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 Topic: Superman's critique on the human race?

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  • Superman's critique on the human race?
     OP - December 28, 2008, 11:50 AM
    I was watching kill bill last night (because I've always fallen asleep at the very end), and when Bill and Black mamba were having their last chat, he said:

    Quote
    As you know, l'm quite keen on comic books. Especially the ones about superheroes. I find the whole mythology surrounding superheroes fascinating. Take my favorite superhero, Superman. Not a great comic book. Not particularly well-drawn. But the mythology... The mythology is not only great, it's unique. Now, a staple of the superhero mythology is, there's the superhero and there's the alter ego. Batman is actually Bruce Wayne, Spider-Man is actually Peter Parker. When that character wakes up in the morning, he's Peter Parker. He has to put on a costume to become Spider-Man. And it is in that characteristic Superman stands alone. Superman didn't become Superman. Superman was born Superman. When Superman wakes up in the morning, he's Superman. His alter ego is Clark Kent. His outfit with the big red "S", that's the blanket he was wrapped in as a baby when the Kents found him. Those are his clothes. What Kent wears - the glasses, the business suit - that's the costume. That's the costume Superman wears to blend in with us. Clark Kent is how Superman views us. And what are the characteristics of Clark Kent. He's weak... he's unsure of himself... he's a coward. Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race. Sorta like Beatrix Kiddo and Mrs. Tommy Plimpton.


    And the part in bold sort of struck me as being wrong.

    I mean the whole point of Clark kent is less about fitting in, than it is about being so non descript that no one ever really remembers him, so that they can't make the connection from Kent to superman.

    I don't see it as his critique on the human race, just his critique on what it takes to hide out in the human race.

    What do you think?  wacko

    (random topic of the day No1 lol)
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  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #1 - December 28, 2008, 11:59 AM
    I'm a big fan of Superman at least Smallville.

    It case you didn't know Superman is the modern day Christ story.

  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #2 - December 28, 2008, 12:07 PM
    Quote from: speaklow on December 28, 2008, 11:59 AM
    I'm a big fan of Superman at least Smallville.


    Me too lol I've watched every episode and every movie.  I wish I was Kryptonian.

    Quote

    It case you didn't know Superman is the modern day Christ story.




    Minus the sacrifice?  interesting I had never looked at it from that angle before.
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  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #3 - December 28, 2008, 12:33 PM
    That angle was a bit overt in the preview for the last movie...
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  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #4 - December 28, 2008, 12:36 PM
    Lots of things seem to be a modern Christ story.  Narnia and the Terminator movies spring to mind.
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  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #5 - December 28, 2008, 12:43 PM
    Quote from: awais on December 28, 2008, 12:33 PM
    That angle was a bit overt in the preview for the last movie...


    Really?  I didn't see it, must be because I don't have christ on my brain.  Cheesy

    Quote from: SnowFlake on December 28, 2008, 12:36 PM
    Lots of things seem to be a modern Christ story.  Narnia and the Terminator movies spring to mind.


     wacko I'm still not seeing it, which narnia?  and how in the terminator movies?  Huh?
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  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #6 - December 28, 2008, 01:07 PM
    The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe - Aslan is Jesus in lion form.  Cheesy

    The first Terminator movie is pretty overtly Christian, an unmarried girl pregnant with the saviour of the human race. 
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  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #7 - December 28, 2008, 01:13 PM
    Quote from: SnowFlake on December 28, 2008, 01:07 PM
    The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe - Aslan is Jesus in lion form.  Cheesy

    The first Terminator movie is pretty overtly Christian, an unmarried girl pregnant with the saviour of the human race. 


    Yeah, I was thinking Aslan when you said it but couldn't be sure lol and I see what you mean with the conner baby, I got to keep remembering that you guys are talking modern Christ spins.
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  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #8 - December 28, 2008, 01:34 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on December 28, 2008, 12:43 PM
    Quote from: awais on December 28, 2008, 12:33 PM
    That angle was a bit overt in the preview for the last movie...


    Really?  I didn't see it, must be because I don't have christ on my brain.  Cheesy


    They play off the most shouted from the rooftops verse in the New Testament, John 3:16. "For God so loved the world he sent his only begotten son..."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5DMCd7hv1w

    Funny cuz he was created by Jews. Cheesy
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  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #9 - December 28, 2008, 01:38 PM
    That was such a shit film it was hard to remember anything to do with it.  Cheesy

    I prefer the originals, infact I am so bored I maye just see if I can find it online and watch it.
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  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #10 - December 29, 2008, 12:14 AM
    Quote from: SnowFlake on December 28, 2008, 12:36 PM
    Lots of things seem to be a modern Christ story.  Narnia and the Terminator movies spring to mind.

    Matrix, lord of the rings. (not that i endorse those movies)
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  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #11 - December 29, 2008, 01:34 AM
    Superman was inspired by Nietzche's Ubermensch, and that we suppress our greatness order to participate in society with its slave morality. Superman is anti-Christian.
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #12 - December 29, 2008, 10:25 PM
    Quote from: panoptic on December 29, 2008, 01:34 AM
    Superman was inspired by Nietzche's Ubermensch, and that we suppress our greatness order to participate in society with its slave morality. Superman is anti-Christian.

    But it shows how people can twist anything to support their religious views...
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  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #13 - December 30, 2008, 01:18 AM
    superman was created by some jewish kids. i don't think ubermensch is about suppressing greatness, it's about becoming better than human...
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  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #14 - December 30, 2008, 02:07 AM
    Its about a flying  man with his underpants on inside out.
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  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #15 - December 30, 2008, 02:15 AM
    Quote from: awais on December 30, 2008, 01:18 AM
    i don't think ubermensch is about suppressing greatness, it's about becoming better than human...


    or, arguably, unleashing suppressed greatness, heroic self-realisation etc.
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #16 - December 30, 2008, 03:35 AM
    Quote from: panoptic on December 29, 2008, 01:34 AM
    Superman was inspired by Nietzche's Ubermensch, and that we suppress our greatness order to participate in society with its slave morality. Superman is anti-Christian.

    That is possibly the original intention behind creating superman. The way superman morphed into our present culture, has very little to do with the original intention behind the creation of superman.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #17 - December 30, 2008, 04:15 AM
    He was originally a villainisation of Ubermensch (a concept borgeois society found offensive, even as it mirrored them, in a way), it should be said.
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #18 - December 30, 2008, 07:29 AM
    Oh, right. So a superhero working for justice and all is a villain now. Please continue. parrot
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  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #19 - December 30, 2008, 08:17 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on December 30, 2008, 07:29 AM
    Oh, right. So a superhero working for justice and all is a villain now. Please continue. parrot


    The original superman was a villain.
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  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #20 - December 30, 2008, 08:19 AM
    Really? Got a link?
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  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #21 - December 30, 2008, 08:22 AM
    http://superman.nu/seventy/reign/
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Superman's critique on the human race?
     Reply #22 - December 30, 2008, 08:27 AM
    Interesting. Thanks. Crap story though. grin12
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