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  • The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     OP - February 13, 2009, 02:46 PM


    Hatred is turning me into a Jew



    By Nick Cohen.


    My name is Nick Cohen, and I think I?m turning into a Jew. Despite being called ?Cohen?, I?ve never been Jewish before. It?s not simply that I am an atheist. My Jewish friends tell me that it is hard to find an educated London Jew who is not an atheist, but that I have no connection with Jewish culture.

    The Jewish side of my family is my father?s (which is not a help, I gather). My great grandparents fled from the Tsarist Empire at the time of the pogroms, but their son, my grandfather, revolted. He became a Communist and married outside the faith. My father was brought up with no connection to Judaism and, inevitably, so was I.

    My sole interest in Jewish concerns came from being a left-wing opponent of the far Right, and the blood-soaked antisemitic superstitions which turned Europe into a graveyard. When I was young, such attitudes seemed unproblematic. You did not have to be a Jew to oppose fascism; everyone I knew did that regardless of colour or creed.

    Today the old certainties have gone because there are two far-right movements: the white neo-Nazi parties that the Left still opposes; and the clerical fascists of radical Islam which, extraordinarily, the modern Left succours and indulges. I am not only talking about Ken Livingstone, George Galloway and their gruesome accomplices in the intelligentsia. Wider liberal society is almost as complicit. It does not applaud the Islamist far Right, but it will not condemn it either. From the broadcasters, through the liberal press, the Civil Service, the Metropolitan Police, the bench of bishops and the judiciary, antisemitism is no longer an unthinkable mental deformation. As long as the conspiracy theories of the counter-enlightenment come from ideologues with dark rather than white skins, nominally liberal men and women will not speak out.

    Fight back and you become a Jew, whether you are or not. Mark Lawson recently described an argument at the BBC over the corporation?s decision not to screen the charity appeal for Gaza. His furious colleague declared that the only reason Lawson supported the ban was because he was Jewish. Lawson had to tell him that he was, in fact, raised a Catholic.

    A furious Labour MP was no different when he told a colleague of mine that I had gone off the rails when I married a ?hard-right? Jewish woman from North London. My friend replied that this would be news to my wife, a liberal Catholic from Stoke-on-Trent.

    It was kind of him to point that out, but I would no longer protest that I wasn?t Jewish, and I don?t think Lawson should either. It is cowardly to stammer that you are not a Jew because you concede the racist?s main point ? that there is something suspect about being Jewish ? as you do it.

    In any case, my experience of left-wing antisemitism has changed the way I think and made me, if you like, more Jewish.

    Although I want to see every Israeli settlement on the West Bank dismantled, it was clear to me that when Hamas fired thousands of rockets into Israel it had declared war and had to accept the consequences. I would not have thought that five years ago.

    You do not need me to add that mine is a minority point of view among liberals, and that British Jews are living through a very dangerous period. They are the only ethnic minority whose slaughter official society will excuse. If a mass murderer bombed a mosque or black Pentecostal church, no respectable person would say that the ?root cause? of the crime was an understandable repulsion at the deeds of al-Qaeda or a legitimate opposition to mass immigration. Rightly, they would blame the criminal for the crime.

    If a synagogue is attacked, I guarantee that within minutes the airwaves will be filled with insinuating voices insisting that the ?root cause? of the crime was a rational anger at the behaviour of Israel or the Jewish diaspora.

    Put like this, the position of British Jewry sounds grim. Remember, however, that the first aim of radical Islam is to subjugate Muslims. When brave feminists, gays, democrats and liberals in the Muslim world and in Britain?s Muslim communities make a stand, they, too, are accused of being the tools of Zionists.

    As the struggle between theocracy and liberalism intensifies, I can see some being pushed into taking the same journey I have taken and finding their views towards Judaism and Israel softening as they realise that antisemitism helps drive the fascistic ideologies of the 21st century just as it drove the Nazism of the 20th.

    I will tell them that the opponents of totalitarianism must never be frightened. If their enemies say they are Jews, they should shrug and say: ?All right, I am.? As long as readers of the Jewish Chronicle don?t object, of course.

