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  • Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     OP - February 19, 2009, 07:14 AM
    The Truth About Muhammad Founder of the Worlds Most-Intolerant Religion,  by Robert Spencer

    (link http://www.scribd.com/doc/5432888/The-Truth-About-Muhammad-Founder-of-the-Worlds-Most-Intolerant-Religion)

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  • Re: Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     Reply #1 - February 19, 2009, 08:22 AM
    I really would be cautious about reading books by Robert Spencer. He is a Christian with an agenda.

    I'm not saying he would lie but some perversion to meet his bias is possible. I usually give up reading articles about Islam when I find out the author is Christian. Its hypocritical hearing the pot call the kettle black!

    Knowing Islam is the only true religion we do not allow propagation of any other religion. How can we allow building of churches and temples when their religion is wrong? Thus we will not allow such wrong things in our countries. - Zakir Naik
  • Re: Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     Reply #2 - February 19, 2009, 08:39 AM
    ^Exactly. Islamophobes that are just short of calling for an inquisition Tongue.
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     Reply #3 - February 19, 2009, 10:07 AM
    I read 'The Two Faces of Islam' by Robert Spencer and I did find his P.O.V. to be biased towards right wing Christianity.  Tread with caution.
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  • Re: Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     Reply #4 - February 19, 2009, 11:37 AM
    I find it difficult to find books which are completely balanced. Tariq Ramadan's book is about as biased as Robert Spencer's book is. Ramadan will write a hagiography on Mohammed, Spencer will excoriate him.

    Karen Armstrong is also accused of being too soft on the failings of Islam and Mohammed while being rather too harsh on Christianity.

    Where do you find a totally unbiased, completely objective approach?
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     Reply #5 - February 19, 2009, 12:20 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on February 19, 2009, 11:37 AM
    Where do you find a totally unbiased, completely objective approach?

    Right here, on the COEM site!  Butt kissing
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  • Re: Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     Reply #6 - February 19, 2009, 12:31 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on February 19, 2009, 12:20 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on February 19, 2009, 11:37 AM
    Where do you find a totally unbiased, completely objective approach?

    Right here, on the COEM site!  Butt kissing


    Very True! However, Robert Spencer is somewhat like our Sparky, he sees plenty of faults in Islam, but is either unable to see the same faults in Christianity, or deliberately shuts his eyes to them.
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     Reply #7 - February 19, 2009, 01:48 PM
    I have the book, checked out his references and citations, and they're almost always correct,

    sometimes he's biased, but I like his counter argument with ppl like Karen Armstrong.
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  • Re: Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     Reply #8 - February 19, 2009, 01:54 PM
    Will give it the book a miss then.

    Incidentally watching the movie Religulous with Bill Maher, anyone else seen it?  IMDB reckon its pretty good and given it 7.8/10
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  • Re: Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     Reply #9 - February 19, 2009, 06:37 PM
    I have the book, I did not read it yet.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     Reply #10 - February 21, 2009, 06:15 PM
    Here is a URL to the Book:


    Read Spencer's Book

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  • Re: Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     Reply #11 - February 22, 2009, 12:45 AM
    Tongue I'm reading "Conference of the Books: A Search for the Beauty in Islam" by Khaled Abou El Fadl

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     Reply #12 - February 22, 2009, 12:57 AM
    I've read that book.  Its total crap, and  here's a review of it...


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    n this updated and expanded edition of The Search for Beauty in Islam, Abou El Fadl offers eye-opening and enlightening insights into the contemporary realities of the current state of Islam and the West. Through a conference of the books, an imagined conference of Muslim intellects from centuries past, Abou El Fadl examines the ugliness that has come to plague Muslim realities and attempts to reclaim what he maintains is a core moral value in Islam-the value of beauty. Abou El Fadl argues that the rekindling of the forgotten value of beauty is essential for Muslims today to take back what has been lost to the fundamentalist forces that have denigrated their religion.


    The book is rubbish.   Its a  pile of sentimentalist, illogical  apologetics for a bunch of over- sensitive God botherers. 

     Tongue
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  • Re: Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     Reply #13 - February 22, 2009, 01:07 AM
    I likes it. Perhaps I am an "over- sensitive God botherer"? Tongue
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     Reply #14 - February 22, 2009, 01:15 AM
    Quote from: awais on February 22, 2009, 01:07 AM
    I likes it. Perhaps I am an "over- sensitive God botherer"? Tongue


    Yes, perhaps you are.  Tongue

    The book's a pile of sickly sweet garbage, anyway.
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  • Re: Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     Reply #15 - February 22, 2009, 12:08 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on February 22, 2009, 01:15 AM
    Quote from: awais on February 22, 2009, 01:07 AM
    I likes it. Perhaps I am an "over- sensitive God botherer"? Tongue


    Yes, perhaps you are.  Tongue

    The book's a pile of sickly sweet garbage, anyway.

    Mmm, you almost make me want to read it. It's obviously worth a good damning at least and I can't do that unless I've read the thing.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     Reply #16 - April 16, 2009, 05:13 PM
    Quote from: awais on February 22, 2009, 01:07 AM
    I likes it. Perhaps I am an "over- sensitive God botherer"? Tongue


    I have El Fadl's book too, and found it quite a nice read -- he has a very literary style that I found quite appealing.

    Problem is, the reason why El Fadl's book was so great was because so much of the content was his own opinion, his own thought process, and not much was from the classical Islamic tradition at all.
  • Re: Anyone read this book by Robert Spencer?
     Reply #17 - April 16, 2009, 07:02 PM
    If you want to read a book read "The Islamist: Why I Joined Radical Islam in Britain, What I Saw Inside and Why I Left" - by Mohammed Mahbub Hussain. This book convinced me leave group like MPAC (when I was a Muslim) and ultimately leave Salafism (Wahabbism) eventually become almost a cultural Muslim. 
    Left the forum: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22997
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