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  • Converting from Islam to Judaism
     OP - January 20, 2009, 03:19 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuTWVcd-MbE

    oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #1 - January 20, 2009, 08:10 PM

    Heh, I've seen this. The muslims commenting on there don't get that it's a joke. Roll Eyes

    There have been some real cases of muslims converting to Judaism, I will post them.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #2 - January 20, 2009, 10:16 PM

    Heh, I've seen this. The muslims commenting on there don't get that it's a joke. Roll Eyes

    There have been some real cases of muslims converting to Judaism, I will post them.


    Yes. there are many humourless people out in the world.

    oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #3 - January 20, 2009, 10:35 PM

    LOL!  Islam meets Jewish humour!  Love it!   Cheesy

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #4 - January 20, 2009, 10:42 PM

    Heh, I've seen this. The muslims commenting on there don't get that it's a joke. Roll Eyes

    There have been some real cases of muslims converting to Judaism, I will post them.


    Yes. there are many humourless people out in the world.

    True. Some of them even join public discussion boards and then immediately use the ignore list against anyone they have a mild disagreement with.  grin12

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #5 - January 23, 2009, 09:24 AM

    Heh, I almost forgot.

    There have been some real cases of muslims converting to Judaism, I will post them.


    Quote
    http://www.infoisrael.net/cgi-local/text.pl?source=7/a/archives/260820031

    Sacrificing the Easy Life to Gain Peace of Mind
    How a Muslim Arab converted to Judaism at the most difficult of times

    By Mayaan Jaffe

    IHC Abstract:

    Moshe, a Muslim Arab recently converted to Judaism, tells a compelling story of the inexplicable ties he felt ? already from a young age - with the Jewish faith. Defying family expectations, as well as a cultural and religious heritage, which proscribes death for converts to Judaism, Moshe, at the age of 19, finally made a fateful decision to become a Jewish convert. Yet his path to conversion was not made easy by the mistrustfulness of Jews who were expected to play a pivotal role in his conversion. Family excommunication served as yet another deflationary component in his intractable path to conversion. In spite of the odds working against him, however, Moshe finally became a full-fledged Jew. Now married to an American Jew and living in Jerusalem, Moshe knows the beauty and happiness that come from leading a Jewish life. He urges other Jews to learn from his experiences, to be more accepting of Jewish converts and to come to a renewed understanding of what it is to be a Jew.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    ?I sacrificed everything in order to be a part of the Jewish people,? Moshe,[1] 26, said. Though pride shown on his face, there was still an edge of sadness peering through his eyes. A typical convert, Moshe spends his days looking for work, learning Torah and enjoying his new wife Batya?s [2] company. He sleeps in his Kiryat Moshe, Jerusalem apartment and passes his Shabbatot [Sabbaths] praying at the Western Wall. However, Moshe?s story is anything but standard. A native of an Arab village in the southern Hebron Hills, Moshe recently converted from Islam to Judaism, and the process was grueling.

    The Past
    Moshe grew up in a large, wealthy and prominent Arab home. His grandfather sat as the ?elder? of his village, beaming with family pride.

    ?My family,? Moshe said, ?has been in the area since before the Muslim conquest [3], and we own plenty of olive groves, vineyards and orchards.?

    His father, however, made his capital through a highly successful business.

    Moshe said, ?We were quite wealthy. My parents made sure we kids got everything. In fact, we were indulged.? Moshe said, for instance, that his father bought him a Rolex at the young age of 19.

    When Moshe finished high school his father offered to fit the bill and send him abroad for college. However, Moshe preferred to remain in Israel and begin working with his father. He started managing a good portion of his father?s business, but his curiosity kept him from becoming fully entrenched. At 19, Moshe said he had many questions about the validity of the Koran and he was ?thinking seriously about Judaism.?

    ?It was like a bee in my head,? Moshe said. ?I could not get the idea that I was meant to be Jewish out of my mind.?

    The thought of one day becoming a convert haunted Moshe until he could take it no more. He finally hopped into his Mercedes and drove all the way to Tel Aviv. There, he wandered into a synagogue and asked, ?If I want to be Jewish, where do I have to go??

    The congregants sent him to Jerusalem. Once there, he again inquired: ?If I want to be Jewish, where do I have to go??

