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  • Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     OP - January 09, 2009, 10:59 PM

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jAOv_zU_KMSFrB0Mt7QEcsO0c4vg
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    VATICAN CITY (AFP) ? The contraceptive pill is polluting the environment and is in part responsible for male infertility, a report in the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano said Saturday.

    The pill "has for some years had devastating effects on the environment by releasing tonnes of hormones into nature" through female urine, said Pedro Jose Maria Simon Castellvi, president of the International Federation of Catholic Medical Associations, in the report.

    "We have sufficient evidence to state that a non-negligible cause of male infertility in the West is the environmental pollution caused by the pill," he said, without elaborating further.

    "We are faced with a clear anti-environmental effect which demands more explanation on the part of the manufacturers," added Castellvi.

    The article was promptly dismissed by several organisations.

    "Once metabolised, the hormones contained in oral contraceptives no longer have any of the characteristic effects of feminine hormones," said Gianbenedetto Melis, vice-president of a contraceptive research association, quoted by the ANSA news agency.

    The hormones contained in the pill such as oestrogen "are present everywhere... in plastic, in disinfectants, in meat that we eat," added Flavia Franconi, of the Society of Italian Pharmacology.

    Pope Benedict XVI in October reaffirmed the Roman Catholic Church's condemnation of artificial birth control.

    Contraception "means negating the intimate truth of conjugal love, with which the divine gift (of life) is communicated," the leader of the world's 1.1 billion Roman Catholics wrote on the 40th anniversary of a papal encyclical on the topic.

    An encyclical is a letter usually treating some aspect of Catholic doctrine and issued occasionally by the pope.

    The landmark document, whose title in English is "On the Regulation of Birth", was published at a time when the development of the Pill was giving new sexual freedom to women across the world.

    Millions of Catholics distanced themselves from Rome as a result.


    Hey ladies! - The Lord Geezuz prohibits you to pee!!!!


    I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #1 - January 10, 2009, 12:52 AM

    Goddamnit, when is this idiot going to retire.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #2 - January 10, 2009, 04:19 AM

    I proudly admit I am a contributor to male infertility then.  whistling2 Tough shit.  Roll Eyes

    Dumbass.
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #3 - January 10, 2009, 05:44 AM

    umm.. this shit is serious, i've seen other reports (before the vatican) that this is happening, and could affect us human males. it's already fucking with lower species, decreasing the number of males born, and their potency, if any, them being born hermaphrodites. scary shit.

    i'll look for this other article for you.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #4 - January 10, 2009, 05:53 AM

    It's official: Men really are the weaker sex

    Evolution is being distorted by pollution, which damages genitals and the ability to father offspring, says new study. Geoffrey Lean reports


    The male gender is in danger, with incalculable consequences for both humans and wildlife, startling scientific research from around the world reveals.

    The research ? to be detailed tomorrow in the most comprehensive report yet published ? shows that a host of common chemicals is feminising males of every class of vertebrate animals, from fish to mammals, including people.

    Backed by some of the world's leading scientists, who say that it "waves a red flag" for humanity and shows that evolution itself is being disrupted, the report comes out at a particularly sensitive time for ministers. On Wednesday, Britain will lead opposition to proposed new European controls on pesticides, many of which have been found to have "gender-bending" effects.

    It also follows hard on the heels of new American research which shows that baby boys born to women exposed to widespread chemicals in pregnancy are born with smaller penises and feminised genitals.

    "This research shows that the basic male tool kit is under threat," says Gwynne Lyons, a former government adviser on the health effects of chemicals, who wrote the report.

    Wildlife and people have been exposed to more than 100,000 new chemicals in recent years, and the European Commission has admitted that 99 per cent of them are not adequately regulated. There is not even proper safety information on 85 per cent of them.

    Many have been identified as "endocrine disrupters" ? or gender-benders ? because they interfere with hormones. These include phthalates, used in food wrapping, cosmetics and baby powders among other applications; flame retardants in furniture and electrical goods; PCBs, a now banned group of substances still widespread in food and the environment; and many pesticides.

