The President of the USA and foreign policy

1« Previous thread | Next thread »
- Charles
- Ex-Muslim
- I'll go down with this forum
- offline
The President of the USA and foreign policy
OP - January 28, 2009, 07:10 AM

Let's not discuss the "American Way".

How do you feel about the President and his dreams.

As members of the forum,

"What do you feel about current US Presidency policy " - given its rebirth.

There will be no white flag above our door
- Anti-Jihadist
- Pub Regular
- offline
Re: The President of the USA and foreign policy
Reply #1 - January 28, 2009, 04:26 PM

Anything for peace and I truly hope with Barak as prez, we might get some peace after all.

I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
- a.ghazali
- Ex-Muslim
- offline
Re: The President of the USA and foreign policy
Reply #2 - January 28, 2009, 04:33 PM

He seems to be a breath of fresh air. Compared to what prevailed in the last few decades.

He has spoken of hope and change in the world, he seems to be a man of action and pundits wiser than I seem to have confidence in him.

But only time will tell how it all turns out.

Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
- Buster
- Pub Regular
- offline
Re: The President of the USA and foreign policy
Reply #3 - January 28, 2009, 04:47 PM

He's a politician from Cook County, Chicago.The most corrupt county in America.

He's brought the Bonnie and Clyde of American politics back to Washington and appointed her to Secretary of State for no other reason so that he doesn't have to run against her in 2012. He's using cabinet positions for crass political gain.

His Treasury Secretary is not only a willing tax cheat who now oversees the IRS, but also was instrumental in turning the other way while banks and brokerage houses ran a ponzi scheme that cost this country trillions of dollars. He was kept in Washington because he not only knows where the bodies are buried, but he knows how to keep them buried.

He made a campaign promise to not appoint anyone to his cabinet who lobbied in the last five years or so, yet did just that to a guy who lobbied defense contractors and basically said it was ok because we just needed this guy in this position so much.

He went back on his promise to not take private funds for his political campaign, raised and took more money from corporations than any politician in US history, and now refuses to let anyone "see the books" so to speak to find out where the rest of the money came from.

I could go on and on and on, but it will make little difference because so many people are true believers and nothing that happens will matter to them. It's scary. I can't believe some of the conversations people are having at work about how he's so different than any other politician we've ever had, and how we finally have a president who means what he says etc. It's not just what they say, it's the weird look they have in their eyes when saying it. If past presidents got away with the things they did when they had low approval ratings going into office, what can this guy get away with given the complete absence of any sort of healthy skepticism by so many?

I suppose you have to live here to know what I mean. I'm not sure how the rest of the world feels about it.
- Anti-Jihadist
- Pub Regular
- offline
Re: The President of the USA and foreign policy
Reply #4 - January 28, 2009, 04:58 PM

I do live here in US, but what you keep forgetting is that Barak is also a politician.

I was not blessed with the ability to have blind faith. I cant beleive something just because someone says its true.
- Buster
- Pub Regular
- offline
Re: The President of the USA and foreign policy
Reply #5 - January 28, 2009, 05:08 PM

Quote from: Anti-Jihadist on January 28, 2009, 04:58 PM
I do live here in US, but what you keep forgetting is that Barak is also a politician.

Oh I do know he's a politician, that's my point! He's a politician no different than any other, which is why I get alarmed at the cult of personality that surrounds him.

Case in point, did you watch any of the Sunday morning talk shows when he nominated Hillary to Secretary of State? They all praised him as a brilliant strategist for clearing the playing field in 2012. No one though, asked the obvious question, is that what cabinet positions are made for, to clear the playing field? Even when he does something nefarious he's praised for it. Yet those same people, like George Stephanapolous "weep" as he's sworn in. All this swooning and references to Camelot are creepy.

And as I said, the conversations I've heard and interviews I've read are laughable. One of the Hollywood stars said he felt like "God spoke to him" when he gave his inaugural speech

People need to get a grip and realize who and what this man is and quit engaging in these weird fantasies. Skepticism is a rare commodity for far too many people right now.
- osmanthus
- Cave dwelling
- Pub Regular
- Fingerer of piglets
- offline
Re: The President of the USA and foreign policy
Reply #6 - January 29, 2009, 05:27 AM

Meh. As long as he's effective I wont worry too much about it. Anything involved with your presidential elections always looks bonkers to outsiders. The McPalin debacle was epic lunacy as well. I wouldn't trust those clowns anywhere.

Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West.
- Buster
- Pub Regular
- offline
Re: The President of the USA and foreign policy
Reply #7 - January 29, 2009, 05:47 AM

Quote from: osmanthus on January 29, 2009, 05:27 AM
Meh. As long as he's effective I wont worry too much about it. Anything involved with your presidential elections always looks bonkers to outsiders. The McPalin debacle was epic lunacy as well. I wouldn't trust those clowns anywhere.

Define effective then. When you look at what's being proposed in Washington right now, I don't want him to be effective. The so-called stimulus package is an outrage. All it is is a pet project wish list of wasteful earmarks. They don't call them earmarks though, they call them "shovel ready projects".

The shovel is needed alright.
- osmanthus
- Cave dwelling
- Pub Regular
- Fingerer of piglets
- offline
Re: The President of the USA and foreign policy
Reply #8 - January 29, 2009, 05:50 AM

Quote from: Buster on January 29, 2009, 05:47 AM
Define effective then.

Definition: does not make things more fuckerated than they are now. Hopefully makes them a bit better.

Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West.
- aife
- Member
- offline
Re: The President of the USA and foreign policy
Reply #9 - January 29, 2009, 05:59 AM

I'm cautiosly optimistic about obama . I didn't like all that moronic 'yes we can ' stuff , but I guess you need to indulge in that kind of stuff if you want to get elected in the US . He seems like a pretty shrewd character but we'll have to wait and see what he actually does . If nothing else it should at least present the opportunity for america to forge better relationships with some of the countries / groups Dubya and his boys alienated , and help to heal some of the bitterness around race that still lingers in america .
I do find some of the euphoria a bit over the top though . I remember a similar kind of mood when Blair was first elected , again fuelled largely by relief at seeing the back of a disastrous regime . I hope we're not in for a similar disenchantment.
- Iggy
- Ex-Muslim
- offline
Re: The President of the USA and foreign policy
Reply #10 - January 29, 2009, 07:14 AM

Quote from: aife on January 29, 2009, 05:59 AM
I'm cautiosly optimistic about obama . I hope we're not in for a similar disenchantment.

Meh. I mean, just look at his appointments.

"Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
- Emma Goldman
1« Previous thread | Next thread »