    Nick Cohen is a columnist for The Observer. His latest collection of essays, ?Waiting for the Etonians: Reports from the Sickbed of Liberal England?, is published this week


    http://www.thejc.com/articles/hatred-turning-me-a-jew

  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #1 - February 13, 2009, 02:53 PM

    Great analysis.  Afro

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #2 - February 13, 2009, 03:00 PM

    That explains my journey from anti Israel Left to pro Israel Left in one article.......
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #3 - February 13, 2009, 03:58 PM

    That explains my journey from anti Israel Left to pro Israel Left in one article.......

    I think it also explains why I am a Zionist, at least partially. If poor, innocent Muslims did not label all their intellectual opponents as "Zionists" or "Jews" I would be neutral about the whole Middle East affair.

    The destruction of anti-Semitic myths is the prelude to Islamic catharsis. Without this, we cannot desecrate the idols of Islam.

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #4 - February 13, 2009, 04:19 PM

    www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    Good point Zaephon, but we should also mention the trauma of other groups like the idolatrous Buddhists Islam is continuously persecuting in Southern Thailand. Strange as Thailand gives Muslims all equal rights, yet they're mad at the Thai Buddhists, but Malaysia discriminates against the Chinese Buddhists and Indian Hindus, anyone marrying a Muslim has to convert to Islam, and converting out is extremely difficult, there are economic policies like the Bumiputra scheme grossly favoring Malay Muslims,yet Chinese and Indians tolerate all this. tickedoff


    The site I gave a link to is a pretty offensive, FFI type one, and I don't agree with most of the stuff it says, yet I mentioned it as it shows the daily deaths in Southern Thailand which is far more than in Israel. no

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #5 - February 13, 2009, 08:48 PM


    Hatred is turning me into a Jew

    By Nick Cohen...


    Excellent article, Bruce!  Afro
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #6 - February 13, 2009, 09:23 PM

    If a synagogue is attacked, I guarantee that within minutes the airwaves will be filled with insinuating voices insisting that the ?root cause? of the crime was a rational anger at the behaviour of Israel or the Jewish diaspora.

    Put like this, the position of British Jewry sounds grim.


    You couldn't make it up.

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #7 - February 14, 2009, 02:36 AM

    Cheers Hass.

    Zeaphon I live in Thailand and they show horrific photos of blown up bodies (sometimes children) and headless corpses from the Yala region in the papers. They don't hide anything and I can tell you the pictures are grizzly and regular. The trouble in the south is bad.

    The conflict out here is very difficult to blame on America and Israel as the Left continuously does and it kind of lends credence to the "Islam has bloody borders" view of the world.

    I go to Malaysia regularly and it is a very moderate Muslim country although Sharia courts ban shows and exhibitions if they think they are un Islamic, mothers get their children confiscated by the state and go to detention centres be "reeducated" if they convert to Hinduism and there are laws to ensure that people of other faiths are economically hamstrung. Basically Malaysia is one of the most moderate Muslim countries on the planet.

    Kuala Lumpa is a city where you can drink and there are ladyboys roaming the streets un harassed but they severely penalise people for apostasy and they have a system of Dhimmitude.

    If that's liberal Islam then I really hope that there are mass deconversions and Islam can become like the Church of England doomed to fizzle out.
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #8 - February 14, 2009, 02:55 AM

    A note to any anti imperialists who read my last post. Thailand was never colonised by anyone so you can't even use the age old Lefty trick of blaming it on the imperialists of yesteryear.
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #9 - February 14, 2009, 03:07 AM

    Well that will balls things up. It must still be the fault of the West though. Has to be. Couldn't possibly be anything else.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #10 - February 14, 2009, 03:12 AM

    I'm trying to think of how this could be the fault of the West too...

    Hmmm....

    Where's A_G when you need him?

     grin12
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #11 - February 14, 2009, 04:13 AM

    Well it's obviously the fact that so many neighboring countries where colonised by the French and British causing Asia as a whole to have an invisible blanket of trauma which is still with it to this day.

    Then America invaded Vietnam making the region unstable and installing a secret Jewish government that sit in an invisible bunker in Bangkok and control all of Asia.

    This caused Thai Muslims to rise up against the Zionist controlled Buddhist majority who do the bidding of The Americans and Jews.

    This Jewish and American Crusader plot is controlling Asia so that in the short term the Americans can run a pipeline straight from Afghanistan to through all of Indochina to Sumatra where Obama (who is actually George Bush blacked up) has his secret base.

