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  • How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     OP - February 06, 2009, 11:46 PM
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/20/AR2006102001259.html

    Read it if it's something you are interested in.
    oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #1 - February 07, 2009, 11:01 AM
    Nice article A.G. its good to know that Yvonne Ridley has found solace in the faith she's chosen for herself and if she can clear a few misconceptions about the faith, well more power to her. I know quite a few Bohra women who wear the Bohra style burkha and are anything but oppressed and discriminated against, one of them namely my grandmom if anything oppresses her husband.  Wink

    But there are stuff I disagree with in her article:
    As for how Muslim men are allowed to beat their wives -- it's simply not true. Critics of Islam will quote random Koranic verses or hadith, but usually out of context. If a man does raise a finger against his wife, he is not allowed to leave a mark on her body, which is the Koran's way of saying, "Don't beat your wife, stupid."

    Really? Then why not state straightaway that you're not allowed to beat your wife?  Yep_True.

    Then she says What is more important, being judged for the length of your skirt or the size of your surgically enhanced breasts or your character and intelligence?

    Well, if the woman's caracter and intelligence was so well regarded, one male witness wouldn't be equal to two female witnesses in Islam!  MSinghK

    Muslim women 1400 years ago certainly weren't equal to today's Western women given the discriminatory laws of inheritance, divorce and sanctioning of wife beating.Nevertheless, she's pointed out certain positive attributes of Islam as well as criticized the stereotype that veil=oppression and thats' good. Afro



    ~Edited to change font color~
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #2 - February 07, 2009, 11:35 AM
    Good point - it would be nice to put this to her, and she what she has to say.  Often Muslims feel they can interpret what they like, and ignore what they dont.  Sadly its there own synthetic version which they cannot call Islam, as described by their all knowing being.
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  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #3 - February 07, 2009, 01:20 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 07, 2009, 11:35 AM
    Good point - it would be nice to put this to her, and she what she has to say.  Often Muslims feel they can interpret what they like, and ignore what they dont.  Sadly its there own synthetic version which they cannot call Islam, as described by their all knowing being.


    Very true Islame but other faiths like Judaism or Christianity as they exist today too follow synthetic versions and somehow manage to convince themselves and others that it is what their God actually meant or intended and its just people were too foolish to get it until recently. Obviously leaving Islam for atheism isn't something most Muslims are doing at the moment. So if Muslims and Muslim nations can practice some sort of synthetic version keeping what they like and eradicate the intolerant, misogynist stuff  it'll be a sort of progress.  Afro
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #4 - February 07, 2009, 08:21 PM
    I really cannot stand Yvonne Ridley.  She is shrill and an apologist for all sorts of Islamic weirdos.\
     
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    Good point - it would be nice to put this to her, and she what she has to say. 


    From what I've seen, any time anyone challenges her on things she's said or ideas she's put forth as part of 'True Islam (tm)' she can get very, very nasty.  So, actually  might be fun as long as she responds to the baiting.
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  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #5 - February 09, 2009, 03:50 AM
    Delayed Stockholm Syndrome?  The woman is nutz.
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #6 - February 09, 2009, 03:55 AM
    She supports the Taliban, so she supports the violent suppression of women. Nuf said

    She is pond life.  piggy
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #7 - February 09, 2009, 02:02 PM
    I sometimes find women can be their own worst enemies..
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  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #8 - February 09, 2009, 02:05 PM
    Quote from: brucepig on February 09, 2009, 03:55 AM
    She supports the Taliban, so she supports the violent suppression of women. Nuf said

    She is pond life.  piggy


    +1.  Afro
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #9 - February 09, 2009, 02:58 PM
    Quote from: brucepig on February 09, 2009, 03:55 AM
    She supports the Taliban, so she supports the violent suppression of women. Nuf said

    She is pond life.  piggy


    That's like saying everyone who supports the british government was in favour of the war in Iraq. So they're all pond life too are they?
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #10 - February 09, 2009, 03:11 PM
    I'm trying to think of the redeeming qualities the Taliban may possess and I'm not finding too many.

