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 Topic: Islamic Lunacy

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  • Islamic Lunacy
     OP - January 22, 2009, 12:40 AM
    Lunacy down under . . .


    An Islamic cleric from Melbourne has told followers it is permitted to force their wives to have sex with them and to hit them.

    The lecture, titled "The Keys to a Successful Marriage" was delivered a few years ago but had recently been placed on the internet.

    Samir Abu Hamza, who runs the Islamic Information and Services Network of Australasia in Coburg, said Islamic law permitted men to hit their disobedient wives as a last resort.

    "You'll beat them... but this is the last resort after you have advised them for a long, long time, then you smack them, you beat them."

    "You are not allowed to bruise them, you are not allowed to make them bleed."

    Hamza told followers women must respond to their husbands whenever they ask for it.

    "Even if her husband was to ask her for a sexual relationship and she is preparing the bread on the stove she must leave it and come and respond to her husband," he said.

    He appeared to not understand what was wrong with a husband forcing himself onto his wife.

    "Amazing, how can a person rape his wife?"

    "In this country if the husband wants to sleep with his wife and she does not want to... it is known to be as rape."

    Hamza advised the congregation not to become too physical with the beatings.

    "This is just to shape them up, shape up woman."

    Reports from News Limited said Hamza yesterday stood by his comments and blamed the controversy on a hidden Zionist agenda run by the media.

    He reiterated his belief that a wife was allowed to be hit on the hand or leg.

    "Of course, not on the head."


    I might have to recant and go back to Islam . . . I do so miss the canings and amputations.
    There will be no white flag above our door
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #1 - January 22, 2009, 12:43 AM
    Quote from: Crazy Imam
    "You'll beat them... but this is the last resort after you have advised them for a long, long time, then you smack them, you beat them."

    How humane.
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #2 - January 22, 2009, 11:50 AM
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=4250.msg108504;topicseen#new
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #3 - January 22, 2009, 12:04 PM
    Quote from: Charles
    Reports from News Limited said Hamza yesterday stood by his comments and blamed the controversy on a hidden Zionist agenda run by the media


    LAME!  Time for these idiots to come up with a new excuse to blame their bad rep on.
    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #4 - January 22, 2009, 12:08 PM
    Quote from: Nour on January 22, 2009, 12:04 PM
    Quote from: Charles
    Reports from News Limited said Hamza yesterday stood by his comments and blamed the controversy on a hidden Zionist agenda run by the media


    LAME!  Time for these idiots to come up with a new excuse to blame their bad rep on.


    What if it said:

    Quote
    Reports from News Limited said Hamza yesterday stood by his comments and blamed the controversy on a hidden EX-MUSLIM agenda run by the media


    or better yet:

    Quote
    Reports from News Limited said Hamza yesterday stood by his comments and blamed the controversy on a hidden Nour worshipper's agenda run by the media


     Tongue
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #5 - January 22, 2009, 12:59 PM
    LOL!  That would be GREAT!  It would certainly get our humble little group into the spotlight and every time the media wants to interview any of us we can insist on hiding our identites by wearing lucho libre masks!   grin12
    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #6 - January 22, 2009, 01:46 PM
    From their point of view such recommendations keep the marriage together, the family stable and the honour of the society intact. Such benefits are more important.

    No consideration for the woman really.

    That is why Islamic teachings need to be exposed so that some of it can be diluted. We we need skip past the rhetoric of respect to ensure future generations are no longer subjected to intimidation and abuse.

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #7 - January 22, 2009, 02:08 PM
     Afro

    I agree, but it won't be easy.  We are not sufficient in numbers and our voices are not currently heard, as we are still seen as descendents of satan.

    These barriers will slowly be broken down once each and over Muslim sees the evidence, and attempts to refute it.

    Sadly, it may have to take something like 9/11 again to heighten peoples awareness of the problem.
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  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #8 - January 22, 2009, 03:09 PM
    Quote from: a.ghazali on January 22, 2009, 01:46 PM
    From their point of view such recommendations keep the marriage together, the family stable and the honour of the society intact. Such benefits are more important.

    No consideration for the woman really.

    That is why Islamic teachings need to be exposed so that some of it can be diluted. We we need skip past the rhetoric of respect to ensure future generations are no longer subjected to intimidation and abuse.


    One of the major problems in Islam, IMO is the whole group/clan mentality.  Yes, community cohiesiveness is good but when it's entirely at the expense of the individual then it will eventually break down.  What modern Islam needs is a middle way between the welfare of the clan and the welfare of the individual, unfortunately since individualism is seen as a western decandance this, too will take time to come about. 

    In the meantime more girls and women (and some men and boys, I admit) will still suffer at the hands of their parents and community 'elders', their hopes and dreams washed away by the overwhelming tide of honour.
    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #9 - January 22, 2009, 03:40 PM
    Quote from: Nour on January 22, 2009, 03:09 PM
    Yes, community cohiesiveness is good but when it's entirely at the expense of the individual then it will eventually break down.  What modern Islam needs is a middle way between the welfare of the clan and the welfare of the individual, unfortunately since individualism is seen as a western decandance this, too will take time to come about. 