    From Sumatra they plan to launch a massive strike against China.

    Once they have conquered China and stolen all the oil the Jews will step in and Israel will swallow the world and begin it's genocide of all non Western peoples everywhere.

    We will drink the blood of our victims and make cheese out of babies brains whilst we nuke our way across the globe waiving black and red star of David flags with a swastika hologram superimposed over it.

    Then you will see the truth of our Zionist Crusader conspiracy as we shed our skins and become lizards and have a massive reptilian orgy and rape the remaining few survivors with our massive scaly reptilian.............................  whistling2
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #12 - February 14, 2009, 04:22 AM

    A note to any anti imperialists who read my last post. Thailand was never colonised by anyone so you can't even use the age old Lefty trick of blaming it on the imperialists of yesteryear.


    You're like a stuck record, but you're talking about a conflict over land basically that involves far more than religion (which is a typical demarcation of such conflicts). As if you'd take into consideration something like that, let alone US backing of state repression in recent years that has exacerbated it.


    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #13 - February 14, 2009, 04:23 AM

    Ok. I tried to stay away. I really did but I can't stand it. I'll try harder to stay away this time but I think it would do the site good to have some balance instead of constant anti-Islam/Muslim bile. The article by Nick Cohen is excellent and quite pertinent to myself because this board has made me start to sympathise and defend people I called fucktards barely a month ago.

    Instead of just rehashing stuff from anti-Islamic sites why not provide a link, eg. on Cyrus, from the British museum? Or are they too 'PC'?

    I'm not justifying what happens in South Thailand but they have been Muslim since the mid-13th century and only got annexed by Buddhist Thailand in 1902 so it's not exactly as if they just suddenly woke up one morning and decided they'd start axing peaceful Buddhists.

    Lastly, I was born in Malaysia. The system is discriminatory but it is not a system of dhimmitude. It is a racist system - bumiputera includes non-Muslims such as the orang asli, even the descendents of the Portuguese. If you are Indian or Chinese you have far less opportunity to enter university or get a senior position in the public sector. Bumiputras also get discounted housing and a range of other benefits. It is, however, not a system of dhimitude and a lot of non-Malays (including my parents) supported it initially because they recognised that the Malays were disadvantaged. What they objected to later was that there doesn't seem to be any time frame on this affirmative action and the government (United Malays Nationalist Organisation) clique has basically become a ruling class while everyone else - poor Malays included - are still poor.

    Last time I went back I saw a decline in religious nationalism from my previous holidays. It reached a peak in the early 2000s but I think more and more people are getting jack of it and the average Muslim there doesn't want a Saudi-style mutawwa putting people in lorries and driving them around the city for not fasting (as happened in Kelantan) or raiding hotels and demanding to see marriage certificates which also happened in Malaysia.


    The language of the mob was only the language of public opinion cleansed of hypocrisy and restraint - Hannah Arendt.
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #14 - February 14, 2009, 04:58 AM

    So it is nothing to do with religion it is purely racial?

    I might be mistaken but that doesn't make me anti Muslim. Where the fuck did you get that from? I'm just looking at the evidence and the evidence is that non Muslims are discriminated against in Malaysia. Anyway you yourself just said that it was discriminatory, (most Malays are Muslim EG:Non Muslims have a lower social status) so it really is difficult to distinguish between this and Dhimmitude.

    You don't deny that they persecute apostates, then you tell us that they have had a kind of religious police raiding hotels and rounding up people for prayers. It seems we are in agreement.

    At no point did I say that all Muslims agree with these policies I just said that Malaysia was one of the most moderate Muslim countries in the world yet they implement these draconian policies.

    You are right about the Thai annexation of the south but the point is borders shift and empires rise and fall but almost every place where there is a Muslim majority and disputed land a murderous campaign of the most brutal kind is happening.

    This is not anti Muslim rhetoric it's a fact and it points to the fact that it's not America and Israel that causes violence of this sort. It's coming from the religion.

    I shouldn't have to qualify myself but I will.

    I'm not saying all Muslims are violent extremists but it is true that the Koran and Hadiths glorify and sanctify this kind of violence very well and at this point in history it is only in Islam that it's holy books are taken literally by so many.
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #15 - February 14, 2009, 05:13 AM

    A note to any anti imperialists who read my last post. Thailand was never colonised by anyone so you can't even use the age old Lefty trick of blaming it on the imperialists of yesteryear.