    Residents directed the young Arab to the Rabbinate. He called Information to obtain the number. The Rabbinate, however, sent Moshe to Rabbi David Mamo, the head rabbi of Rabbinate conversion in Jerusalem at the time, whose office was in Alon Shvut, located in the Etzion Bloc, just a hop, skip and a jump from Moshe?s village in the Hebron Hills.

    ?I drove by the [Etzion Bloc interchange] all the time. One day, instead of going straight and heading home, I took a right and drove into Alon Shvut,? Moshe said. ?There I was, a 19-year-old kid wearing a Rolex watch and a fancy Armani suit ? not your typical Arab teen. I asked the secretary if I could speak with Rabbi Mamo, and she directed me to him.?

    Rabbi Mamo took one look at Moshe and shook his head. He asked him why he wanted to convert and told Moshe he had to prove he did not have a police record before he could even discuss the possibility of conversion. Moshe, a model student and honest businessman, did so right away. Still, when Rabbi Mamo was satisfied with Moshe?s record, he refused to help him begin his conversion process.

    ?He said to me, ?No. You really cannot now. Call me back in a year.??

    So Moshe marked the date on his calendar and exactly one year to the day later he phoned Rabbi Mamo.

    ?I have called you back after a year,? he said. ?What do I do now??

    Nevertheless, Rabbi Mamo refused to help him. He said to come back in a couple of months and then another couple of months, until another entire year had passed. When Moshe did not cease to push, the rabbi realized he must be serious and opened a ?conversion? file with Moshe?s name on it ? two years from Moshe?s initial request.

    Rabbi Mamo told Moshe he was required to enroll in a conversion program. Moshe wanted to learn in a yeshiva [Torah learning institution] and not just attend conversion courses twice a week - as most converts do. He enrolled in Nahlat Tzvi, located at the time in Kiryat Moshe. [4] It was then that the pain, stress and beauty of the conversion process began to hit home.

    Converting via Nahlat Tzvi

    Moshe enrolled in yeshiva just as the second Intifada broke out and - to put it mildly - not all of the students ?accepted? him.

    ?They accused me of being a terrorist. They destroyed my notebooks? and made things very difficult for me,? Moshe said.

    Rabbi Wasserman, director of the Nahlat Tzvi conversion program, worked closely with Moshe. He said he witnessed how emotionally challenging the program was for him, and how cruel the other students could be. He said Moshe took his situation very hard.

    ?First of all, [Moshe] is an emotional person,? said Rabbi Wasserman. ?This in itself makes the situation more difficult. You can imagine the obstacles he went through: He thought people were suspicious of him, overly discriminating against him or judging him? The fact he is an Arab who started his conversion process the same time this war started three years ago made it difficult for him. People made comments in classes and sometimes there were verbal exchanges.?

    Adding acutely to his suffering, Moshe?s family turned against him when he told them of his decision to enroll in Nahlat Tzvi and convert.

    ?They cut off all contact with me,? he said. ?That was so difficult since I come from such a close family. [Telling my parents about my decision] was probably the most painful experience of my life? I nearly fainted after I hung up the phone with my father??

    Though Moshe said he does not believe his parents would harm him if he attempted to contact them, doing so could be very dangerous. According to Muslim law, converting to Judaism is punishable by death without witness or warning. He said it would be perilous if some ?right-wing fundamentalist? found out what he did.

    ?If someone wants to make a hero out of himself, he could do so just by killing me ? killing a traitor,? Moshe said, adding that with the current security situation it is not just a question of religion, but also of nationality.

    Still, Moshe trudged through the curriculum. According to Wasserman, Moshe studied halacha [Jewish law], Jewish thought, chumash [the Five Books of Moses], acquired various learning skills and delved into Rabbi Tzvi Moshe Kook?s philosophy and approach to the Land of Israel. He said the program was meant to help Moshe think like a Jew.

    ?We don?t want them [converts] to learn the three hundred terms of halacha required in order to pass the Beit Din [Jewish Court] examination,? said Rabbi Wasserman. ?We want them to think like Jews and look at reality like Jews? [We want them] to put on Jewish eyeglasses? and act like Jews.?

    Moshe worked hard. Rabbi Wasserman said he was very diligent, always writing down notes and reviewing the rabbis? remarks and observations.

    Moshe also eventually managed to make friends ? some that he is still close with today ? and to connect strongly with the Rosh Yeshiva [head of the school], Rabbi Ya?akov Shimon.

