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  • 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     OP - December 20, 2008, 02:02 PM

    Skynews, December 19, 2008


    A leading human rights organisation in Russia says racist groups in the country are becoming more radicalised.

    Sova, a hate-crime monitoring centre, says neo-Nazi gangs are now borrowing tactics from Islamic extremists as they try to incite a 'holy racial war'.

    Two migrant workers have been beheaded, al Qaeda style, in the last 18 months.

    The most recent victim was Salakhetdin Azizov.

    The 20-year-old market worker from Tajikistan was attacked as he walked home across a stretch of wasteland in South Moscow.

    He was stabbed several times. His body was then dragged into nearby woodland where he was decapitated.

     
    Radicals on the march

    Authorities were alerted to the murder after an e-mail was sent to Sova. It contained a photograph of the severed head.

    The group claiming responsibility, the Militant Organization of Russian Nationalists, also made a number of political demands.

    It warned officials that they would also be attacked if draconian immigration laws were not introduced.

    The beheading, though, seems to be part of a disturbing new trend.

    Last year, a group of Russian neo-Nazis kidnapped and murdered two migrant workers.

    They filmed their brutality and posted it on the internet.

    One of the men is beheaded with what appears to be a butcher knife. As the blade starts cutting you can hear that he is still alive.

    The second man is made to kneel in a freshly dug grave. He is then shot in the head.


     
    Skinhead gang in court

    The sequence ends with two men wearing balaclavas giving Nazi salutes - glorifying their killings for other like-minded groups.

    Racist murders are not unusual in Russia but these attacks stand out, not only for their sheer cruelty but also because of the groups' strong political messages.

    Sova says there have been more than 80 racist murders in Russia this year alone.

    The problem is getting worse as ethnic minorities, particularly from Central Asia, flock to Russia to escape the poverty of their homelands.

    Social tensions are exacerbated by a rising tide of ethnic nationalism which is endorsed and even inflamed by mainstream politicians.

    The director of Sova, Alexander Verkhovsky, says xenophobic views are now very common in Russia.

    "Too many people in the 1990s had to look for some universal explanation instead of Communist ideology, and ethnic nationalism was a good universal explanation.

    "That is why it was chosen by many people. It even influenced education and therefore it is natural there are several thousand radicals willing to carry out acts of violence," he said.

    Earlier this week, a gang of teenage skinheads was convicted in a Moscow court for the killing of 20 migrant workers.

    They filmed the attacks on mobile phones and posted the footage on the internet - online trophies for racists in the digital age.

    Article: Russia's Racists On The Rise After Series Of Beheadings

    "By the One in Whose Hand my soul is, were you not to commit sins, Allah would replace you with a people who would commit sins and then seek forgiveness from Allah; and Allah would forgive them." [Saheeh Muslim]

    "Wherever you are, death will find you, Even in the looming tower."
    - Quran 4:78
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #1 - December 20, 2008, 02:43 PM

    Ah well at least Muslims did it first!

    But seriously, if it is true that Sova said that these tactics are borrowed from 'Islamic extremists' then that's disappointing. The victims in these attacks are mostly Muslims - or should I say post-Soviet people of Muslim heritage - from Central Asia and the Caucasus.

    Haaretz reported the same story over a year ago and Time quoted some Rus bonehead back in 2004 as saying that his racist gang was the "white man's al-Qaeda".

    Quote
    Дружбы народов надёжный оплот!

     Ahh Marxism Leninism. It was the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it was the spirit of a spiritless situation. It was the opium of the people; and utlimately another disappointing crock of bullshit.

    In any case it was long before al-Qaeda was a shiver in Zawahiri's scrote that a Ukrainian named Ben Klassen coined the term RaHoWa and it was not a response to any jihad. That being said, a newer breed of nutjob seeks to combine jihad and RaHoWa. What a wonderful world Smiley


    The language of the mob was only the language of public opinion cleansed of hypocrisy and restraint - Hannah Arendt.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #2 - December 20, 2008, 07:23 PM

    Nasty stuff. You can always rely on "nationalists". Roll Eyes  What is particularly stupid about this is Russian "nationalists" (ie: fucking idiots)  giving Nazi salutes in their recordings of these killings. The Nazis viewed Russians as being only good for slaves. In fact "Slav" is the origin of the English word "slave", so the association certainly isn't new and from memory dates back to Roman times.