    You're like a stuck record, but you're talking about a conflict over land basically that involves far more than religion (which is a typical demarcation of such conflicts). As if you'd take into consideration something like that, let alone US backing of state repression in recent years that has exacerbated it.




    So the conflict in Thailand is in someway to be blamed on America  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    And you have the audacity to accuse me of being like a stuck record. mysmilie_977
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #16 - February 14, 2009, 05:17 AM

    No. Did I say that? But American involvement, including forces, shouldn't be without mention [yet what is necessary for you to omit].

    [
    Quote from: Brucepig

    And you have the audacity to accuse me of being like a stuck record.


    Unlike you do I don't go banging on about ever so despised "anti-imperialists" practically every single post, so why is it an audacious characterisation? Isn't it really obvious that you're raison d'etre is to bash them at every chance. We get it. Anyone who's anti war or against imperialism are all conspirloons. zzzzz. can't you do it somewhere else?]

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #17 - February 14, 2009, 05:30 AM

    Why would you mention America? It's absurd they have absolutely nothing to do with Thailand's troubled south.

    Just as the Russian invasion of Georgia had nothing to do with Israel but many on the Left still saw the sinister claw of Zionism behind the conflict.

    You guys really are stuck in the groove and incapable of getting over your dogmatic hate of America and the West.

    Sheesh mysmilie_977 mysmilie_977 mysmilie_977 mysmilie_977 mysmilie_977 mysmilie_977 mysmilie_977 mysmilie_977 mysmilie_977
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #18 - February 14, 2009, 05:52 AM

    Yes Israel was involved in Georgia too. If your awareness is as evident as this thread then you ought to be a bit more clued up about it before talking and just blaming all the violence on 'Islam'. . . The Bush administration had very close ties to Thaksin's regime and backed it as part of the "war on terror". That's not a conspiracy theory, or irrelevance, or dogmatic hatred of America.


    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #19 - February 14, 2009, 06:01 AM

    Yes I attack the anti imperialist Left mercilessly because their world view backs up the Islamist far right and to see the Left do that disgusts me. Not only are these people traitors to the Left they are prolonging the oppression of Muslims at the hands of the extremists not to mention the Westerners killed by terrorists. This is criminal behavior in my book.

    Also it is such a sad and pathetic world view to dogmatically oppose anything and everything America does or doesn't do and blame everything on European colonialism and Americas every action and inaction since WW2

    Ask yourself this is it more repetitive to spend a few months arguing against the anti imperialist world view or spend your whole life blaming everything on capitalism and America.

    I think you and your fellow Leftist travelers are winning in the stuck record stakes.  

    Ahh the anti war Left who march with Hamas supporters and ostracise the leftists and secularists of the Middle East so as not to offend their far right theocratic allies.

    They are not anti war, they are pro war. They just oppose America and support those who fight against Americans, Israelis and Brits.

    This is not anti war, to be truly anti war you would have to oppose Hamas, Russia and the killers of Darfur as vehemently as you oppose George Bush but that is not what the anti war Left is about.

    Recently representatives from the Stop The War Coalition went to this conference in Beirut. Some fucking humanitarians they are. Disgusting.


    "Hezbollah held a conference in Beirut called the 'International Forum for Resistance and Opposition to Imperialism and Solidarity Among People'.  A key aim, according to a lead organiser, was linking up with other "anti-imperialists" from around the globe:

    "In this part of the world the resistance is Islamic. The resistance movement here must introduce themselves to other forces of resistance to imperialism around the world. The ideological differences must be postponed. The resistance must prevail. ? An important goal of the forum is how, despite the ideological contradictions, to find how to work together hand in hand to achieve unity against imperialism."

    Along with Hezbollah, the other "anti-imperialist" speakers and delegates from the Muslim world included the deputy speaker of the Iranian Parliament, who was in Lebanon with a 40 man delegation, and members of Hamas and the PFLP.

    It appears that the conference was predictably loopy and nasty.  From a Los Angeles Times report:

    Black clerical turbans bobbed up from the sea of long, curly hair and fashionable berets. Venezuelan leftists sought an interpreter to speak with Egyptian nationalists. Iranians handed out DVDs celebrating the assassin of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat and baseball caps that carried a quote from Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini: "Israel must be wiped out."