    The report ? published by the charity CHEMTrust and drawing on more than 250 scientific studies from around the world ? concentrates mainly on wildlife, identifying effects in species ranging from the polar bears of the Arctic to the eland of the South African plains, and from whales in the depths of the oceans to high-flying falcons and eagles.

    It concludes: "Males of species from each of the main classes of vertebrate animals (including bony fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals) have been affected by chemicals in the environment.

    "Feminisation of the males of numerous vertebrate species is now a widespread occurrence. All vertebrates have similar sex hormone receptors, which have been conserved in evolution. Therefore, observations in one species may serve to highlight pollution issues of concern for other vertebrates, including humans."

    Fish, it says, are particularly affected by pollutants as they are immersed in them when they swim in contaminated water, taking them in not just in their food but through their gills and skin. They were among the first to show widespread gender-bending effects.

    Half the male fish in British lowland rivers have been found to be developing eggs in their testes; in some stretches all male roaches have been found to be changing sex in this way. Female hormones ? largely from the contraceptive pills which pass unaltered through sewage treatment ? are partly responsible, while more than three-quarters of sewage works have been found also to be discharging demasculinising man-made chemicals. Feminising effects have now been discovered in a host of freshwater fish species as far away as Japan and Benin, in Africa, and in sea fish in the North Sea, the Mediterranean, Osaka Bay in Japan and Puget Sound on the US west coast.

    Research at the University of Florida earlier this year found that 40 per cent of the male cane toads ? a species so indestructible that it has become a plague in Australia ? had become hermaphrodites in a heavily farmed part of the state, with another 20 per cent undergoing lesser feminisation. A similar link between farming and sex changes in northern leopard frogs has been revealed by Canadian research, adding to suspicions that pesticides may be to blame.

    Male alligators exposed to pesticides in Florida have suffered from lower testosterone and higher oestrogen levels, abnormal testes, smaller penises and reproductive failures. Male snapping turtles have been found with female characteristics in the same state and around the Great Lakes, where wildlife has been found to be contaminated with more than 400 different chemicals. Male herring gulls and peregrine falcons have produced the female protein used to make egg yolks, while bald eagles have had difficulty reproducing in areas highly contaminated with chemicals.

    Scientists at Cardiff University have found that the brains of male starlings who ate worms contaminated by female hormones at a sewage works in south-west England were subtly changed so that they sang at greater length and with increased virtuosity.

    Even more ominously for humanity, mammals have also been found to be widely affected.

    Two-thirds of male Sitka black-tailed deer in Alaska have been found to have undescended testes and deformed antler growth, and roughly the same proportion of white-tailed deer in Montana were discovered to have genital abnormalities.

    In South Africa, eland have been revealed to have damaged testicles while being contaminated by high levels of gender-bender chemicals, and striped mice from one polluted nature reserved were discovered to be producing no sperm at all.

    At the other end of the world, hermaphrodite polar bears ? with penises and vaginas ? have been discovered and gender-benders have been found to reduce sperm counts and penis lengths in those that remained male. Many of the small, endangered populations of Florida panthers have been found to have abnormal sperm.

    Other research has revealed otters from polluted areas with smaller testicles and mink exposed to PCBs with shorter penises. Beluga whales in Canada's St Lawrence estuary and killer whales off its north-west coast ? two of the wildlife populations most contaminated by PCBs ? are reproducing poorly, as are exposed porpoises, seals and dolphins.

    Scientists warned yesterday that the mass of evidence added up to a grave warning for both wildlife and humans. Professor Charles Tyler, an expert on endocrine disrupters at the University of Exeter, says that the evidence in the report "set off alarm bells". Whole wildlife populations could be at risk, he said, because their gene pool would be reduced, making them less able to withstand disease and putting them at risk from hazards such as global warming.

    Dr Pete Myers, chief scientist at Environmental Health Sciences, one of the world's foremost authorities on gender-bender chemicals, added: "We have thrown 100, 000 chemicals against a finely balanced hormone system, so it's not surprising that we are seeing some serious results. It is leading to the most rapid pace of evolution in the history of the world.