    So you have twits supposedly dedicated to the greater glory of Mother Russia adopting the salute of an organisation that would have enslaved them if given half a chance. Once again I'm reminded of one of my favourite quotes: "Why is it that white supremacists are always a self-defeating argument?"

    Also what Sova says about the situation being inflamed by mainstream politicians is very much true. This may not have been the intended outcome, although I doubt that Putin and many others really give a fuck, but the promotion of a rather nasty version of nationalism has certainly been one of the tactics of Putin.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #3 - December 30, 2008, 07:24 PM

    Nasty stuff. You can always rely on "nationalists". Roll Eyes  What is particularly stupid about this is Russian "nationalists" (ie: fucking idiots)  giving Nazi salutes in their recordings of these killings. The Nazis viewed Russians as being only good for slaves. In fact "Slav" is the origin of the English word "slave", so the association certainly isn't new and from memory dates back to Roman times.

    So you have twits supposedly dedicated to the greater glory of Mother Russia adopting the salute of an organisation that would have enslaved them if given half a chance. Once again I'm reminded of one of my favourite quotes: "Why is it that white supremacists are always a self-defeating argument?"

    Also what Sova says about the situation being inflamed by mainstream politicians is very much true. This may not have been the intended outcome, although I doubt that Putin and many others really give a fuck, but the promotion of a rather nasty version of nationalism has certainly been one of the tactics of Putin.


    The poor guy was probably just trying to eke out a living.

    But muslims should remember that sooner or later they will reap what they sow.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #4 - December 30, 2008, 11:37 PM

    So what had this particular person sown?

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #5 - December 31, 2008, 12:48 AM

    So what had this particular person sown?


    That's the tragedy of this story.  As far as I know, that particular person has done nothing to make him deserve what he got.

    I was giving him the benefit of the doubt by suggesting that the poor guy was probably just trying to eke out a living.

    Sadly, because of the ignorant and barbaric ways that really true muslims behave, there will be others who will be victims of events they do not deserve.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #6 - December 31, 2008, 05:16 AM

    Hmmm...the way true Muslims behave huh?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4737468.stm

    And I suppose the Blacks that are killed by Russian Nazis also have Muslims to blame - even if they're Christians. And the Chinese too I bet.


    The language of the mob was only the language of public opinion cleansed of hypocrisy and restraint - Hannah Arendt.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #7 - December 31, 2008, 09:59 AM



    The poor guy was probably just trying to eke out a living.

    But muslims should remember that sooner or later they will reap what they sow.


    How in the hell did you manage to change this to "muslims will reap what they sow"?

    Foreigners are being killed in racist attacks under the influence of neo naizism and you somehow find a way to say that muslims are merely getting back what they sow?

    I will say it, you have proven yourself to be a bigot at this forum.  You would be much better suited somewhere else, like Jihadwatch, where blaming muslims for everything is the game of the day.  Roll Eyes

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #8 - December 31, 2008, 05:44 PM

    So what had this particular person sown?


    That's the tragedy of this story.  As far as I know, that particular person has done nothing to make him deserve what he got.

    I was giving him the benefit of the doubt by suggesting that the poor guy was probably just trying to eke out a living.

    Sadly, because of the ignorant and barbaric ways that really true muslims behave, there will be others who will be victims of events they do not deserve.

    So, let's get this straight: You were giving a migrant worker 'the benefit of the doubt' even though you thought he was a muslim
    You are obviously very young or else very callous and ill-informed. Ignorance and barbarism come in many forms.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #9 - December 31, 2008, 06:15 PM

    So what had this particular person sown?


    That's the tragedy of this story.  As far as I know, that particular person has done nothing to make him deserve what he got.

    I was giving him the benefit of the doubt by suggesting that the poor guy was probably just trying to eke out a living.

    Sadly, because of the ignorant and barbaric ways that really true muslims behave, there will be others who will be victims of events they do not deserve.

    So, let's get this straight: You were giving a migrant worker 'the benefit of the doubt' even though you thought he was a muslim
    You are obviously very young or else very callous and ill-informed. Ignorance and barbarism come in many forms.


    You are suggesting that I am some way advocating murder?

    I have never said any such thing, and I find the inference offensive.