    How can any woman support the Taliban knowing how they treat women in particular, and people in general?
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #11 - February 09, 2009, 03:15 PM
    And I go to check the news, and as par for the course, the Taliban has sawed the head off another innocent, filmed it, and released it to the world:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,489805,00.html

    Allahu Akbar  finmad

  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #12 - February 09, 2009, 03:48 PM
    Quote from: Buster on February 09, 2009, 03:11 PM
    I'm trying to think of the redeeming qualities the Taliban may possess and I'm not finding too many.

    How can any woman support the Taliban knowing how they treat women in particular, and people in general?


    You'd have to ask one, but like everybody, no doubt they will be full of justification and will be keen to point out that we are looking at it in the right way. Cry
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #13 - February 09, 2009, 04:05 PM
    Quote from: Buster on February 09, 2009, 03:11 PM
    I'm trying to think of the redeeming qualities the Taliban may possess and I'm not finding too many.

    How can any woman support the Taliban knowing how they treat women in particular, and people in general?


    They are conditioned from birth to believe that they must serve their husbands. They see it as a virtue walking in the shadows of their husbands. As a sacrifice of faith in this life to be awarded paradise in the next.

    They are subdued into believing they are inferior to men (first father, then husband and then sons).

    They truly believe that is their position in life. I know from hearing elders speak about the virtues of women and their rightful place. They support it because they are born to belief its the best path for women.
    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #14 - February 09, 2009, 04:23 PM
    Quote from: a.ghazali on February 09, 2009, 04:05 PM
    Quote from: Buster on February 09, 2009, 03:11 PM
    I'm trying to think of the redeeming qualities the Taliban may possess and I'm not finding too many.

    How can any woman support the Taliban knowing how they treat women in particular, and people in general?


    They are conditioned from birth to believe that they must serve their husbands. They see it as a virtue walking in the


    Yvonne Ridley wasn't.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #15 - February 09, 2009, 04:25 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on February 09, 2009, 04:23 PM

    Yvonne Ridley wasn't.


    No, but for all you know she was brought up to feel inferior too.  It's not just muslims who treat women like shit, loads of men do too.  The idea of superiority of gender has never been an exclusive of muslims.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #16 - February 09, 2009, 04:26 PM
    Quote from: a.ghazali on February 09, 2009, 04:05 PM
    Quote from: Buster on February 09, 2009, 03:11 PM
    I'm trying to think of the redeeming qualities the Taliban may possess and I'm not finding too many.

    How can any woman support the Taliban knowing how they treat women in particular, and people in general?


    They are conditioned from birth to believe that they must serve their husbands. They see it as a virtue walking in the shadows of their husbands. As a sacrifice of faith in this life to be awarded paradise in the next.

    They are subdued into believing they are inferior to men (first father, then husband and then sons).

    They truly believe that is their position in life. I know from hearing elders speak about the virtues of women and their rightful place. They support it because they are born to belief its the best path for women.


    I understand why women who live under the bootheel of the Taliban believe these things, but what, pray tell, excuse do women brought up in the West have to support the Taliban in any degree or fashion?

    Pretty smug of them if you ask me, given that they don't have to live such a wretched and degrading life. The same goes for the men who sympathize with the Taliban and are self-appointed apologists for that bunch of monsters.
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #17 - February 09, 2009, 04:28 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 09, 2009, 04:25 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on February 09, 2009, 04:23 PM

    Yvonne Ridley wasn't.


    No, but for all you know she was brought up to feel inferior too.  It's not just muslims who treat women like shit, loads of men do too.  The idea of superiority of gender has never been an exclusive of muslims.


    But Berbs, I think you'd agree that what women in the West deal with is nothing compared to what women living under the Taliban deal with. Someone would have to have a complete lack of empathy for women in particular, and people in general to be an apologist for that bunch.
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #18 - February 09, 2009, 05:39 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 09, 2009, 04:25 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on February 09, 2009, 04:23 PM

    Yvonne Ridley wasn't.


    No, but for all you know she was brought up to feel inferior too.  It's not just muslims who treat women like shit, loads of men do too.  The idea of superiority of gender has never been an exclusive of muslims.



