Skip navigation
Sidebar -

Advanced search options →
↑ ↓
CEMB → Forum → Life, The Universe & Everything → Religions and Gods → Church Threatening To Make Sins Public

Welcome

Welcome to CEMB forum.
Please login or register. Did you miss your activation email?

Donations

Help keep the Forum going!
Click on Kitty to donate:

Kitty is lost

Recent Posts

What music are you listen...
by zeca
Today at 08:56 PM
New Britain
Yesterday at 10:16 AM
Do humans have needed kno...
June 04, 2025, 11:58 PM
Qur'anic studies today
by zeca
June 03, 2025, 07:33 PM
Muslim grooming gangs sti...
June 02, 2025, 09:31 PM
ماذا يحدث هذه الايام؟؟؟.
by akay
June 02, 2025, 10:25 AM
What happens in these day...
June 02, 2025, 09:27 AM
What's happened to the fo...
June 01, 2025, 10:43 AM
Lights on the way
by akay
May 26, 2025, 10:25 AM
Gaza assault
May 24, 2025, 11:55 AM
الحبيب من يشبه اكثر؟؟؟
by akay
May 19, 2025, 12:00 PM
Marcion and the introduct...
by zeca
May 17, 2025, 09:44 PM

Theme Changer

 Topic: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public

 (Read 9151 times)
  • 12 Next page « Previous thread | Next thread »
  • Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     OP - December 19, 2008, 05:18 PM
    Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
    Quote
    JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- A divorced Jacksonville woman said her former church has threatened to "go public with her sins" and tell the congregation about her sexual relationship with her new boyfriend.

    Rebecca Hancock said harassment from Grace Community Church in Mandarin over her sex life caused her to leave, but she said that didn't put an end to the problem. She said she received a letter from the church's elders telling her the church plans to make her personal life very public.

    "I'm basically run out. I'm the church harlot," Hancock said.

    The 49-year-old said she has been dating a man for a while and she said members of the congregation at Grace Community Church haven't been happy about the relationship.

    "Because I have a boyfriend that I'm involved with … to not be married to that person is a sin," Hancock said.

    She said the issue caused her to leave the church. However, she said the church has not let go of her.

    The letter Hancock received from the church states that because she has refused to end her sexual relationship with her boyfriend, "you leave us with no other choice but to carry out the commands of the Lord Jesus Christ" … "In accordance with Matthew 18:17 we intend to 'tell it to the church.'"

    "On January 4, my sins will be told to the church, publicly, with my children sitting in the church and my friends," Hancock said.

    The pastor of Grace Community Church, Dr. T. Scott Christmas, told Channel 4 he had no comment.

    Pastors with whom Channel 4 spoke on Monday said announcing a sin to a congregation is not abnormal. They said it's written in the Bible to punish sinners who continue to sin.

    The difference in Hancock's case is that she has left the church, and the pastors said that's is usually where punishment ends.

    Despite the church's letter stating its biblical backing, Hancock said she has backed out of the church and they should leave her alone because she is no longer a member.

    "I am a Christian, and that will never change. My relationship with Jesus has to do with me and Jesus, and he knows my heart," Hancock said.

    The book of Matthew does have three steps that the church talked about in taking action against a member who is in sin.

    Hancock said she is now attending a different church, and said she is planning to send a letter to Grace Community Church to make sure it's understood that she no longer a member.


     finmad finmad
    I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #1 - December 19, 2008, 06:07 PM
    Quote
    "On January 4, my sins will be told to the church, publicly, with my children sitting in the church and my friends," Hancock said.


    Why will her children be sitting at the church during the expose if she herself has left it?  wacko

    Anyway, what else did she expect from religion? 
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #2 - December 19, 2008, 06:23 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on December 19, 2008, 06:07 PM
    Why will her children be sitting at the church during the expose if she herself has left it?  wacko

    Well its her new boyfriend, so its possible she has a husband/ex-husband who goes to the church who takes them.