    Many snoozed during former U.S. Atty. Gen. Ramsey Clark?s speech about American foreign policy in the 1950s. But all perked up when the Shiite militia Hezbollah?s No. 2, Naim Qassem, delivered a fiery keynote speech slamming the United States and Israel?s war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

    "Imam Khomeini called America the Great Satan. Others call it imperialism or globalization," he said to the hundreds who gathered here this weekend for a long-scheduled conference of Islamic, Arab, Western and Latin American opponents to the U.S. and Israel. "No matter what words you use to describe it, it?s the same enemy."

    ?

    The crowd roared with applause as each speaker denounced the U.S. and Israel. Interpreters translated speeches into English, French, Spanish and Arabic.

    The three-day conference, which began Friday evening, presented a hodgepodge of ideas. Some participants mixed the rhetoric of class warfare with that of the Palestinian cause. "Resisting occupation cannot take place unless we fight against economic oppression," said Laila Ghanem, a Lebanese journalist and activist.

    ?

    Qassem urged more rhetorical support for Hamas, mocking Israeli and U.S. contentions that Iran and Hezbollah were secretly behind the militant group.

    "They think we will be embarrassed if they say that," he said to thunderous applause. "Well, we are with Hamas and Iran, and we add Chavez from Venezuela and Bolivia. Yes, we will be one front in the face of America and Israel, and our slogan will be, 'Let imperialism fall.' "

    From Socialist Worker:

    Osama Hamdan, the representative of Hamas in Lebanon, told delegates that the Palestinian resistance inside Gaza would "continue to confront Israeli troops".

    Hamdan said that "our fighters have managed to halt the Israeli offensive, and would continue to battle until the troops withdraw".  He called on the Arab regimes to back the resistance and European governments to cut all links to Israel.  "We do not trust Mahmoud Abbas," he said in reference to the Palestinian Authority leader. "He does not represent the Palestinians."

    In a message to the global movement, Hamdan said, "The resistance will survive because all the free people of the world support us.  Our fighters are drawing hope from the solidarity they are seeing across the world."

    The conference debated the practical measures to help the Palestinians' struggle. "Humanitarian appeals are now part of our political struggle," one delegate told the conference.

    From Workers World:

    In the conference closing session, Palestinian Resistance hero Leila Khaled of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) spoke of the "unilateral ceasefire" just announced by Israeli forces. "We salute all those who fight to break the siege of Gaza. We affirm that this victory was won by our freedom fighters on the ground. The unilateral ceasefire proves that, with all its destructive capacity, Israel could not achieve its goals on the battlefield. They are now seeking the help of the United States to achieve those goals politically. But we consider occupation to be an act of war. When injustice is law, resistance is duty. And the only answer to occupation is resistance and liberation."

    No prizes for guessing who came from the UK.  Yes, this conference was a must for the so-called "Stop the War Coalition" (StWC), just like the Cairo Conference, an annual assembly of Islamist extremists, including violent groups, and their international allies.

    Showing solidarity with fanatical terrorists and their Iranian government backers is as low as it gets.  Anyone in the UK who supports peace and human rights in the Middle East should oppose the StWC, not march with it."


    http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/01/24/supporting_the_war_coalition/

  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #20 - February 14, 2009, 06:11 AM

    Yes Israel was involved in Georgia too. If your awareness is as evident as this thread then you ought to be a bit more clued up about it before talking and just blaming all the violence on 'Islam'. . . The Bush administration had very close ties to Thaksin's regime and backed it as part of the "war on terror". That's not a conspiracy theory, or irrelevance, or dogmatic hatred of America.




    Sorry you are right Israel, America, the British Empire, European colonialism and capitalism are the root cause of every conflict, invasion, genocide, famine and dictatorship in history.

    Racism, misogyny, homophobia, genocide, war, slavery, imperialism, hate and Disneyland are all creations of the West and we must bow our heads in shame and support anyone who opposes the evil that is the Western liberal democracy.

    If there had been no Western civilization or white people the world would now be a peaceful utopia populated by beautiful wise and happy people living hand in hand under a wondrous Communist regime that everybody loves. We would be cooperating and threading daisies in eachothers hair......


