PM
    People who say arranged marriages aren?t the same as forced marriages are deluded.


    I say arranged marriages aren't the same as forced marriages.

    Smiley

    btw - I had an arranged marriage.

    You had several by the look of it!


    Two if you want to be technical about it.  grin12

  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #19 - December 05, 2008, 07:11 PM
    Yeah there is nothing wrong with arranged marriages, its always nice to marry a woman with a little bit of mistry to her, and I don't mean the bitch having hepatitis C!
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #20 - December 05, 2008, 07:15 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on December 05, 2008, 07:10 PM
    Quote from: sojournerlumus on December 05, 2008, 07:07 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on December 05, 2008, 06:47 PM
    Quote from: animation_guy on December 05, 2008, 06:27 PM
    People who say arranged marriages aren?t the same as forced marriages are deluded.


    I say arranged marriages aren't the same as forced marriages.

    Smiley

    btw - I had an arranged marriage.

    You had several by the look of it!


    Two if you want to be technical about it.  grin12



    So, did you do the 'I divorce thee' x3 bit?
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #21 - December 05, 2008, 07:17 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on December 05, 2008, 07:11 PM
    Yeah there is nothing wrong with arranged marriages, its always nice to marry a woman with a little bit of mistry to her, and I don't mean the bitch having hepatitis C!

    There you go with the disrespect of women again, Tut. Think about what you're saying BEFORE you click the post tab.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #22 - December 05, 2008, 07:19 PM
    I'm going to give you a firm warning here Tut, the next time you disrespect women you will be smited, you know the rules.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #23 - December 05, 2008, 07:41 PM
    Quote from: sojournerlumus on December 05, 2008, 07:15 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on December 05, 2008, 07:10 PM
    Quote from: sojournerlumus on December 05, 2008, 07:07 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on December 05, 2008, 06:47 PM
    Quote from: animation_guy on December 05, 2008, 06:27 PM
    People who say arranged marriages aren?t the same as forced marriages are deluded.


    I say arranged marriages aren't the same as forced marriages.

    Smiley

    btw - I had an arranged marriage.

    You had several by the look of it!


    Two if you want to be technical about it.  grin12



    So, did you do the 'I divorce thee' x3 bit?


    Yes, it's a necessary part of an Islamic divorce.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #24 - December 05, 2008, 07:44 PM
    So, did you need a civil divorce too?
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #25 - December 05, 2008, 07:46 PM
    Quote from: sojournerlumus on December 05, 2008, 07:44 PM
    So, did you need a civil divorce too?


    Yes, it's a necessary part of an British Law.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #26 - December 05, 2008, 08:05 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on December 05, 2008, 07:46 PM
    Quote from: sojournerlumus on December 05, 2008, 07:44 PM
    So, did you need a civil divorce too?


    Yes, it's a necessary part of an British Law.


    Not for me it wasn't.  Tongue

    I only did the Islamic marriage so I only needed the talaaq part of it.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #27 - December 05, 2008, 11:13 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on December 05, 2008, 07:19 PM
    I'm going to give you a firm warning here Tut, the next time you disrespect women you will be smited, you know the rules.


    Something tells me that Tutsie needs a visit or two from some ladies like this:







  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #28 - December 06, 2008, 12:00 AM
    There is a difference between forced and arranged marriages, of course!

    My mum had a gun held to her head at the age of 15 and was forced to sign the papers, that was forced.

    My cousins asked their parents to look for a suitable spouse for them, that was arranged.
  • Re: Forced To Marry - BBC Documentary
     Reply #29 - December 06, 2008, 03:29 AM
     Of course there is a difference between arranged and forced marriages but the problem is it can be difficult for anyone outside the immediate family to tell which is which ,and the custom of arranged marriages can provide a smokescreen for a forced marriage .
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