She flipped, can't believe it lol.
This is how the conversation is currently progressing (her arguments are so bad :/)
Marina
(that's me)i told my dad the other day that im agnostic
that took a lot of courage
3:35pmOfrahaza
lol wots one of them?
3:35pmMarina
someone who isnt sure whether god exists or now
i stopped believing in god a year ago
3:36pmOfrahaza
omg
3:36pmMarina
we had a massive debate about islam
3:36pmOfrahaza
marina god does exist
3:36pmMarina
ive researched and i dont think he does
'god does eixist' is hardly conclusive proof
3:36pmOfrahaza
bt werent u muslim b4?
3:37pmMarina
im surprised you didnt see that coming, my pics hardly depict me as a muslim afterall
i was sortof, i used to follow my own ideological version of islam
3:37pmOfrahaza
ok
bt think abt it
3:38pmMarina
i have
more than you have most likely
i debate on religious forums all the time
have yet to be convinced
3:38pmOfrahaza
nah i know it exists
i read buks
3:38pmMarina
i have nothing against those with faith but i lost my faith ages ago
ive read plenty too
3:39pmOfrahaza
i know its hard to convince an atheist
wot did ur parents say
3:39pmMarina
after reading about the arab conquests i doubt i'll ever go back to islam
3:39pmOfrahaza
rnt ther mad
3:39pmMarina
my dad encouraged me to read more
but i think he understands that i have a lot of problems
he's not mad
he's glad im thinking about it
3:40pmOfrahaza
seriously
and ur mum
3:40pmMarina
yep, he surprised me
mum will do what dad does lol
i know they'll never accept it fully
but i know my dad will tolerate it
3:41pmOfrahaza
i know i cant force u to belive in allah
bt u need to have faith, u shud watch the documentries on facebuk
called arrivals
n ur perception mite change
3:42pmMarina
i need more than faith
3:42pmOfrahaza
its gives u prove
3:42pmMarina
the more i research islam the more i see it is made up by men
what proof?
there isnt any
3:42pmOfrahaza
ther is
3:42pmMarina
what is it?
3:42pmOfrahaza
the whole media is contolled
just makin islam to b wrong
cos ther know its the true religion
3:43pmMarina
i'm not dumb enough to take the media at its word
3:43pmOfrahaza
the quran is the first source
3:43pmMarina
im studying the quran and hadiths
3:43pmOfrahaza
nothin or no one can contradict it
3:43pmMarina
that is not proof
3:43pmOfrahaza
ye well the prophet sed everythin for a reason
ofcourse it is
3:44pmMarina
however abrogations are contradictions
3:44pmOfrahaza
just watch the arrivals
i know marina its ur life at the end of the day
n its nt for me to force u, bt its upsetin findin out ur views av changed
its lyk ur goin into darkness
3:46pmMarina
actually im going in to the light
quite frankly i would never follow god even if he did exist
3:46pmOfrahaza
i dnt think so
well then dats lyk worshipin devil
3:47pmMarina
anybody who would willingly torture people just because they didnt believe in them is a sadist
i dont worship anybody
3:47pmOfrahaza
thats all media
3:47pmMarina
whats media?
3:47pmOfrahaza
islam doesnt allow this
3:47pmMarina
hell is a part of islam
3:47pmOfrahaza
the media r portrayin islam as bad
3:47pmMarina
ffs
3:47pmOfrahaza
islam is religion of peace
3:47pmMarina
im not talking about the media]
im talking about god in general
3:48pmOfrahaza
well god doesnt want ppl to punish one anoda
3:48pmMarina
research the conquests and how silam spread, youll see how peaceful it really is
3:48pmOfrahaza
he is testing us on earth
3:48pmMarina
and then he will torture people in hell
3:48pmOfrahaza
ye well the kufr were killin muslims
3:48pmMarina
without giving us concrete proof he exists
muslims were killing them
they declared war
3:49pmOfrahaza
no
ther statred it
3:49pmMarina
unless they surrendered
no they didnt
that isnt how islam spread
3:49pmOfrahaza
ther were torturing muslims
3:49pmMarina
what a lie
3:49pmOfrahaza
for beliving in one god
3:49pmMarina
nobody was torturing muslims
3:49pmOfrahaza
its nt a lie
yes ther were
3:49pmMarina
muslims went around taking over other countried
enslaving people
3:49pmOfrahaza
the arabs werent muslim b4
3:49pmMarina
taking concubines
and?