    I am giving that poor guy the benefit of any doubt that may exist because I know of no information that would suggest that he, on a personal level, provoked anybody.  He probably was muslim, but that is not the point either.

    When I mentioned that muslims reap what they sow, I was making a veiled reference to Beslan.  Russians have are right to be pissed about that, and that poor guy's murder may or may not have been a reaction to that.  If it was, it does not justify it.  It just seems to be the way it is.  It doesn't mean I like it.

    The point is this.  When barbarity occurs in one place, barbarity will inevitably occur as a reaction (somewhere, sometime).  I am not trying to justify it.  Sadly, it just seems to happen.  Those children in Beslan didn't deserve to die, and I seriously doubt that this migrant worker did anything to deserve to be killed.

    Don't put words into my mouth.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #10 - December 31, 2008, 06:25 PM



    Don't put words into my mouth.


    We don't need to, you're doing that all by yourself.  Afro

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #11 - December 31, 2008, 06:28 PM



    Don't put words into my mouth.


    We don't need to, you're doing that all by yourself.  Afro


    Really?

    Show me where I have advocated murder.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #12 - December 31, 2008, 06:29 PM



    Really?

    Show me where I have advocated murder.


    Ahh, playing dumb I see.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #13 - December 31, 2008, 06:34 PM

    Quote
    The point is this.  When barbarity occurs in one place, barbarity will inevitably occur as a reaction (somewhere, sometime).  I am not trying to justify it.


    Ah I see. So you're arguing like the Muslim extremists who excuse killing civillians by saying it's because of civillians being killed in Chechnya, Gaza, Lebanon, Kashmir, Burma, Thailand, the Philippines, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

    Glad we cleared that up then.

    The language of the mob was only the language of public opinion cleansed of hypocrisy and restraint - Hannah Arendt.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #14 - December 31, 2008, 06:35 PM

    Quote
    The point is this.  When barbarity occurs in one place, barbarity will inevitably occur as a reaction (somewhere, sometime).  I am not trying to justify it.


    Ah I see. So you're arguing like the Muslim extremists who excuse killing civillians by saying it's because of civillians being killed in Chechnya, Gaza, Lebanon, Kashmir, Burma, Thailand, the Philippines, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

    Glad we cleared that up then.


    Oooo good point  Afro PWNED.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #15 - December 31, 2008, 06:37 PM

    Quote
    When I mentioned that muslims reap what they sow, I was making a veiled reference to Beslan.  Russians have are right to be pissed about that, and that poor guy's murder may or may not have been a reaction to that.


    Chechens have a right to be pissed about the atrocities committed against them by the Russians.  The murder of those poor people at Beslan may or may not have been a reaction to that.  Russians can also reap what they sow.

    How does that sound to you?

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #16 - December 31, 2008, 06:40 PM



    Really?

    Show me where I have advocated murder.


    Ahh, playing dumb I see.




    If you could show me where I have advocated murder, you would undoubtedly do it, but you can't, because I didn't.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #17 - December 31, 2008, 06:43 PM

    Quote
    When I mentioned that muslims reap what they sow, I was making a veiled reference to Beslan.  Russians have are right to be pissed about that, and that poor guy's murder may or may not have been a reaction to that.


    Chechens have a right to be pissed about the atrocities committed against them by the Russians.  The murder of those poor people at Beslan may or may not have been a reaction to that.  Russians can also reap what they sow.

    How does that sound to you?


    Absoulutely true.

    How many did Stalin and his henchman kill?  Will be ever know for sure?

    This shit just keeps going round and round, doesn't it?  That is what I am trying to say.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #18 - December 31, 2008, 06:45 PM

    Well, if you're trying to condemn a cycle of violence, you should just say so, instead of reacting to a horrible, racist murder with a phrase like 'muslims will reap what they sow'. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #19 - December 31, 2008, 06:50 PM

    Well, if you're trying to condemn a cycle of violence, you should just say so, instead of reacting to a horrible, racist murder with a phrase like 'muslims will reap what they sow'. 


    It sounds to me like the murder was motivated based on the guy's religion, and not his race. 
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #20 - December 31, 2008, 06:52 PM

    Well, if you're trying to condemn a cycle of violence, you should just say so, instead of reacting to a horrible, racist murder with a phrase like 'muslims will reap what they sow'. 


    It sounds to me like the murder was motivated based on the guy's religion, and not his race. 


