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  • Prince Harry; "Paki"
     OP - January 13, 2009, 09:32 PM

    I'm surprised no has commented on this, but what do you think about Prince Harry referring to a Sandhurst colleague as "Paki"?
  • Re: Prince Harry; "Paki"
     Reply #1 - January 13, 2009, 09:47 PM

    I saw the stories and the video tape in question. I can't speak to the term "Paki" as it seems to be a term used in Europe as opposed to the States, so I have no idea if it's always meant as a horrible slur, or something people can say to one another in a kidding manner if they know one another.

    Intent matters, that much I know. And there are always double standards in these situations. Sort of reminds me of being in college and hearing all about their "hate speech" codes while hearing African-American students drop the N word with abandon and no one doing a thing about it. Had a non-black student done the same thing, they'd have been in a hell of a lot of trouble.
  • Re: Prince Harry; "Paki"
     Reply #2 - January 13, 2009, 09:50 PM

    Good points Buster. You're absolutely right the intent is what really matters.

    Only Prince Harry and the guy on the receiving end can really know.
  • Re: Prince Harry; "Paki"
     Reply #3 - January 14, 2009, 12:18 AM

    I'm surprised no has commented on this, but what do you think about Prince Harry referring to a Sandhurst colleague as "Paki"?




    Prince Harry conclusively proves he is a dunce by actually recording himself saying it.  Clearly the whole thing has been blown out of proportion and I doubt it was intended with malice ( doesn't appear to be ).

    However I seriously doubt any Pakistani would be happy to be called a Paki by a-non Pakistani, unless the Ahmed guy regularly had reciprocal banter in which he called the Prince a "ginger twat" or whatever.

    I imagine if Harry had said it to his face , there probably would have been aggro.

    BTW How did you feel about the raghead comment?

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  • Re: Prince Harry; "Paki"
     Reply #4 - January 14, 2009, 12:25 AM

    Intent matters, that much I know. And there are always double standards in these situations. Sort of reminds me of being in college and hearing all about their "hate speech" codes while hearing African-American students drop the N word with abandon and no one doing a thing about it. Had a non-black student done the same thing, they'd have been in a hell of a lot of trouble.


    It surprises me when reasonably intelligent white people don't really understand why the "double standard" exists ( whether it should exist is a different matter).

    I could write a whole essay on this but I need to go to bed. Will post again tomorrow. 

    We are in favor of tolerance, but it is a very difficult thing to tolerate the intolerant and impossible to tolerate the intolerable.

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  • Re: Prince Harry; "Paki"
     Reply #5 - January 14, 2009, 12:37 AM

    Intent matters, that much I know. And there are always double standards in these situations. Sort of reminds me of being in college and hearing all about their "hate speech" codes while hearing African-American students drop the N word with abandon and no one doing a thing about it. Had a non-black student done the same thing, they'd have been in a hell of a lot of trouble.


    It surprises me when reasonably intelligent white people don't really understand why the "double standard" exists ( whether it should exist is a different matter).

    I could write a whole essay on this but I need to go to bed. Will post again tomorrow. 


    I understand why it exists, but have a big problem with the fact that it does exist, especially when suspension or expulsion from college is in question. Either the rules apply to everyone, or they apply to no one. If people want these "zero tolerance" rules, they have to live with the consequences of them.
  • Re: Prince Harry; "Paki"
     Reply #6 - January 14, 2009, 01:31 AM

    I saw the stories and the video tape in question. I can't speak to the term "Paki" as it seems to be a term used in Europe as opposed to the States, so I have no idea if it's always meant as a horrible slur, or something people can say to one another in a kidding manner if they know one another.

    Intent matters, that much I know. And there are always double standards in these situations. Sort of reminds me of being in college and hearing all about their "hate speech" codes while hearing African-American students drop the N word with abandon and no one doing a thing about it. Had a non-black student done the same thing, they'd have been in a hell of a lot of trouble.