    This is strange; I've never heard of anything like this happening in any christian church I was forced to go to (and I went to heaps of different denominations). What nuts.
    WikiIslam
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #3 - December 19, 2008, 07:23 PM
    At my grandmother's church the pastor (woman) was having an affair with one of the congregants husbands. They got married and still go there, although she's no longer pastor.
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #4 - December 20, 2008, 09:30 AM
    Quote from: Anti-Jihadist on December 19, 2008, 05:18 PM
    Church Threatening To Make Sins Public


    Well the bible does say somewhere in 1 Timothy:

    Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

    So what this church is doing is in full concordance with the recommendation from the bible. So why shouldn't they?

    Those that sin should be humiliated publicly before everyone. This is to ensure you put fear into others so that they will not go and commit sin.

    One way of keeping the congregation within the shackles of the ideology I suppose.
    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #5 - December 20, 2008, 10:02 AM
    Quote from: a.ghazali on December 20, 2008, 09:30 AM
    Quote from: Anti-Jihadist on December 19, 2008, 05:18 PM
    Church Threatening To Make Sins Public


    Well the bible does say somewhere in 1 Timothy:

    Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

    So what this church is doing is in full concordance with the recommendation from the bible. So why shouldn't they?

    Those that sin should be humiliated publicly before everyone. This is to ensure you put fear into others so that they will not go and commit sin.

    One way of keeping the congregation within the shackles of the ideology I suppose.


    I would really recommend that you start actually reading the bible before you quote from it.  And I see you still haven't moved beyond the KJV.

    The passage is talking about the leadership of the church.  That is the 'them'.

    1 Tim 5:19-20
    19 Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses. 20 Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning
    NASU
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #6 - December 20, 2008, 10:49 AM
    Bugger the bible. It's complete bull from cover to cover. If you spend your life quoting it your brain turns to mush.
    Get yourself an up to date education in the modern Sciences, because anyone who hasn't  got one can be fairly described as ignorant. I don't mean that in the perjorative sense, but literally.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #7 - December 20, 2008, 11:06 AM
    In any case what is this bloody NASU version? It sure isn't on the NASU website that Google brings up.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #8 - December 20, 2008, 01:19 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on December 20, 2008, 11:06 AM
    In any case what is this bloody NASU version? It sure isn't on the NASU website that Google brings up.


    That is the New American Standard Bible.

    A version that is moderate with much of the embarassing stuff glossed over with flowery words.

    Most people still use the King James Version and its what was used for the last 400 years and guided the church all these years.

    However according to Sparky it's no longer accurate and the new updated New American version is the be all and end all of God's New word.

    Its a shame people for the last 2000 years misunderstood the bible because of supposedly a bad translation.

    But I checked another couple translations of the 2 verses and we have:

    The Message Bible
    19 Don't listen to a complaint against a leader that isn't backed up by two or three responsible witnesses.
    20 If anyone falls into sin, call that person on the carpet. Those who are inclined that way will know right off they can't get by with it.


    New Living Translation
    19 Do not listen to an accusation against an elder unless it is confirmed by two or three witnesses.
    20 Those who sin should be reprimanded in front of the whole church; this will serve as a strong warning to others.

    So basically depending on which bible this church uses, then they can interpret the verse and justify their action.

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #9 - December 20, 2008, 01:34 PM
    I figured it'd be a new US translation. I was just wondering where I could find the thing in case I wanted to reference it at any point. I assume it's had all the pissing against walls removed. Cheesy

    As for the KJV, I wouldn't say that "most" people still use it. For a start you can forget about the Catholics since the KJV was published by the Church of England well after the split. Then there's the Orthodox and Coptic churches, etc and that's before you even start on how many Protestants use English often enough to even be interested in the KJV.

    The KJV has been the standard English, Protestant translation for centuries but that doesn't necessarily make it globally dominant or definitively accurate. Wink
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #10 - December 20, 2008, 08:13 PM
    Quote from: a.ghazali
    That is the New American Standard Bible.

    A version that is moderate with much of the embarassing stuff glossed over with flowery words.


    No, just a translation that takes account of manuscripts that have been discovered in the last 400 years and uses modern English.  There are many others you might choose.

    Quote from: a.ghazali
    Most people still use the King James Version and its what was used for the last 400 years and guided the church all these years.

     

    Actually no, the biggest selling version in the 20th C has been the New International Version.  The KJV remains popular with some and a select few think that it was actually authorised by God rather than just King James.

    Oh, and the KJV remains popular with atheist skeptics who like Christianity to sound more old, antiquated and generally out of touch.

