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 Topic: Anti Da'wah Campaign

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  • Anti Da'wah Campaign
     OP - February 14, 2009, 10:25 PM

    As I have been traveling through my home city of San Francisco, I've been noticing something quite devious.

    Lately, along the side of city buses there has been an ad which read "ISLAM: The Submission to God" and it gave an url and a phone number to go along with it. When you visit the site, it's obvious that their primary goal is da'wah.

    Frankly I have no problem with a Muslim talking to someone about their religion. That doesn't bother me. What I do care for is that they are honest, and give people the full picture. I know for Muslims, it's a bit too much to ask.

    In the site http://www.whyislam.org/, especially in the FAQ section, Islam is greatly sugar coated. That's just putting it lightly.

    Part of the ad in these buses is the slogan "You deserve to know." I agree, people do deserve to know, but the site clearly gives a half-ass picture.

    The reason why this bothers me is because I constantly hear of people converting to Islam under the idea that Islam is a very tolerant religion. Then when these people do finally get the full picture of Islam, a lot of them apostate. Thus, in the end, they are threatened, and or criticized harshly for doing so.

    I know in the U.S there exists a club in many colleges called MSA, where Muslims gather around and talk about diffrent issues and give da'wah to non-Muslims.

    I'm very close to starting a similar club. Except, this one, is run by Murtads.

    The idea is just in the rough draft for now, but I'm very motivated to give this club birth.

    What do you guys think? Any other ideas?

     

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Anti Da'wah Campaign
     Reply #1 - February 14, 2009, 10:35 PM

    Hi Tommy,

    forgive me for asking as I've not read it anywhere, but are you in college, and if so, are you looking to start this club on a college campus?

    If the answer is yes, you may run into some real trouble. The MSA carries a lot of weight and any club created to counter what they do will likely be denounced as "hateful and bigoted." Starting a club like that in the lefty bastion of San Fran may be a tall order. I like the idea though.
  • Re: Anti Da'wah Campaign
     Reply #2 - February 14, 2009, 10:36 PM

    I can imagine funding such a club with funds from the student union would be like pulling teeth, too.
  • Re: Anti Da'wah Campaign
     Reply #3 - February 14, 2009, 10:44 PM

    I can imagine funding such a club with funds from the student union would be like pulling teeth, too.


    Yeah mate you're right. It would be a toughy to start this on a college campus. That part really frustrates me too. People are willing to let a religious group represent their intolerant views, by dedicating a club to it, but when a counter position comes around and they dedicate a club, it's seen as a "hate crime" of sort.

    Oh the irony.  Cheesy

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Anti Da'wah Campaign
     Reply #4 - February 14, 2009, 10:49 PM

    I can imagine funding such a club with funds from the student union would be like pulling teeth, too.


    Yeah mate you're right. It would be a toughy to start this on a college campus. That part really frustrates me too. People are willing to let a religious group represent their intolerant views, by dedicating a club to it, but when a counter position comes around and they dedicate a club, it's seen as a "hate crime" of sort.

    Oh the irony.  Cheesy


    More ironic yet that college campuses are stifling ideas being expressed and setting up "free speech zones" and "speech codes."

    It's a farce. If there's any place where divergent views should be aired, it's a college campus. But people now believe there's a part of the Constitution that protects them from hurt feelings and offensive and insensitive comments  wacko

    And some groups get much more protection than others, and yours wouldn't be among those being protected in any way.
  • Re: Anti Da'wah Campaign
     Reply #5 - February 14, 2009, 10:59 PM

    It would interesting to know if the number of conversions on college campuses are increasing or decreasing. I personally get the feeling that the number of conversions to Islam in general has peaked as your average Joe now knows a little bit more about the more unpleasant side of Islam and might obviously be a bit more cautious when approaching Islam.

    I did read on a 'Islam in Europe' blog that the number of conversions in Belgium at least is dropping.



  • Re: Anti Da'wah Campaign
     Reply #6 - February 14, 2009, 11:03 PM

    we live in hope

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  • Re: Anti Da'wah Campaign
     Reply #7 - February 14, 2009, 11:17 PM

    They might claim it's bigotted if you present it as an anti-Islam club... but if you present it as an ex-faith club - for anyone - it might be more readily accepted.
  • Re: Anti Da'wah Campaign
     Reply #8 - February 14, 2009, 11:20 PM

    good idea

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  • Re: Anti Da'wah Campaign
     Reply #9 - February 14, 2009, 11:32 PM

    They might claim it's bigotted if you present it as an anti-Islam club... but if you present it as an ex-faith club - for anyone - it might be more readily accepted.


    I agree with you there. But I wonder how long it will be before someone takes issue with criticism of certain protected pet religions and starts screaming from the rooftops. After all, all religions are equal, but some are more equal than others.

    I live in a pretty conservative area and went to a pretty middle of the road university and remember well the hissy fits thrown over newspapers publishing the Mohammad cartoons. One girl went ballistic in the classroom,  comparing the cartoons to swastikas. When I pointed out that tax payer dollars were used to produce and show the exhibit "Piss Christ" (which featured such things as a crucifix in a jar of urine) this same student shrugged it off as not offensive as urine was "just a bodily fluid" so no harm done  wacko

    By that standard, the Mohammad cartoons were "just line drawings." There's no talking to some people and college campuses are full of such people. They react emotionally, not logically.