    When white people use(d) the term "nigger", it was always as an insult and/or a slur.  The Black people took the word and began using it between themselves, both to defuse its hurtful meaning and as a term of solidarity.

    Racism is still very much alive and well in America.  Mostly from talibangelicals and Republicans.
  • Re: Prince Harry; "Paki"
     Reply #7 - January 14, 2009, 03:50 AM

    I think he's an idiot.

    He does stupid stuff like dress up like a member of the Nazi party for a fancy dress, call someone a raghead, a paki, and goodness knows what else.

    I don't think it has been blown out of proportion. Just because he is a member of the royal family, doesn't mean he is exempt from racial slurs.

    I got bullied a lot when I was younger, especially with racial slurs, so I don't find that word funny in any way.

    He's a prince, he's a member of the royal family. He should be setting an example for society. Plus he represents the upper class, and should not be using such language because it makes it seem like it's okay for everybody else to use it.
  • Re: Prince Harry; "Paki"
     Reply #8 - January 14, 2009, 10:25 AM

    He's a royal. They've always been twats. Why is anyone surprised?

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  • Re: Prince Harry; "Paki"
     Reply #9 - January 14, 2009, 10:31 AM

    I think he's an idiot.

    He does stupid stuff like dress up like a member of the Nazi party for a fancy dress, call someone a raghead, a paki, and goodness knows what else.

    I don't think it has been blown out of proportion. Just because he is a member of the royal family, doesn't mean he is exempt from racial slurs.

    I got bullied a lot when I was younger, especially with racial slurs, so I don't find that word funny in any way.

    He's a prince, he's a member of the royal family. He should be setting an example for society. Plus he represents the upper class, and should not be using such language because it makes it seem like it's okay for everybody else to use it.


    That's what popped into my head too, he seems to enjoy doing the racist jokes more than anything else, and to me that's a deep down racist.

    There is being too PC, then there is ignoring what is obviously a royal fuck up.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Prince Harry; "Paki"
     Reply #10 - January 14, 2009, 03:18 PM

    I think he's an idiot.

    He does stupid stuff like dress up like a member of the Nazi party for a fancy dress, call someone a raghead, a paki, and goodness knows what else.

    I don't think it has been blown out of proportion. Just because he is a member of the royal family, doesn't mean he is exempt from racial slurs.

    I got bullied a lot when I was younger, especially with racial slurs, so I don't find that word funny in any way.

    He's a prince, he's a member of the royal family. He should be setting an example for society. Plus he represents the upper class, and should not be using such language because it makes it seem like it's okay for everybody else to use it.


    Exactly how I feel..  and for the record, I dont think other racial slurs are acceptable, even if they are considered mainstream (that includes those used for the Irish and Germans). 

    It pre-judges people by the way they look, or by the country they were born, particularly against a community that is already insular and introspective as is the Pakistani one.  It splits groups apart, "them & us", and we all know what that can lead to!

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  • Re: Prince Harry; "Paki"
     Reply #11 - January 14, 2009, 04:06 PM

    I got bullied a lot when I was younger, especially with racial slurs, so I don't find that word funny in any way.


    I have also encountered racial slurs ("Dirty Arab"), and it can be extremely upsetting and make one feel very alienated.

    Paki, Raghead and any other name-calling is just not acceptable in any civilized society and should never be dismissed as nothing important.

    The attitude of the Royals is partly because they are Royals though. I remember in the 80s something about Prince Phillip commenting about some shoddy workmanship as "Must be made by an Asian" - Spitting Images were always making fun of his racist comments. The thing is they wouldn't think twice about making some condescending remark about anyone, as they think they are so superior.

    I have to say that when I met Prince Charles I was impressed by him, he seemed genuinely interested and friendly to everyone at Islamia School.
  • Re: Prince Harry; "Paki"
     Reply #12 - January 14, 2009, 08:01 PM

    Often when we were being called "Paki", they were actually insultng us, by definition, with the word "Clean" - shows how a nice word actually be seen as an insult. 