    I disagree, Islam has always championed individualism...  As long it is championed by those adorned with a penis.
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  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #10 - January 22, 2009, 04:36 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 22, 2009, 03:40 PM
    Quote from: Nour on January 22, 2009, 03:09 PM
    Yes, community cohiesiveness is good but when it's entirely at the expense of the individual then it will eventually break down.  What modern Islam needs is a middle way between the welfare of the clan and the welfare of the individual, unfortunately since individualism is seen as a western decandance this, too will take time to come about. 


    I disagree, Islam has always championed individualism...  As long it is championed by those adorned with a penis.

    I kind of disagree, Islam oppresses males too.
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #11 - January 22, 2009, 04:38 PM
    How so?  refresh my memory.  Tongue
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #12 - January 22, 2009, 04:44 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on January 22, 2009, 04:38 PM
    How so?  refresh my memory.  Tongue

    Was this directed to me? An apostate is persecuted regardless of gender, right? As a matter of fact, female apostates are only "jailed for life" whereas male apostates are killed outright.
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #13 - January 22, 2009, 04:46 PM
    Quote from: Zaephon on January 22, 2009, 04:44 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on January 22, 2009, 04:38 PM
    How so?  refresh my memory.  Tongue

    Was this directed to me? An apostate is persecuted regardless of gender, right? As a matter of fact, female apostates are only "jailed for life" whereas male apostates are killed outright.


    True, but how many more things can you think of in which the man is equally, or more oppressed than women?

    Apostacy and homosexuality are two I can think of, but what else?
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #14 - January 22, 2009, 04:58 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on January 22, 2009, 04:46 PM
    True, but how many more things can you think of in which the man is equally, or more oppressed than women?

    Apostacy and homosexuality are two I can think of, but what else?

    Well of course Islam oppresses women more, we all know it. But there are some male-specific issues too. The rejection of conscientious objection is an important issue, for example. Islam considers me a warrior by birth and I am compelled to fight for the sake of Jihad. Why do I have suffer the pain and possible death?
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #15 - January 22, 2009, 05:19 PM
    OT: Does anyone know if abortion is haram for a woman who was raped?
    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #16 - January 22, 2009, 08:04 PM
    Quote from: Iggy on January 22, 2009, 05:19 PM
    OT: Does anyone know if abortion is haram for a woman who was raped?


    As far as I know, abortion in Islam is haram, period.
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  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #17 - January 22, 2009, 09:07 PM
    Quote from: Iggy on January 22, 2009, 05:19 PM
    OT: Does anyone know if abortion is haram for a woman who was raped?

    I believe that in Islam as a Allah does not decide if a foetus is male or female until a couple of weeks in, (about 3 or 4?), the foetus does not have a soul until that point and may be aborted up until this point.

    Rape is beside the point, as it does not exist (in Islam).
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #18 - January 22, 2009, 10:56 PM
    Quote from: Tommy on January 22, 2009, 08:04 PM
    Quote from: Iggy on January 22, 2009, 05:19 PM
    OT: Does anyone know if abortion is haram for a woman who was raped?


    As far as I know, abortion in Islam is haram, period.

    I am not sure if abortion is haram. Religious people of all creeds do not like abortion because abortion cuts down in the number of followers vs the other followers. But I do not think islam is against abortion. I think islam is so far into pre-destination that islam is quite incapable of justifying a ban on abortion within its scripture.

    i.e.: You can not bring a soul a minute too early or a minute too late, etc.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #19 - January 23, 2009, 06:35 AM
    Quote from: Iggy on January 22, 2009, 05:19 PM
    OT: Does anyone know if abortion is haram for a woman who was raped?


    According to Muhammad a woman does not get pregnant unless Allah wills it. And if a soul is to be born it would be regardless of what man did.

    So technically once a woman is pregnant, rape or no rape, itss because Allah has ordained that pregnancy. So abortion should be termed as haram.

    Bit that's just looking at it from one angle.
    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #20 - January 23, 2009, 06:39 AM
    You the mufti now?

    Fatwa
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #21 - January 23, 2009, 06:57 AM
    Quote from: awais on January 23, 2009, 06:39 AM
    You the mufti now?

    Just saying!

    From the link:
    Quote
    2 ? If the pregnancy is in the first stage, which is a period of forty days, and aborting it serves a legitimate purpose or will ward off harm, then it is permissible to abort it....


    It does not state what is a legitimate purpose. What is warding off harm?

    Is rape a legitimate purpose?

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: Islamic Lunacy
     Reply #22 - January 23, 2009, 07:05 AM
    Quote from: a.ghazali on January 23, 2009, 06:57 AM
    From the link:
    Quote
    2 ? If the pregnancy is in the first stage, which is a period of forty days, and aborting it serves a legitimate purpose or will ward off harm, then it is permissible to abort it....

    It does not state what is a legitimate purpose. What is warding off harm?

    Is rape a legitimate purpose?

    Quote from: Qur'an 5:101
    O you who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.

    When I was muslim, I would've took my own interpretation, and left it at that. This I considered 'Allah's mercy', not being too specific. Wink
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
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