    Professor Lou Gillette of Florida University, one of the most respected academics in the field, warned that the report waved "a large red flag" at humanity. He said: "If we are seeing problems in wildlife, we can be concerned that something similar is happening to a proportion of human males"

    Indeed, new research at the University of Rochester in New York state shows that boys born to mothers with raised levels of phthalates were more likely to have smaller penises and undescended testicles. They also had a shorter distance between their anus and genitalia, a classic sign of feminisation. And a study at Rotterdam's Erasmus University showed that boys whose mothers had been exposed to PCBs grew up wanting to play with dolls and tea sets rather than with traditionally male toys.

    Communities heavily polluted with gender-benders in Canada, Russia and Italy have given birth to twice as many girls than boys, which may offer a clue to the reason for a mysterious shift in sex ratios worldwide. Normally 106 boys are born for every 100 girls, but the ratio is slipping. It is calculated that 250,000 babies who would have been boys have been born as girls instead in the US and Japan alone.

    And sperm counts are dropping precipitously. Studies in more than 20 countries have shown that they have dropped from 150 million per millilitre of sperm fluid to 60 million over 50 years. (Hamsters produce nearly three times as much, at 160 million.) Professor Nil Basu of Michigan University says that this adds up to "pretty compelling evidence for effects in humans".

    But Britain has long sought to water down EU attempts to control gender-bender chemicals and has been leading opposition to a new regulation that would ban pesticides shown to have endocrine-disrupting effects. Almost all the other European countries back it, but ministers ? backed by their counterparts from Ireland and Romania ? are intent on continuing their resistance at a crucial meeting on Wednesday. They say the regulation would cause a collapse of agriculture in the UK, but environmentalists retort that this is nonsense because the regulation has get-out clauses that could be used by British farmers.


    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #5 - January 10, 2009, 08:00 AM

    Still not going to stop taking the pill.

    I don't care if it affects the size of someone's penis. It also stops me from being in pain once a month.

    What do pesticides have to do with the pill anyway?

    Forgive me for sounding mildly ignorant.

    Okay I read the article fully, and I don't agree with it. I'm probably the most tomboyish chick which surprises a lot of people, and I've been on the pill for a while. Just using personal experiences.

    As for statistics and all that research, I can't agree with what it says about girls being born when they were meant to be guys. The sex is determined only after a certain stage of pregnancy anyway, so how on earth can they tell unless they do scans and find out its a boy, but the child born is a girl?

    It sounds like fiddlesticks to me.
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #6 - January 10, 2009, 08:15 AM

    I'm not saying you should, I'm just saying, this is scary shit, and it's not too funny. You don't worry about future generations of women going unfulfilled because all the world's penises are small? And all the men with Napoleon syndrome, and the world just going to shit, a toilet that cannot flush.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #7 - January 10, 2009, 08:21 AM

    I'm probably the most tomboyish chick which surprises a lot of people, and I've been on the pill for a while. Just using personal experiences.

    As for statistics and all that research, I can't agree with what it says about girls being born when they were meant to be guys. The sex is determined only after a certain stage of pregnancy anyway, so how on earth can they tell unless they do scans and find out its a boy, but the child born is a girl?

    It sounds like fiddlesticks to me.

    It's [edit: forgot 'not', very important slip] going to make you more girly, it's going to fuck with what kids you may have, not limited to the pill.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #8 - January 10, 2009, 08:29 AM

    I'm probably the most tomboyish chick which surprises a lot of people, and I've been on the pill for a while. Just using personal experiences.

    As for statistics and all that research, I can't agree with what it says about girls being born when they were meant to be guys. The sex is determined only after a certain stage of pregnancy anyway, so how on earth can they tell unless they do scans and find out its a boy, but the child born is a girl?

    It sounds like fiddlesticks to me.

    It's going to make you more girly, it's going to fuck with what kids you may have, not limited to the pill.