    The same politicians *cough*Hillary*cough* who said Piss Christ was protected free speech that should be funded by tax payers denounced the newspapers in Norway and Denmark for publishing the Mohammad cartoons because they offended the sensibilities of Muslims. When I brought up anti-semetic cartoons in Arab newspapers, the same students ignored the issue completely, or blamed it all on Israel.
  • Re: Anti Da'wah Campaign
     Reply #10 - February 14, 2009, 11:32 PM

    I've been to loads of Islamic speeches and the lies and deception makes me very angry!

    They deliberately conceal the nasty side of Islam.  They only show a handful of "peaceful" verses from the Quran and don't mention the many many many intolerant verses.

    I remember I went to a speech last year and the speaker was talking about how Islam is such a peaceful religion, and how it respects human rights, and how it wants to live side by side with other religions, and how it's so perfect and great and peaceful etc etc etc.


    BUT THEN...


    In the question and answers session at the end, a member of the audience asked him what the punishment for leaving Islam is, and the speaker reluctantly admitted that the punishment is death.  Roll Eyes

    It was very similar to what Richard Dawkins did over here...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1b0QKO1rJQ

    I would fully support an anti-dawah movement!

    .
  • Re: Anti Da'wah Campaign
     Reply #11 - February 15, 2009, 02:57 AM

    Every religion which evangelizes, often does so dishonestly. There are so many sites advertised on Google asking rather innocously, "Are all religions the same" then they go on to a glowing description of Christianity, saying that there's only one religion which has God dying for you- Christianity !
                                                 
                                                       OR

    A question saying, "Is Jesus God?Scholars examine the facts of Jesus' life," and of course all the scholars are steeped in apologetics, there's no Dawkins arguing against God. Wink












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  • Re: Anti Da'wah Campaign
     Reply #12 - February 15, 2009, 05:24 AM

    The world isn't ready to handle rational discussions yet, stick to the internet for your own safety.

    Start with creating a website/blogging community, whether you want to reveal your identity is up to you.

    try to boost your campaigns popularity locally first, stick ads around the stores, write a short letter about your campaign to your local newspaper, advertise it in your college, among friends, facebook groups, blogs etc...

    Make something unique so its sticks out, like starting vodcast discussion on weekly bases, interview an an apostate every other week, once you feel that your campaign has enough support bring it to the real world were you can host meeting etc...
  • Re: Anti Da'wah Campaign
     Reply #13 - February 15, 2009, 08:16 AM

    I can imagine funding such a club with funds from the student union would be like pulling teeth, too.


    Yeah mate you're right. It would be a toughy to start this on a college campus. That part really frustrates me too. People are willing to let a religious group represent their intolerant views, by dedicating a club to it, but when a counter position comes around and they dedicate a club, it's seen as a "hate crime" of sort.

    Oh the irony.  Cheesy


    More ironic yet that college campuses are stifling ideas being expressed and setting up "free speech zones" and "speech codes."

    It's a farce. If there's any place where divergent views should be aired, it's a college campus. But people now believe there's a part of the Constitution that protects them from hurt feelings and offensive and insensitive comments  wacko

    And some groups get much more protection than others, and yours wouldn't be among those being protected in any way.


    The liberal take over of our universities which began in the 60's was a good thing to begin with as they fought racism, encouraged equality and introduced a radical new way of thinking but unfortunately it has become an albatross around the neck of our higher education establishments.

    Those new radical ideas have become the orthodoxy that no one is allowed to challenge. Many professors use their positions to teach their Chomskyesque world view. More as a form of indoctrination than education.

    Universities are first and foremost there to teach students the art of critical thinking by showing all of the data, conflicting views and different ideas and letting the students come to their own educated conclusions about politics, history and social sciences etc.

    They are about teaching critical thinking not indoctrination but on Western campuses there are certain issues you just cannot discuss or you will be banned by the administration or shouted down by Left wing students.

    Professors sign contracts which say that they will follow the scientific methods, be professional and not indoctrinate students but teach them, which means when there is a controversial matter with more than one side (like gender, immigration, Israel/Palestine or radical Islam) you present both sides you don't ban or shout down those with opposing views.

    A good professor should play devils advocate but so many have confused education with political activism that academic freedom and freedom of speech has been sacrificed on the altar of their Left wing politics.

    This is not academic freedom but indoctrination. Our universities are in crisis due this political activism on university campuses across the West.

    Recently Douglas Murray was banned from speaking at the LSE and whenever Daniel Pipes or David Horowitz go to American campuses they are greeted by jeering crowds of Muslims and middle class white students wearing khafiyahs and shouting them down with accusations of racism and imperialism.

    A good example of how far the rot has gone is Womens Studies in American universities.

    Womens Studies departments are run predominantly by Left wing feminists and they presume that gender is just a social construct. Meaning that the environment determines the characteristics of male and female. (EG: Patriarchal society and misogyny is what makes the difference between men and women)

    Now there is a lot of evidence to the contrary from neural science and biology to evolutionary psychology to say that there are genetic and biological basis for some of the male female differences.

    The renowned scientist Steven Pinker has written a book called The Blind Slave which discusses these conflicting views but what The American Association of University Professors is saying is that it's alright for American departments of Womens Studies to teach a very controversial view as if it was fact.

    Professors really shouldn't be expressing political views in the classroom, they are teaching you how to think not what to think. These professors want their students to reach certain conclusions on controversial subjects that they share and they support radical Left wing and conservative Islamic groups but penalise those who disagree.
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