they became muslims
and spread it
through war
3:50pmOfrahaza
ppl bcme mumslim bcos of how muhammed pbuh portrayed islam
the media made him out to b bad
3:50pmMarina
The Great Arab Conquests -
Hugh Kennedy is a great unbiased book about how islam spread and changed the world
media has nothing to do with it
3:51pmOfrahaza
yes ther do
3:51pmMarina
media doesnt influence history
3:51pmOfrahaza
portrying muhammed with pics
insultin him
3:51pmMarina
it influences its interpretation
3:51pmOfrahaza
just cos he spred true religion
3:51pmMarina
i studied the actual history
why does god need to use war to spread his wonderful religion?
3:52pmOfrahaza
god doesnt say killl ppl
3:52pmMarina
yes he does
3:52pmOfrahaza
no
3:52pmMarina
said it plenty of times in the quran
3:52pmOfrahaza
war is a means to end
3:52pmMarina
and in history he's killed em
3:52pmOfrahaza
well y r americans having war
3:52pmMarina
the plague where the first born sons died?
3:53pmOfrahaza
ther belive in god
y use war
3:53pmMarina
noahs ark and allowing everyone else to be drowned?
3:53pmOfrahaza
ther just point it out in quran
by the way the quran is the only buk that ther cant change
3:53pmMarina
war is unforgivable
the bible hasnt changed either
3:54pmOfrahaza
ofcourse it has
new testament
its all bin infiltered
3:54pmMarina
their two different books
3:54pmOfrahaza
n changed
so has torah
quran was the final one
3:54pmMarina
they found plenty of old manuscripts
which stated the same things
it hasnt been changed
3:55pmOfrahaza
bible has
3:55pmMarina
its been very well preserved
3:55pmOfrahaza
wots all this 3 spirit thing
3:55pmMarina
whats all this one god thing? the polytheists would find you mad
3:55pmOfrahaza
that nva existeed
its depcts the egyptian god horus
polythesits r mad
there is one god
3:56pmMarina
prove it
3:56pmOfrahaza
n no one can deny that
3:56pmMarina
yes thy can
3:56pmOfrahaza
well ther dumb
3:56pmMarina
they'd say the same to you
3:57pmOfrahaza
look at the nature around us
3:57pmMarina
what about it?
3:57pmOfrahaza
does itt look lyk a big bang cud have created that
3:57pmMarina
it doesnt explicitly state 'I was made by one god'
yes it does
3:57pmOfrahaza
lol
3:57pmMarina
there is more than enough evidence for evolution
3:57pmOfrahaza
evoloution is bull
ok then
wot abt titanic
ther sed its unsinkable ship
n god cudnt even make it sink
3:58pmMarina
and?
3:58pmOfrahaza
well he did didnt he
3:58pmMarina
people can be wrong...
god didnt sick it, an iceberg it
did*
sink*
3:59pmOfrahaza
welll god cud make it hit iceberg
wot abt the rocket challnger
3:59pmMarina
there is far more holes in creationism then there is in evolution
3:59pmOfrahaza
no iceberg hit that
3:59pmMarina
engine fault?
3:59pmOfrahaza
evoloution is ridicoulous
3:59pmMarina
why would god destroy them anyway?
that is unbelievably cruel
4:00pmOfrahaza
bcos ther were challngin god
4:00pmMarina
why is evolution ridiculous?