    ?He took me under his wing,? Moshe said of his Rosh Yeshiva. ?When he heard my parents cut themselves off from me, he said, ?I am going to be like your father.? And he really has been.?

    Moving On
    One-and-a-half years after enrolling at Nahlat Tzvi, Moshe passed his examination at the Beit Din. Though obtaining citizenship and the appropriate permits via the Ministry of the Interior has been a hassle, Moshe has begun a new life.

    Last March, Moshe married his ?soul mate,? Batya, an American-born immigrant, in a small ceremony on the Talpiot Promenade in Jerusalem. Batya said she is very proud of her husband and the process he went through. While she noted that sometimes differences between her Western and his Middle Eastern mentality crop up, they continue to work with each other and try to understand the other?s point of view.

    ?He is a brave, proud and thoughtful person,? Batya said.

    Around 4,000 people convert to Judaism in Israel each year. According to Rabbi Eliyahu Maimon, director of the Jewish conversion court, the majority of people who convert have no religious background. Rabbi Maimon said the majority of converts in recent years have been Ethiopian; however, others of Soviet, American and Asian origins have also been counted among them.

    Moshe recognizes he is now technically one of the Rabbinate?s statistics ? a name on the establishment?s list of people whose conversions are accepted. However, he sees all converts as unique and special and says that while he wants to blend in and move on with his life, Jews-from-birth could learn a lot from him and other converts.

    ?I hope the Jewish people will fulfill the mitzvah [commandment] of loving the convert ? a mitzvah that is mentioned many times in the Torah. If Jews realized how much converts have to go through to be a part of the Jewish people, they would respect them much more,? Moshe said.

    Moreover, he said he hopes all Jews can discover what he has learned. ?True Judaism ? Judaism based on the Tanach [the Jewish canon] ? is the most beautiful thing in the world. Those who truly follow it will experience ultimate happiness??

    Notes:

    [1] Name has been changed for security purposes.
    [2] Name has been changed for security purposes.
    [3] This took place in approximately 635 C.E.
    [4] Nahlat Tzvi moved just over one year ago to a new location in Pisgat Ze?ev, Jerusalem.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Source: Original text submitted by the author, an IHC Feature Reporter, 20 August 2003.

    Edited by IHC Staff.

    Copyright ? Israel Hasbara Committee 2003.

    Permission granted to reprint this article provided the IHC is properly credited and those copying it are non-commercial enterprises./quote]


    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #6 - January 23, 2009, 09:31 AM

    See also "Jewish Life in Muslim Libya: Rivals and Relatives", By Harvey E. Goldberg, excerpt "Abraham the Proselyte", by Mordechai Ha-Cohen

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #7 - January 23, 2009, 02:43 PM

    I know several such people, who converted from Islam to Judaism. Sabbateans in the Ottoman Empire converted to Islam en masse, following their messiah Sabbatai Zvi. Some of them practiced Islam secretly, and some returned to Judaism later. There are so many conspiracy theories about them, though, that is is rather difficult to tell the truth about such groups. Most likely they are a small group who have either fully, or partially, disappeared through assimilation.

    For the Islamists in Turkey, they are a phantom minority responsible for all the ills of Turkish society, especially the secular reforms of Ataturk.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #8 - January 24, 2009, 01:42 AM

    Here's a convert the other way around...

    http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=gbOR0IJ3gR4

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #9 - January 24, 2009, 03:30 AM

    Here's a convert the other way around...

    http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=gbOR0IJ3gR4


    That's the fool the original poster was making fun of. This guy is nuts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf7DQKU40VY

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #10 - January 24, 2009, 07:50 AM

    Here's a convert the other way around...

    http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=gbOR0IJ3gR4

    I remember hearing about this guy years ago. He is pretty hardcore. I seen him in a Richard Dawkins doc, and he was going on about "Why don't you cover your women!?!" My uncle was so proud of him for some reason. lol

    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #11 - January 24, 2009, 07:52 AM

    Even when I was muslim I thought this fool was nuts. He's all for jihad, terrorism, and suicide bombing, the nut.  wacko

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #12 - January 24, 2009, 09:31 AM

    Even when I was muslim I thought this fool was nuts. He's all for jihad, terrorism, and suicide bombing, the nut.  wacko


    Yeah, he is.  But he was all for that because he was religiously inspired into being nuts.

    So what, exactly was wrong with his theological interpretation of Islam?