     Cheesy

     Wink
  • Re:
     Reply #21 - February 14, 2009, 06:48 AM

    I'm not one of the so-called "antiwar" whose "anti-imperalism" is cover for some of their politics (there isn't really a monothought left wing as you portray). So, then, you're wasted on me. Yours is the gripe of the pro-war so-called left worse than who you are berating. The Nick Cohen 'left' that is pro-imperialist instead. No thanks. . . If the "anti-imperalists" you bleat on about are nothing new, nor are faux progressive-styled lackeys of Empire. They've been around even longer, through the 'mission civilizatrice's and whatnot.

    I'll go on blaming capitalism for all the ills of the world and the bane of everything virtuous, although inevitably that does mean I end up repeating myself. It's better than burying ideals.

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #22 - February 14, 2009, 07:00 AM

    Well you could always try reality instead of ideals. Just a thought.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #23 - February 14, 2009, 07:03 AM

    I was not pro war and the fact that people like Nick Cohen and myself are about just goes to show that the Left is not a monolith but you cannot deny that the anti imperialist, anti war Left are the majority and they either openly support or refuse to condemn the theocratic far right.

    Blaming everything on capitalism and the West is stupid. The fact that you can openly admit that is how you think is just unbelievably silly. Most anti imperialists will deny that they blame America or capitalism for everything whilst they carry on blaming everything on Western civilisation. They just know that no one will take them seriously if they honestly say they blame everything on one source so they deny it. You really are dedicated to the dogma Wink

    The world is a complex place and to put the West and capitalism as the root cause of every problem shows that you are incapable of seeing reality. You are lost in a fug of dogmatic anti Western bile.
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #24 - February 14, 2009, 07:04 AM

    Sorry you are right Israel, America, the British Empire, European colonialism and capitalism are the root cause of every conflict, invasion, genocide, famine and dictatorship in history.

    Racism, misogyny, homophobia, genocide, war, slavery, imperialism, hate and Disneyland are all creations of the West and we must bow our heads in shame and support anyone who opposes the evil that is the Western liberal democracy.

    If there had been no Western civilization or white people the world would now be a peaceful utopia populated by beautiful wise and happy people living hand in hand under a wondrous Communist regime that everybody loves. We would be cooperating and threading daisies in eachothers hair......


     Cheesy

     Wink


    Uhh. If you say so.  Shocked

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #25 - February 14, 2009, 07:06 AM

    Well you could always try reality instead of ideals. Just a thought.


    Idealising reality. 'Reality' always brings you back to politics. Politics is everything.

    Reality is a lie, as they say.

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #26 - February 14, 2009, 07:30 AM

    I was not pro war and the fact that people like Nick Cohen and myself are about. . .


    You wasn't?

    Not much is very left-wing about him.

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    You are lost in a fug of dogmatic anti Western bile.


    The entire world is capitalist, not just the west. You don't just need 'anti-western propaganda', or something, to be against capitalism.

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #27 - February 14, 2009, 08:04 AM

    So you think the entire world is wrong. K.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #28 - February 14, 2009, 08:43 AM

    Nick Cohen didn't really change his mind about much and the Left used to love him because of his merciless criticism of corporate Britain and Tony Blair.

    He was pro regime change in Iraq way before the war and so were most people on the Left when Saddam was being supported by Thatcher.

    It's the bulk of the Left that changed their minds and suddenly opposed regime change in Iraq as soon as America launched the first Gulf War.

    Nick Cohen has been rather consistent but he is treated with utter contempt because he committed the heresy of supporting America in one of it's wars and to add insult to injury he openly criticises the anti imperialist Left and supports liberal democracies over and above the theocracies and murderous regimes in the third world.

    For the anti imperialist Left this is unthinkable because liberal democracies are the root of all evil and third world tyrannies are all our fault. Either they are a symptom of our colonial history or puppets supported by America. On no account is anyone to blame apart from West. If we just ceased to exist the world would be free from war and poverty etc.

    So his views are not right wing he is just a heretic who has supported the great satan and he has become a pariah and people denounce him as a neocon.

    Osmanthus It's sixth form politics, it crumbles as soon as you poke it.
  • Re: The more the British Left Indulges in antisemitism, the more kosher I feel
     Reply #29 - February 14, 2009, 11:14 AM

    So you think the entire world is wrong. K.


    The entire world's economic basis is 'wrong,' yes.

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
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