    I don't think becoming a journalist in a predominantly male environment, covering stories in war torn lands, etc, sounds the job of someone with low self esteem.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #19 - February 09, 2009, 05:40 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on February 09, 2009, 05:39 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 09, 2009, 04:25 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on February 09, 2009, 04:23 PM

    Yvonne Ridley wasn't.


    No, but for all you know she was brought up to feel inferior too.  It's not just muslims who treat women like shit, loads of men do too.  The idea of superiority of gender has never been an exclusive of muslims.



    I don't think becoming a journalist in a predominantly male environment, covering stories in war torn lands, etc, sounds the job of someone with low self esteem.


    You missed the part where she was an alcoholic, which obviously doesn't happen to people who don't have issues.  Wink
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #20 - February 09, 2009, 10:48 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 09, 2009, 05:40 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on February 09, 2009, 05:39 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 09, 2009, 04:25 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on February 09, 2009, 04:23 PM

    Yvonne Ridley wasn't.


    No, but for all you know she was brought up to feel inferior too.  It's not just muslims who treat women like shit, loads of men do too.  The idea of superiority of gender has never been an exclusive of muslims.



    I don't think becoming a journalist in a predominantly male environment, covering stories in war torn lands, etc, sounds the job of someone with low self esteem.


    You missed the part where she was an alcoholic, which obviously doesn't happen to people who don't have issues.  Wink



    Regardless of what she was or wasn't, she sure is nuts now Smiley
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #21 - February 10, 2009, 11:15 AM
    Have any of you ever read her book 'In the Hands of the Taliban'.  It's her description of how she was treated whilst imprisoned by the Taliban.  Appearantly they were quite gentlemanly with her but I think that has to do with the fact that a) she's a foreign woman and b) they didn't know how to deal with a mouthy Western women so they took the path of least resistance and decided to tread softly around her.

    I still agree with you that she is nutso and views Islam through rose coloured spectacles.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hands-Taliban-Yvonne-Ridley/dp/1861054955/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1234264432&sr=1-1

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  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #22 - February 10, 2009, 12:22 PM
    Quote from: Nour on February 10, 2009, 11:15 AM
    Have any of you ever read her book 'In the Hands of the Taliban'.  It's her description of how she was treated whilst imprisoned by the Taliban.  Appearantly they were quite gentlemanly with her but I think that has to do with the fact that a) she's a foreign woman and b) they didn't know how to deal with a mouthy Western women so they took the path of least resistance and decided to tread softly around her.

    I still agree with you that she is nutso and views Islam through rose coloured spectacles.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hands-Taliban-Yvonne-Ridley/dp/1861054955/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1234264432&sr=1-1





    She's indisputably brave - and very far from being 'pond life' as Mr-Piggy suggests.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #23 - February 10, 2009, 12:31 PM
    Quote from: brucepig on February 09, 2009, 03:55 AM
    She supports the Taliban, so she supports the violent suppression of women. Nuf said

    She is pond life.  piggy

    +1  Afro
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #24 - February 10, 2009, 02:10 PM
    Regardless of how the Taliban treated her, we all know, her included, how they treat the average Afghan woman (as well as man and child).

    It's like believing a slave holder isn't a bad guy so long as he's not enslaving me.
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #25 - February 10, 2009, 03:05 PM
    Quote from: Buster on February 09, 2009, 04:28 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 09, 2009, 04:25 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on February 09, 2009, 04:23 PM

    Yvonne Ridley wasn't.


    No, but for all you know she was brought up to feel inferior too.  It's not just muslims who treat women like shit, loads of men do too.  The idea of superiority of gender has never been an exclusive of muslims.


    But Berbs, I think you'd agree that what women in the West deal with is nothing compared to what women living under the Taliban deal with. Someone would have to have a complete lack of empathy for women in particular, and people in general to be an apologist for that bunch.

    Maybe she's desensitized to the suffering of those women due to the fact that she lives in the West and does not have to deal with such conditions?

    Where does it actually say she supports the Taliban?
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  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #26 - February 10, 2009, 03:20 PM
    Quote from: Zaephon on February 10, 2009, 12:31 PM
    Quote from: brucepig on February 09, 2009, 03:55 AM
    She supports the Taliban, so she supports the violent suppression of women. Nuf said

    She is pond life.  piggy

    +1  Afro



    Coming from the likes of you, it means nothing.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #27 - February 10, 2009, 04:16 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on February 10, 2009, 03:05 PM
    Quote from: Buster on February 09, 2009, 04:28 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on February 09, 2009, 04:25 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on February 09, 2009, 04:23 PM

    Yvonne Ridley wasn't.