    In any case there are no 2 ways of looking at the words "Dirty Arab".  Wonder what the origins of that are?

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  • Re: Prince Harry; "Paki"
     Reply #13 - January 14, 2009, 08:09 PM

    I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he is not a racist but a stupid kid.

    Extra stupid because he should knows who he is and he should know that anything he says can and will be used against him.

    If I was his PR person, I would tell him start dating a black chick.

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  • Re: Prince Harry; "Paki"
     Reply #14 - January 14, 2009, 08:21 PM

    I remember 2 years ago, a Punjabi, student of mine being called a Paki in holyhead high street by one of the streetlife and she went ballistic. I also remember during my own formative years being called a greasy greek, a wop, a Diego and, worst of all, a foreigner, even tho' my Dad was English.
    It still irritates me immensely when anyone uses a word in a deliberate or thoughtlessly perjorative way.
    Even tho' our royalty are not the brightest, I think young prinny should apologise profusely because, although the uses of royalty are becoming harder to find, they are , at least, supposed to be a unifying factor in British society. If they can't even conciously do that, then they ought to put up shop.

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  • Re: Prince Harry; "Paki"
     Reply #15 - January 14, 2009, 10:28 PM

    I saw the stories and the video tape in question. I can't speak to the term "Paki" as it seems to be a term used in Europe as opposed to the States, so I have no idea if it's always meant as a horrible slur, or something people can say to one another in a kidding manner if they know one another.

    Intent matters, that much I know. And there are always double standards in these situations. Sort of reminds me of being in college and hearing all about their "hate speech" codes while hearing African-American students drop the N word with abandon and no one doing a thing about it. Had a non-black student done the same thing, they'd have been in a hell of a lot of trouble.


    When white people use(d) the term "nigger", it was always as an insult and/or a slur.  The Black people took the word and began using it between themselves, both to defuse its hurtful meaning and as a term of solidarity.

    Racism is still very much alive and well in America.  Mostly from talibangelicals and Republicans.


    I'm aware of the fact that many black people have adopted that term as a way to take the sting out of it, but I think you're leaving out a lot of middle ground.

    The N word is not always used between black people as some term of endearment. In college, I witnessed a few confrontations between African-Americans in which that word was used to inflame the other party. I also knew of a group of black kids who hung around with a few white kids and the white kids used that term and no one cared. Likewise, the white kids were kidded about their racial background by the black kids. And again, no one cared. I also worked with a group of women who addressed each other as "bitch". The looks on the faces of people who were new to the area was one of utter shock. I also worked with women who made it clear that no one should ever use that term to address them.

    Like I said in my initial post, intent matters. I've worked with people of all colors and ethnic groups and have seen all sorts of playful banter in which white people call them slurs and vice versa. The problem arises when these zero tolerance policies are put in place and then a whole slew of exceptions are made based on race, but indifferent to intent.

    I have no idea what baggage the word "Paki" carries with it in England, but I'd be interested to hear what the Prince's colleague has to say about the matter. I know things are a little different in the military. I'd bet Prince Harry has been called "inbred" more than once.

    I would also disagree as to where one finds racism rampant in this society. I see it in all political parties, socio-economic classes, and ethnic backgrounds. Wayne Brady was being interviewed by Tyra Banks recently (they have her show on at work... ack!) and asked if he'd ever experienced racism and where. He said the most racism he was on the receiving end of came at the hands of his own community because he was constantly criticized for "acting white". This is another sad phenomena one sees at college campuses, especially community colleges. When I was finishing up a few credits before moving on to uni, I took a psychology class in which a group of students would howl in laughter when the tests were handed back. They thought it was just hilarious that they failed them. They'd slap their legs and be bent over in fits of laughter as the next person got their test back and had an even lower score. The professor, who was black herself, was not amused. This sort of negative peer pressure is sad, to put it mildly. Thankfully it's more less common on university campuses.
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