    Quote from: a.ghazali
    However according to Sparky it's no longer accurate and the new updated New American version is the be all and end all of God's New word.


    I see you have progressed to outright lying now.  I'm not an expert but the NASB has been recommended to me as a good translation.  It is probably a bit less readable because it aims to render words as closely as possible.  You're welcome to pick any other you prefer.

    Quote from: a.ghazali
    Its a shame people for the last 2000 years misunderstood the bible because of supposedly a bad translation.


    It wasn't a bad translation, they just didn't have access to the more recently discovered manuscripts.   They also spoke an English which is not in common use now.  That's why people who insist on using the KJV end up making the type of howlers that we have been seeing from you.

    Quote from: a.ghazali
    The Message Bible
    19 Don't listen to a complaint against a leader that isn't backed up by two or three responsible witnesses.
    20 If anyone falls into sin, call that person on the carpet. Those who are inclined that way will know right off they can't get by with it.


    The Message is a paraphrase, not a translation.  Read the intro.  Even in this case, 'if anyone' still refers to the leaders.  Otherwise you get a ridiculous reading where 'anyone' - even if they are not in the church - should get hauled up and be rebuked.  Either you pay attention to the context or you don't.

    Quote from: a.ghazali
    New Living Translation
    19 Do not listen to an accusation against an elder unless it is confirmed by two or three witnesses.
    20 Those who sin should be reprimanded in front of the whole church; this will serve as a strong warning to others.

    Which is pretty much the same.

    Quote from: a.ghazali
    So basically depending on which bible this church uses, then they can interpret the verse and justify their action.


    Sure they could.  Just like you are doing.
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #11 - December 21, 2008, 09:27 AM
    I dont think the problem is which particular version of the bible this congregaton is using thats the problem, rather its the holier-than-thou self-righteous attitude which unfortunately some religious people have which makes them feel justified in abusing those people who they regard as 'sinners'.
    Life is a sexually transmitted disease which is invariably fatal.
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #12 - December 21, 2008, 09:29 AM
    Quote from: Iris on December 21, 2008, 09:27 AM
    I dont think the problem is which particular version of the bible this congregaton is using thats the problem, rather its the holier-than-thou self-righteous attitude which unfortunately some religious people have which makes them feel justified in abusing those people who they regard as 'sinners'.


    Oh, believe you me... that attitude can be found just as much amongst the irreligious.
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #13 - December 21, 2008, 09:32 AM
    Quote from: diotima on December 21, 2008, 09:29 AM
    Quote from: Iris on December 21, 2008, 09:27 AM
    I dont think the problem is which particular version of the bible this congregaton is using thats the problem, rather its the holier-than-thou self-righteous attitude which unfortunately some religious people have which makes them feel justified in abusing those people who they regard as 'sinners'.


    Oh, believe you me... that attitude can be found just as much amongst the irreligious.


    Yep, militant atheists for one lol  Cheesy
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #14 - December 21, 2008, 09:35 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on December 21, 2008, 09:32 AM
    Quote from: diotima on December 21, 2008, 09:29 AM
    Quote from: Iris on December 21, 2008, 09:27 AM
    I dont think the problem is which particular version of the bible this congregaton is using thats the problem, rather its the holier-than-thou self-righteous attitude which unfortunately some religious people have which makes them feel justified in abusing those people who they regard as 'sinners'.


    Oh, believe you me... that attitude can be found just as much amongst the irreligious.


    Yep, militant atheists for one lol  Cheesy


    Yep, Furthermore I was thinking of things like self-criticism tribunals in stalinist russia, or maoist china... and neighbourly tongue-wagging doesn?t depend on religious affiliation, either, does it?
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #15 - December 21, 2008, 09:36 AM
    All true, but on the other hand in this particular case it does depend upon religious affiliation.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #16 - December 21, 2008, 09:37 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on December 21, 2008, 09:36 AM
    All true, but on the other hand in this particular case it does depend upon religious affiliation.


    the content, Os - not the frame of mind, which is what is reprehensible.
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #17 - December 21, 2008, 09:38 AM
    Quote from: diotima on December 21, 2008, 09:35 AM

    Yep, Furthermore I was thinking of things like self-criticism tribunals in stalinist russia, or maoist china... and neighbourly tongue-wagging doesn?t depend on religious affiliation, either, does it?


