Extraordinary Barbarism - Salman Rushdie in the The Times

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OP - January 04, 2009, 11:38 PM

Britain has in his view been far too complacent about the rise of extremism. ?Both Thatcher and Blair made the same mistake, which was the so-called Londonistan policy where you allow these [Islamist] groups to set up shop here in the belief that if you do that they won?t attack this country and that you can monitor them.?

Labour became much tougher on suspected terrorists after 9/11, raising concerns that civil liberties were being brushed aside. ?The War on Terror was always a terrible phrase,? says Rushdie. ?You are never going to defeat terror. But I sometimes think that liberal opinion in this country doesn?t see that there actually are enemies.

We just saw in Mumbai a demonstration of the extraordinary barbarism that people are prepared to unleash on the world. How many of these attacks do we need before we understand what?s going on??

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/article5434968.ece
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Reply #1 - January 05, 2009, 12:54 AM

When I see "Londonistan" I know it's an attack on Islam. Only people with an agenda use that word.

There is no Londonistan policy. People come here because of our freedom. I was reading an article about way Somalis with the right to stay in Holland choose to come here.

Adan Igeh Hussein (talking about life in Holland), of the Somali European Forum, said Somalis felt bullied by a "forced assimilation" policy, which orders them to live apart in scattered housing. He goes on to say, "After one year in Britain, everybody is very happy"

If you can find evidence of an official Londonistan policy to ?allow these [Islamist] groups to set up shop here? then please post it.

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Reply #2 - January 08, 2009, 11:37 PM

I don't know about a 'londonistan' policy , but there was , throughout the 1980s and 90s a policy known as 'the covenant of security' . Just as Rushdie said , this meant that the UK admitted many islamists considered dangerous by other countries , on the basis of a gentlemans agreement that they'd behave themselves whilst here , and in the belief that the security services would be better able to monitor what they were up to if they were left alone . This extended to refusing several requests from other countries for the extradition of certain individuals , including people suspected of involvement in the Paris Metro attacks
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Reply #3 - January 09, 2009, 12:59 AM

aife, please post the link to something about this "covenant of security" because I can't seem to find anything.

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Reply #4 - January 09, 2009, 01:06 AM

I just found something but it seem like it was written by a crazy racist.

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Reply #5 - January 09, 2009, 01:28 AM

https://www1.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/leedsbradford/2006/07/345039.html?c=on

There's not really a web site advertising it ... You'll find numerous references to it if you google the term plus a few related words . Here's one article from indymedia which mentions it
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Reply #6 - January 11, 2009, 05:39 AM

Londonistan is not a racist term don't be so hysterical. Londonistan was a term used by the French intelligence agency to describe Mi6's terrible policy of allowing Islamist groups to use London as a base. It's mocking the British intelligence agencies not Islam or an ethnic minority.

By the way my hard Leftist friend calls Salman Rushdie a racist. I think Rushdie is a brave man and an accomplished writer. Does anyone else think he is some kind of bigot and if so why?
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Reply #7 - January 11, 2009, 09:11 AM

Salman wrote a story, and then had a price put on his head and the head of the translators of his book. One of the translator died and some ended up in hospitals. I do not think he is a bigot, I think he is doing what he has to do.

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Reply #8 - January 11, 2009, 11:51 AM

Quote from: brucepig on January 11, 2009, 05:39 AM
By the way my hard Leftist friend calls Salman Rushdie a racist. I think Rushdie is a brave man and an accomplished writer. Does anyone else think he is some kind of bigot and if so why?

I'm sure someone here will say the same things about him as they say about Geert Wilders, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Walid Shoebat and many others. Meanwhile they couldn't hold a candle to any of these people.
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Reply #9 - January 11, 2009, 01:54 PM

Quote from: Ansar al-Zindiqi on January 11, 2009, 11:51 AM
Quote from: brucepig on January 11, 2009, 05:39 AM
By the way my hard Leftist friend calls Salman Rushdie a racist. I think Rushdie is a brave man and an accomplished writer. Does anyone else think he is some kind of bigot and if so why?

I'm sure someone here will say the same things about him as they say about Geert Wilders, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Walid Shoebat and many others. Meanwhile they couldn't hold a candle to any of these people.

Kind of a generalised insult there.

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Reply #10 - January 11, 2009, 07:47 PM

Is Salman's book any good? I might have to buy it.

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Reply #11 - January 11, 2009, 11:35 PM

I tried reading it, partly because of the controversy.
The first page seemed okay, but within 9 more he'd drowned me in metaphor and made my head spin.
My theory is that Islamists never read the book.
I'm certain that literature students who were forced to study at university suffered so much from having to decipher his writing style that they got their own back by convincing the Islamists that it was blasphemous!!
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Reply #12 - January 12, 2009, 06:17 AM

Quote from: BerberElla on January 11, 2009, 01:54 PM
Quote from: Ansar al-Zindiqi on January 11, 2009, 11:51 AM
Quote from: brucepig on January 11, 2009, 05:39 AM
By the way my hard Leftist friend calls Salman Rushdie a racist. I think Rushdie is a brave man and an accomplished writer. Does anyone else think he is some kind of bigot and if so why?

I'm sure someone here will say the same things about him as they say about Geert Wilders, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Walid Shoebat and many others. Meanwhile they couldn't hold a candle to any of these people.

Kind of a generalised insult there.

Actually, it is not an insult.

"Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
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