    No, but for all you know she was brought up to feel inferior too.  It's not just muslims who treat women like shit, loads of men do too.  The idea of superiority of gender has never been an exclusive of muslims.


    But Berbs, I think you'd agree that what women in the West deal with is nothing compared to what women living under the Taliban deal with. Someone would have to have a complete lack of empathy for women in particular, and people in general to be an apologist for that bunch.

    Maybe she's desensitized to the suffering of those women due to the fact that she lives in the West and does not have to deal with such conditions?

    Where does it actually say she supports the Taliban?


    It's one thing to be desensitized to the actions of the Taliban when one lives in Afghanistan, it's another to live in a Western country and become desensitized to the actions of the Taliban when they're brutalizing other people through beheadings and worse.

    The article doesn't say she supports the Taliban. Posters here have said she does. Youtube is full of videos of this moron like this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkN6P8Bp7jE&feature=PlayList&p=B586B28261753554&playnext=1&index=70

    More of this nonsense about how they treated her so nicely and were so concerned about her well-being so they can't be that bad. 

    What a stupid, stupid woman. I remember one of the videos smuggled out when the Taliban still ruled all of Afghanistan and seeing a woman begging in the street for scraps of moldy bread to feed her children. But because Yvonne was offered lots of nice smelling food, that woman, and millions more like her, really don't matter  finmad

    She's actually being sarcastic about how most civilized people view the Taliban based on how she was treated by them. Let's dress her in a burka, not tell them who she is, set her loose in an area they control and then let's see this idiot downplay their brutality then. I guess all this barbarism we've seen from them is all a lie. The poor Taliban have simply gotten a bad rap and are completely misunderstood, despite their beheading of innocents and the like.

    She's a stupid bitch.
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #28 - February 10, 2009, 04:34 PM
    Yvonne's gentlemen:

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    Oct. 2, 2001 | The film footage is wobbly and blurry but stunning: A soccer stadium in Afghanistan is packed with people, but there is no match today. Instead, a pickup truck drives into the stadium with three women, shrouded in burqas, cowering in the back.

    Armed men in turbans force a woman from the truck, and make her kneel at the penalty line on the field. Confused and unable to see, the woman tries to look behind just as a rifle is pointed against the back of her head. With no fanfare whatsoever, she is shot dead. The shaky video camera captures the cheering crowd as people rise to their feet, hoping to get a better view of the corpse on the ground. The blue folds of the burqa begin to stain red with blood.     

    Quote
    In documenting life under the Taliban, Shah went into the homes of the Afghan people and onto the battlefields, cleverly evading the Department of Vice and Virtue, which would have thrown her in jail for filming illegally (all unsanctioned filming is forbidden). She visited territory occupied by the Northern Alliance, and visited a village where the Taliban had brutally murdered dozens of civilians just weeks earlier -- a local wedding photographer had filmed the scene as villagers buried rotting bodies that had been scalped and mutilated. There, Shah also interviewed three teenage girls whose mother had been shot dead by the Taliban. They were so traumatized by the atrocities that the Taliban subsequently inflicted upon them that two of them would no longer speak.


    http://www.rawa.org/salon.htm

    Shame on Ynonne and those shit for brains morons who laughed with her.

    Hey Yvonne, they made you nice smelling food! Laugh some more you idiot bitch.
     
  • Re: How I Came to Love the Veil by Yvonne Ridley
     Reply #29 - February 10, 2009, 04:38 PM

    Here is one of her charming viewpoints aired at a conference in Copenhagen


    Quote
    At the "Muslimer i Dialog" conference in Copenhagen in September 2005, Ridley was asked if she didn't see it as a problem that militant Islamists distribute recruiting videos of Iraqi insurgents killing hostages. She replied that it was necessary for Muslims to have these videos at home as an alternative form of news to what she perceived as the propaganda of Western media.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvonne_Ridley
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