    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #13 - January 24, 2009, 09:35 AM

    The saved sect is against terrorism. Jihad has conditions that must be fulfilled, and they are not present in the current world. Jihad must have a legitimate leader, a head of state, not no vigilantes. And even if Jihad were possible to be imposed, killing of innocents (kuffar non-combatants) is haram.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #14 - January 24, 2009, 09:37 AM

    The saved sect is against terrorism. Jihad has conditions that must be fulfilled, and they are not present in the current world. Jihad must have a legitimate leader, a head of state, not no vigilantes. And even if Jihad were possible to be imposed, killing of innocents (kuffar non-combatants) is haram.


    How did the above sap contradict any of that?  Roll Eyes

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #15 - January 24, 2009, 09:39 AM

    True. Some of them even join public discussion boards and then immediately use the ignore list against anyone they have a mild disagreement with.  grin12


    Lmao score  Cheesy

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #16 - January 24, 2009, 09:41 AM

    The saved sect is against terrorism. Jihad has conditions that must be fulfilled, and they are not present in the current world. Jihad must have a legitimate leader, a head of state, not no vigilantes. And even if Jihad were possible to be imposed, killing of innocents (kuffar non-combatants) is haram.


    How did the above sap contradict any of that?  Roll Eyes

    He's all for jihad now, kill all the kuffar indiscriminately, suicide bomb public transportation systems carrying grandmas and children. Roll Eyes

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #17 - January 24, 2009, 09:43 AM

    He is, yeah.  Disgusting bastard.  But what was he before?  And why did he become so disgusting on his conversion to Islam?


    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #18 - January 24, 2009, 09:44 AM

    But what was he before?  And why did he become so disgusting on his conversion to Islam?

    He was an Ultra Orthodox Jew. I guess he's attracted to extremism, Huh?

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #19 - January 24, 2009, 09:48 AM

    But what was he before?  And why did he become so disgusting on his conversion to Islam?

    He was an Ultra Orthodox Jew. I guess he's attracted to extremism, Huh?


    I guess he never really understood his parents religion, he just rebelled against it.  He is like a child of Christian parents who turned to Satanism.  Silly fucker. Roll Eyes

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #20 - January 24, 2009, 09:54 AM

    If you don't mind me asking (which I think you probably would), how many of you here are Jews?

    Just for the sake of informed discussion  Smiley
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #21 - January 24, 2009, 09:57 AM

    If you don't mind me asking (which I think you probably would), how many of you here are Jews?

    Just for the sake of informed discussion  Smiley


     Do you want to start a poll? 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #22 - January 24, 2009, 10:12 AM

    If you don't mind me asking (which I think you probably would), how many of you here are Jews?

    Just for the sake of informed discussion  Smiley


     Do you want to start a poll? 


    Not really, I meant the ones in this thread.  It would be more informative that way.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #23 - January 24, 2009, 10:16 AM

    Charles is the only poster on this forum I'm aware of that is Jewish (and he's retarded). There's a half-jew from her father, but in the eyes of the Orthodox, and most other jews, she don't count. I'm supposed to be reincarnated from a Jew, Cheesy.

    Tongue

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #24 - January 24, 2009, 10:16 AM

    You want to know who in this thread are Jews?

    Why? 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #25 - January 24, 2009, 10:17 AM

    You want to know who in this thread are Jews?

    Why?

    Maybe he's making a list of round-ups? Tongue

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #26 - January 24, 2009, 10:22 AM

    You want to know who in this thread are Jews?

    Why?

    Maybe he's making a list of round-ups? Tongue

    You want to know who in this thread are Jews?

    Why? 



    Lol.  Yes beware. 

    Well, I suspect Zaephon is a jew, but maybe I am wrong.  I must say he does not sound like an ex-muslim, but who knows.  Anyway, it is not important.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #27 - January 24, 2009, 10:23 AM

    Well, I suspect Zaephon is a jew, but maybe I am wrong.  I must say he does not sound like an ex-muslim, but who knows.  Anyway, it is not important.

    What from the list of stereotypes makes you say that?

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #28 - January 24, 2009, 10:23 AM

    You want to know who in this thread are Jews?

    Why?

    Maybe he's making a list of round-ups? Tongue


    I am a female, by the way.
  • Re: Converting from Islam to Judaism
     Reply #29 - January 24, 2009, 10:26 AM

    Zaephon is an ex-muslim.  Are you, turquoise?

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
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