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  • Pope accused of stoking homophobia; equates homosexuality to climate change
     OP - December 23, 2008, 06:12 AM

    Source: The Times

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    Pope Benedict was accused of stoking homophobia today after a speech in which he declared that saving humanity from homosexuality was just as important as saving the rainforest from destruction.

    The Pontiff made the remarks yesterday in an end-of-year address to the Curia, the Vatican's central administration. He said that humanity needed to listen to the ?language of creation? to understand the intended roles of man and woman and behaviour beyond traditional heterosexual relations was a ?destruction of God?s work?.

    ?The tropical forests do deserve our protection. But man, as a creature, does not deserve any less," Benedict told scores of prelates gathered in the Vatican's Clementine Hall.

    "What?s needed is something like a ?human ecology,? understood in the right sense. It?s not simply an outdated metaphysics if the Church speaks of the nature of the human person as man and woman, and asks that this order of creation be respected.?

    It is not the first time that Benedict has used the Curia speech to throw out a controversial idea ? two years ago he complained that Islam had yet to learn the lessons of the Enlightenment ? but the comments were quickly denounced by gay and lesbian groups, both inside and outside the Church.

    The Rev Sharon Ferguson, chief executive of the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement, described Benedict's comments as ?totally irresponsible and unacceptable in any shape or form.?

    She said: ?It is more the case that we need to be saved from his comments. It is comments like that that justify homophobic bullying that goes on in schools and it is comments like that that justify gay-bashing.

    ?There are still so many instances of people being killed around the world, including in Western society, purely and simply because of their sexual orientation or their gender identity.

    ?When you have religious leaders like that making that sort of statement then followers feel they are justified in behaving in an aggressive and violent way because they feel that they are doing God?s work in ridding the world of these people.?

    Pam Spaulding, a leading lesbian blogger from the United States, was even more direct: "The Prada Papa Ratzi opens his trap again, and the homophobia stinks like trash piled up during a NYC garbage strike."

    The Catholic Church teaches that while homosexuality is not sinful, homosexual acts are. It opposes gay marriage and, in October, a leading Vatican official called homosexuality ?a deviation, an irregularity, a wound?.

    Benedict's speech was also seen, however, as a denunciation of "gender theory" ? the study of how gender assignments affects the behaviour of individuals. The Catholic Church has repeatedly spoken out against gender theory, which gay and transsexual groups promote as a key to understanding and tolerance.

    ?That which is often expressed and understood by the term ?gender? in the end amounts to the self-emancipation of the human person from creation and from the Creator," the Pope said.

    "Human beings want to do everything by themselves, and to control exclusively everything that regards them. But in this way, the human person lives against the truth, against the Creator Spirit.?


    Whilst I don't agree with the Catholic position on homosexuality (or many of their other views on sex) I'm not sure exactly what many Gay and Lesbian groups expect the Pope, as the cheif spokesman of Catholicism, to say on the subject that isn't going to offend them.  The Catholic church's position is pretty clear on the subject and his comments should not come as a surprise.

    Regards,
    Gonzo

    "The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles" - Ayn Rand
  • Re: Pope accused of stoking homophobia; equates homosexuality to climate change
     Reply #1 - December 23, 2008, 06:18 AM

    If they're accusing him of stoking homophobia I'd say that's a perfectly justifiable accusation. He sure isn't doing anything to reduce it. Some other churches are more enlightened in their attitudes (and about bloody time too) so I see no real reason to be unduly sympathetic to the Pope and his cronies. 

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  • Re: Pope accused of stoking homophobia; equates homosexuality to climate change
     Reply #2 - December 23, 2008, 06:25 AM

    It isn't so much sympathy for the pope, as incredulity at the fact many are surprised by his views - enough to make it newsworthy.

    Regards,
    Gonzo

    "The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles" - Ayn Rand
  • Re: Pope accused of stoking homophobia; equates homosexuality to climate change
     Reply #3 - December 23, 2008, 06:36 AM

    Where does it say they're incredulous? All it says is they're condemning his statements.

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  • Re: Pope accused of stoking homophobia; equates homosexuality to climate change
     Reply #4 - December 23, 2008, 06:39 AM

    So they not only want the freedom to do whatever they want (which they have), they also need to be told "it?s fine". Sod that.
  • Re: Pope accused of stoking homophobia; equates homosexuality to climate change
     Reply #5 - December 23, 2008, 06:43 AM

    All they're saying is that they think his statements should be condemned. They have as much right to say that as he has to make the statements.

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  • Re: Pope accused of stoking homophobia; equates homosexuality to climate change
     Reply #6 - December 23, 2008, 06:49 AM

    Where does it say they're incredulous? All it says is they're condemning his statements.


    It doesn't, I was the incredulous one.

    "The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles" - Ayn Rand
  • Re: Pope accused of stoking homophobia; equates homosexuality to climate change
     Reply #7 - December 23, 2008, 03:44 PM

    I'd like to see the Pope preach a bit more about tolerance towards gay people.  Plenty of room within Catholic teachings to do it, as their belief is that there is nothing sinful about being gay - it is the practise of it which is sinful. 

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  • Re: Pope accused of stoking homophobia; equates homosexuality to climate change
     Reply #8 - December 23, 2008, 03:49 PM

    He could also preach about hating the sin but loving the sinner. Even though it is a particularly nauseating doctrine (since the sins are invented by the person doing the preaching) it is still a lot better than not "loving the sinner".

    He could, without contravening Catholic dogma, make a speech about how even if someone is right into being homosexual they should not be discriminated against in any way. Bet he wont, though.

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  • Re: Pope accused of stoking homophobia; equates homosexuality to climate change
     Reply #9 - December 23, 2008, 04:02 PM

    Well, a perusal of the usual papal bull brings to mind the usual ponderings. If the creation is a complete and utter phantasmagoria and the pope's never had sex anyway (so he says, and bashing your bishop does count and you can burn in hell for that anyway, or go blind or something, I just forget exactly what), why should anyone with  the usual complement of grey material pay any heed?

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Pope accused of stoking homophobia; equates homosexuality to climate change
     Reply #10 - December 23, 2008, 04:05 PM

    Ah yes, there is that.

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  • Re: Pope accused of stoking homophobia; equates homosexuality to climate change
     Reply #11 - December 23, 2008, 04:40 PM

    Yup, he has alot to say about something he knows fuck all about.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
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