4:00pmOfrahaza
who else were ther challenging
4:00pmMarina
we've observed it happening
they werent challenging god at all
4:00pmOfrahaza
n how can a bang create things
chek the details out in plants
4:01pmMarina
the big bang did not create anything, the big bounce is a more respectable theory and there is the possibility that the universe always existed
4:01pmOfrahaza
i dnt belive that
4:01pmMarina
if we find the god particle then there is a possibility that we are quantum fluctuations
and if thats true then the universe has always existed
nothingness is unstable
there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum
4:02pmOfrahaza
its stupid
4:02pmMarina
every vacuum is full of virtual particles popping in and out of existence
4:02pmOfrahaza
i dnt think a bang cud do that
4:02pmMarina
what couldnt a bang do?
its evidence that something it happened as the universe is expanding
4:03pmOfrahaza
well tink abt it, can u make a person
4:03pmMarina
it may be wrong but there is not alternative theory
4:03pmOfrahaza
look how perfectly were made
4:03pmMarina
yes, by having sex
4:03pmOfrahaza
did a bang do thay
that
4:03pmMarina
we're not perfect at all
we are full of so many flaws
4:03pmOfrahaza
ye bt who made us
4:03pmMarina
flaws left over by evolution
we have genes for tails
why do we have those?
does god have a weird sense of humour?
who made god?
4:04pmOfrahaza
no one
he was ther first
n he makes us ppl ill to relise how weak we r
4:04pmMarina
viruses and bacteria make us ill
a product of evolution
4:05pmOfrahaza
actually we feel helpless
4:05pmMarina
if god can 'just' be there then why cant the universe just be there?
no we don't, we develop medicine
4:05pmOfrahaza
bcos god created it
4:05pmMarina
and who created him?
4:05pmOfrahaza
ye bt that medicine cant d nothin for us
its upto god
4:07pmMarina
umm no
it does do us good
4:07pmOfrahaza
not all the time
4:07pmMarina
if god can intervene then show the evidence
we shouldnt be able to make better and better medicine if god can intervene
4:08pmOfrahaza
well no matter how much u give medicine, thers no guarantee hell gt btaa
4:08pmMarina
ofcourse there isnt
science isnt about guarentees
4:08pmOfrahaza
god is showing u strennght of human mind
which he created
4:08pmMarina
it is about improving through testing
strength of human mind? why does he drive people to suicide?
theres only so much people can take
all youve done is make him out to be some evil sadist
4:09pmOfrahaza
bcos ther go on wrong path
4:09pmMarina
who likes to do evil just to prove he can
and those on the right path?
why inflict evil on them?
4:09pmOfrahaza
bcome deluded in stuff allah has specifically sed inn koran to keep away from
alchol n stufff
bt hes given us a choice
4:10pmMarina
you can follow the quran to the littlest things and you can still become evil
4:10pmOfrahaza
n those who commit sucide n ignore him end up dat way
4:10pmMarina
i mena ill*
not evil
alcohol isnt the only thing that makes you ill
plenty of muslims suffer by becoming ill
4:11pmOfrahaza
ye bt god makes u ill to show u how helpless we r as individuals
4:11pmMarina
they must be on the wrong path according to your logic
no, bacteria and viruses make us ill
4:11pmOfrahaza
no its the rite ath
4:11pmMarina
and we develop medicince to get better
4:11pmOfrahaza
god is creator
4:11pmMarina
so obviously we are not helpless
4:12pmOfrahaza
he can make us ill
ye bt there no guarantee medicines gna work
4:12pmMarina
yes there is, through testing and perfecting...
if it doesnt we find out why
and improve
4:13pmOfrahaza
n who give us the mind to do that, allah
4:13pmMarina
but bacteria and viruses also improve due to evolution meaning we may never be able to completely beat them
no, nobody did
we simply evolved this way
4:14pmOfrahaza
well wen god created universe, he made it so he can test us
n he made the earth this way to alow it
4:14pmMarina
test us why?
Ofrahaza
to c if we belive in him or fall into wrong path
4:15pmMarina
why not just show himself so we can actually believe in him
This is quite funny
Topic: So, told my muslim friend I left Islam...