    Based on what?  He was a migrant worker, a foreigner,  killed by a group which demands draconian immigration controls to stop foreigners coming into Russia.  Sounds like a racist murder to me.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #21 - December 31, 2008, 06:56 PM



    If you could show me where I have advocated murder, you would undoubtedly do it, but you can't, because I didn't.


    See what makes me know you are playing dumb is the fact that this thread has nothing to do with the accusation of advocating murder, nor did it have anything to do with me,  you are bringing a seperate issue to try to mask what I am accusing you of, which is blatant bigotry.

    What was it again "muslims reap what the sow".  Roll Eyes

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #22 - December 31, 2008, 07:19 PM



    If you could show me where I have advocated murder, you would undoubtedly do it, but you can't, because I didn't.


    See what makes me know you are playing dumb is the fact that this thread has nothing to do with the accusation of advocating murder, nor did it have anything to do with me,  you are bringing a seperate issue to try to mask what I am accusing you of, which is blatant bigotry.

    What was it again "muslims reap what the sow".  Roll Eyes


    Yes....they do....just like Nazis, Bolsheviks, the KKK, South American Tribal Head hunters, etc etc. etc all reap what they sow, and then all sorts of innocents get caught in the crossfire.

    Like in Dresden.

    They all killed in the name of their ideologies, just like muslim invaders of India murdered (according to some historians) millions of hindus in the name of their islamic ideology. 

    Does my reference to Nazis, Bolsehviks, and the KKK make me a bigot too? 

    This is a pretty shitty world sometimes, and just about any ethnic or religious group you can name have done shitty things, and yes, they all reap what they sow.

  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #23 - December 31, 2008, 09:09 PM



    Really?

    Show me where I have advocated murder.


    Ahh, playing dumb I see.



    In all fairness Gallego has not advocated murder in this thread. The whole "benefit of the doubt, etc" business is not exactly enlightened but he has not advocated murder, at least not in this thread.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #24 - December 31, 2008, 09:13 PM



    Really?

    Show me where I have advocated murder.


    Ahh, playing dumb I see.



    In all fairness Gallego has not advocated murder in this thread. The whole "benefit of the doubt, etc" business is not exactly enlightened but he has not advocated murder, at least not in this thread.


    I never said he did though, so I didn't need to point it out anywhere, which is why I said what I said.  Wink

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #25 - December 31, 2008, 09:18 PM



    Really?

    Show me where I have advocated murder.


    Ahh, playing dumb I see.



    In all fairness Gallego has not advocated murder in this thread. The whole "benefit of the doubt, etc" business is not exactly enlightened but he has not advocated murder, at least not in this thread.

    He's  the one who brought up the subject of 'advocation of murder' in the first place.



    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #26 - December 31, 2008, 09:19 PM

    Re-read the thread and you have a point. Gallego, you brought up a straw man. Nobody accused you of directly advocating murder. You invented that one.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #27 - December 31, 2008, 09:21 PM

    Re-read the thread and you have a point. Gallego, you brought up a straw man. Nobody accused you of directly advocating murder. You invented that one.


    See aloofandbored0 lol now where is my grovelling apology.  Tongue

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #28 - December 31, 2008, 09:24 PM

    He's the one who brought up the subject of 'advocation of murder' apropos of nothing that warranted it. See his reply on #9.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: 2 migrant workers beheaded in Moscow
     Reply #29 - January 02, 2009, 10:03 PM



    The poor guy was probably just trying to eke out a living.

    But muslims should remember that sooner or later they will reap what they sow.


    How in the hell did you manage to change this to "muslims will reap what they sow"?

    Foreigners are being killed in racist attacks under the influence of neo naizism and you somehow find a way to say that muslims are merely getting back what they sow?

    I will say it, you have proven yourself to be a bigot at this forum.  You would be much better suited somewhere else, like Jihadwatch, where blaming muslims for everything is the game of the day.  Roll Eyes


    Actually, based on this reponse by Berberella, I took it as a "suggestion" that perhaps I thought the murder of that guy was OK.

    i.e. 
    "Foreigners are being killed in racist attacks under the influence of neo naizism and you somehow find a way to say that muslims are merely getting back what they sow?"

    Her words, not mine.

    And she still seems to think I am a bigot.  I have asked her to provide any racist or sexist remark that I have made, and she has not done so.
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