    I don't want kids. And I've been taking it for years, it hasn't made me more girly Smiley
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #9 - January 10, 2009, 08:50 AM

    Ah, typo, I meant NOT going to make you more girly.  Roll Eyes

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #10 - January 10, 2009, 08:54 AM

    Besides, has anyone ever thought about other hormonal drugs that people are prescribed everyday? What about non-hormonal drugs...what about anti-depressants and anti-biotics?

    There are millions of different drugs are tossed everyday and all medicine has an impact, to some extent. on our environment.

    But are we going to stop medication because of that? Yes, we should be concerned, but what are we going to do besides rant about how concerning it is?

    Antidepressants effect on the environment: http://tribes.tribe.net/depressionhelp/thread/a7b13958-8b97-4957-93d6-ef2856266b58

    Anti-biotics harming the environment: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_/ai_89581015

    Prescriptioned drugs in general: http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20020310224024data_trunc_sys.shtml

    Ah, typo, I meant NOT going to make you more girly.  Roll Eyes


    That's not what the article said. Because of the hormones, children are apparently being born with genitalia close to their anus. A supposed sign of femininity.  Roll Eyes
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #11 - January 10, 2009, 08:58 AM

    Ah, typo, I meant NOT going to make you more girly.  Roll Eyes


    That's not what the article said. Because of the hormones, children are apparently being born with genitalia close to their anus. A supposed sign of femininity.  Roll Eyes

    But it doesn't directly affect you. Children, which you don't intend to have, newborns, will be affected by it, not those who are already formed and functioning (me and you).

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #12 - January 10, 2009, 09:23 AM

    Ah, typo, I meant NOT going to make you more girly.  Roll Eyes


    That's not what the article said. Because of the hormones, children are apparently being born with genitalia close to their anus. A supposed sign of femininity.  Roll Eyes

    But it doesn't directly affect you. Children, which you don't intend to have, newborns, will be affected by it, not those who are already formed and functioning (me and you).


    They are also being affected by the millions of other drugs out there that are tossed into the environment.
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #13 - January 10, 2009, 09:54 AM

    They are also being affected by the millions of other drugs out there that are tossed into the environment.

    not limited to the pill.

    Tongue

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #14 - January 10, 2009, 10:01 AM

    So there we have it. It's not just the contraceptive pill, it's a problem with drugs in general.  bunny
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #15 - January 10, 2009, 10:03 AM

     Roll Eyes

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #16 - January 10, 2009, 10:11 AM

    Now now, eye rolling isn't going to save the world from doom.  Wink
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #17 - January 10, 2009, 10:20 AM

    Tongue

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #18 - January 10, 2009, 11:01 PM

    At issue is untreated hormones. We just have to treat them. With more hormones.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #19 - January 10, 2009, 11:32 PM

    Explain please, Baal.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #20 - January 11, 2009, 12:40 AM

    Explain please, Baal.

    This research is done against untreated hormones getting into the ecosystem and not getting dissipated fast enough. There probably is a technological solution involving sewage treatment. Generally speaking, sewage treatment is a process we are already performing although apparently not enough.

    Which chemicals will we then cover? Which chemicals are the worst offenders? What is the cost involved? who will bear the cost? Will our treatment introduce more chemicals?

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #21 - January 13, 2009, 12:13 PM

    Still not going to stop taking the pill.

    I don't care if it affects the size of someone's penis. It also stops me from being in pain once a month.

    The safest option would be a progestogen-only pill (POP) such as Cerazette as it seems to be oestrogen that is affecting reproductive systems. I'm currently on Cerazette after being taken off the normal pills due to health reasons. It's pretty much stopped my period entirely, I just got a some dark discharge now instead. It'd much better than the normal pills Tongue

    If the problem really is serious then I hope they start changing the pills we use. Seems like the easiest option.
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #22 - January 13, 2009, 01:24 PM

    The Vatican are full of shit. They have an agenda to push and of course they will try to scaremonger about the pill. I wouldn't take any notice of their silliness and yes, I am aware of the problems with pseudoestrogens. These compounds (not estrogen but mimic it in some ways) are widespread in plastics and all sorts of things these days and are far more of a problem than a bit of wench piss.