    No it doesn't, an irreligious woman I met recently is living proof that tongue wagging holier than though attitudes are not strictly the domain of the religious, merely of personality types.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #18 - December 21, 2008, 09:59 AM
    Tongue wagging?
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #19 - December 21, 2008, 10:01 AM
    Quote from: awais on December 21, 2008, 09:59 AM
    Tongue wagging?


    Gossiping about other people's private business.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #20 - December 21, 2008, 11:01 AM
    I guess its human nature, I'm ashamed to say that I am sometimes guilty of it myself, and its usually about something that I feel insecure about myself - as if by condemning other people's behaviour I reassure myself that I'm really not that bad, that I still have standards!
    I do think though that something about religion often reinforces such behaviour - maybe its the idea of having an absolute moral code handed down from a heavenly authority figure or written down in a book that makes people see things in black and white , and makes them feel that so long as they are broadly in agreement with the book they must be okay and thus have the right to condemn those who dont live up to the  moral code in some way.  But on the other hand you have the 'judge not lest ye be judged'  types as well, who express their religiosity through charity and service.  Perhaps what you make of religion depends largely on the kind of person you are.
    Life is a sexually transmitted disease which is invariably fatal.
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #21 - December 21, 2008, 11:10 AM
    we all have good and bad in us. our choice of religion feeds one or the other, I would say - but it?s a case of interacting - there are always ways to twist anything, lie to ourselves about anything.
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #22 - December 21, 2008, 11:56 AM
    Quote from: Iris on December 21, 2008, 11:01 AM
    I guess its human nature, I'm ashamed to say that I am sometimes guilty of it myself, and its usually about something that I feel insecure about myself - as if by condemning other people's behaviour I reassure myself that I'm really not that bad, that I still have standards!
    I do think though that something about religion often reinforces such behaviour - maybe its the idea of having an absolute moral code handed down from a heavenly authority figure or written down in a book that makes people see things in black and white , and makes them feel that so long as they are broadly in agreement with the book they must be okay and thus have the right to condemn those who dont live up to the  moral code in some way.  But on the other hand you have the 'judge not lest ye be judged'  types as well, who express their religiosity through charity and service.  Perhaps what you make of religion depends largely on the kind of person you are.


    Well said.  Although it seems that what you believe has the power to change who you are as well...

    I do find it ironic that while Jesus most scathing criticism was for the Pharisees, you tend to find so many pharisees in the church. I don't really know how anyone can look at Jesus' moral code, compare it to themselves, and decide that they are 'broadly in agreement'.

    But perhaps the greatest irony is in the thought 'I would never judge someone else like that!'...
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #23 - December 21, 2008, 10:00 PM
    Did she refuse to repent of her sin?
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #24 - December 21, 2008, 10:05 PM
    Are you saying the congregation of the church in question are without sin and therefore qualified to cast stones?
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #25 - December 21, 2008, 10:08 PM
    Quote
    "Because I have a boyfriend that I'm involved with ? to not be married to that person is a sin," Hancock said.


    She uses the present tense Shaneequa, so no I don't think she has repented of the so called 'sin" of having a boyfriend.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #26 - December 21, 2008, 10:37 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on December 21, 2008, 10:05 PM
    Are you saying the congregation of the church in question are without sin and therefore qualified to cast stones?


    Nope. I'm not saying that at all...not even close.
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #27 - December 21, 2008, 10:48 PM
    P.S. I'm not allowed to preach any more, because the bible says a woman is not allowed to preach.
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #28 - December 21, 2008, 11:02 PM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on December 21, 2008, 10:37 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on December 21, 2008, 10:05 PM
    Are you saying the congregation of the church in question are without sin and therefore qualified to cast stones?


    Nope. I'm not saying that at all...not even close.

    Well then, why should their actions be dependent on her repentance?
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Church Threatening To Make Sins Public
     Reply #29 - December 21, 2008, 11:03 PM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on December 21, 2008, 10:48 PM
    P.S. I'm not allowed to preach any more, because the bible says a woman is not allowed to preach.

    Early Christianity quite often had female priests. Even female bishops. They were only banned later.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • 12 Next page « Previous thread | Next thread »