    Bear in mind people that women have had estrogen in their systems and have been pissing it out for millions of years. It's normal, and the modern pills have very low levels of hormones in them anyway.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #23 - January 13, 2009, 01:29 PM

    Still not going to stop taking the pill.

    I don't care if it affects the size of someone's penis. It also stops me from being in pain once a month.

    The safest option would be a progestogen-only pill (POP) such as Cerazette as it seems to be oestrogen that is affecting reproductive systems. I'm currently on Cerazette after being taken off the normal pills due to health reasons. It's pretty much stopped my period entirely, I just got a some dark discharge now instead. It'd much better than the normal pills Tongue

    If the problem really is serious then I hope they start changing the pills we use. Seems like the easiest option.


    I was on Microgynon in England, and that worked wonders. Now I'm on an equivalent called Monofemme. I preferred Microgynon to be honest. And the stopping the period is pretty much the same with all pills, combined or not. I'm on combined and I've got the same.

    This is turning into a female health thread  Cheesy

    far more of a problem than a bit of wench piss.



     Cheesy You are just a ray of sunshine aren't you os Tongue
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #24 - January 13, 2009, 01:34 PM

    Hey I'm standing up for your right to drop pills. Gimme a break here.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #25 - January 13, 2009, 01:38 PM

    Hey I'm standing up for your right to drop pills. Gimme a break here.


    I know, I know.

    Your choice of words was hilarious.

    I've just come back from an SES induction....don't think I'll be going back  wacko
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #26 - January 13, 2009, 01:42 PM

    That's a good point Os.

    I was on Microgynon in England, and that worked wonders. Now I'm on an equivalent called Monofemme. I preferred Microgynon to be honest. And the stopping the period is pretty much the same with all pills, combined or not. I'm on combined and I've got the same.

    This is turning into a female health thread  Cheesy

    Not really. On Microgynon I still had periods but on Cerazette they've pretty much stopped altogether. But as Os stated it probably doesn't make a significant difference.
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #27 - January 13, 2009, 01:46 PM

    That's a good point Os.

    I was on Microgynon in England, and that worked wonders. Now I'm on an equivalent called Monofemme. I preferred Microgynon to be honest. And the stopping the period is pretty much the same with all pills, combined or not. I'm on combined and I've got the same.

    This is turning into a female health thread  Cheesy

    Not really. On Microgynon I still had periods but on Cerazette they've pretty much stopped altogether. But as Os stated it probably doesn't make a significant difference.


    I'm sure it affects different people in different ways. I've had no trouble with combined pills, been taking them for years now! Couldn't give them up, I like not being in pain Tongue

    I ran out of my pills last month so had to make do this month cos the clinic was fully booked and I was busy as hell to get another prescription (they don't do it without prescription here) ..and it hurt...to say the least.

  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #28 - January 13, 2009, 01:47 PM

    Quote from: heartbomb
    That's not what the article said. Because of the hormones, children are apparently being born with genitalia close to their anus. A supposed sign of femininity.  Roll Eyes


    Great, let's wait and see how long it takes before some mullah in the ME or the NWFP use this as 'scientific proof' that males are better than females...  I mean, they've already claimed that baby boy piss is cleaner than baby girl piss.  Tongue

    As for me, I'm staying on the pill, no amount of environmental scaremongering could frighten me more than the thought of motherhood at this stage of my life!

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Contraceptive pill is polluting environment: Vatican newspaper
     Reply #29 - January 13, 2009, 04:36 PM

    Quote from: heartbomb
    That's not what the article said. Because of the hormones, children are apparently being born with genitalia close to their anus. A supposed sign of femininity.  Roll Eyes


    Great, let's wait and see how long it takes before some mullah in the ME or the NWFP use this as 'scientific proof' that males are better than females...  I mean, they've already claimed that baby boy piss is cleaner than baby girl piss.  Tongue

    As for me, I'm staying on the pill, no amount of environmental scaremongering could frighten me more than the thought of motherhood at this stage of my life!


    Glad I'm not alone!
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