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  • Christianity is not that original
     OP - March 02, 2009, 11:34 PM
    I watched a documentary awhile back questioning the existence of Christ (it's called The God Who Wasn't There) and it wasn't too great but I was still intrigued by the idea and was greatly interested in the history of Christianity but I let it drop until I seen a documentary on CBC called the Pagan Christ (I'll post it below) about the uncanny resemblance between Jesus and the Egyptian god Horus. The subject of the doc is a man named Tom Harper who wrote a book by the same name (as the doc).

    Anyways, I'm sure many of you have heard about that film online called Zeitgeist. I always avoided watching it because it's largely about 911 conspiracy theories. Well, my friend told me that the first portion of the film is pretty much about how Jesus probably didn't even exist. I watched it and ...wow. I'm definitely gonna look more into it but it really does explain a lot. I'll post it if any of you are interested. And if anyone knows more about this stuff, please share!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7StcxGM5KcA



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0hcu7cZFTs&feature=related
    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #1 - March 03, 2009, 08:43 AM
    I don't know that much about it but I have read about the similarities between Jesus and Horus.  I found it quite fascinating, it was in a book about Eve through history, who again isn't an original character.

    I think religion is much the same as any new thing, it takes knowledge of old and mixes it up to make new, same as religion, it took what it liked from previous ideas and made of it something new, and improved (in their eyes).

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #2 - March 03, 2009, 09:10 AM
    Other virgin born god\s. The ancient Egyptian Trinity had a Father, Mother & Son: Osiris, Isis & Horus.

    The misogynistic Christians got rid of the mother & made it possible to have the Son with only a Father & a human woman's womb. Christ even called his surrogate mom "Woman"-not mother..

    www.entheology.org/POCM/pagan_origins_virgin_birth.html
    All these gods were born before Jesus to deceive us humans about mankind's one true saviour.  devil girl
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #3 - March 03, 2009, 09:13 AM
    Careful with the Zeitgeist stuff, I've found there's some lies in those stories so always double check their sources.
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  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #4 - March 03, 2009, 09:46 AM
    More on Jesus Horus similarities: Christian=copycats  MSinghK www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #5 - March 03, 2009, 10:03 AM
    Jesus-Horus comparisons are a pile of nonsense, they are based on the falsification of the Horus story to fit in with what we know about Jesus.  The main source for all them is the 19th century fantasist Gerald Massey.  Google him, and you'll soon see you've been had.

    Here's a skeptic site which debunks this persistent myth....

    http://ct.grenme.com/index.php/Horus-Jesus_Correlations

    Btw, I don't think its any coincidence that a lot of the people who sell this stuff are 9/11 conspiracy nuts - there was a similar myth about Mithras-Jesus similarities beloved among Nazis/Aryan supremacists in the 20th century.  An obsession with wrestling Jesus away from Jewishness seems to appeal to a certain mentality, if you know what I mean.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #6 - March 03, 2009, 12:51 PM
     thnkyu
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #7 - March 03, 2009, 01:04 PM
    No problem.  And for anybody still susceptible to the Protocols of the Elders of Zeitgeist, here is a skeptic site which debunks the film....

    http://www.zeitgeistexposed.com/
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #8 - March 03, 2009, 03:41 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on March 03, 2009, 09:13 AM
    Careful with the Zeitgeist stutheff, I've found there's some lies in those stories so always double check their sources.

    Yeah I know. Sensational shit.  Roll Eyes
    That's why I waited until now to watch it. I still plan on reading Tom Harpur's book though.


    Thanks for those links Cheetah. I was suspicious about the star/astrological correlation stuff for a few reasons.
    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #9 - March 04, 2009, 11:03 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 03, 2009, 01:04 PM
    No problem.  And for anybody still susceptible to the Protocols of the Elders of Zeitgeist, here is a skeptic site which debunks the film....

    http://www.zeitgeistexposed.com/

    My sister, who is a full-blown communist, accused me of being "pro-American" when I discredited that movie.
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #10 - March 05, 2009, 12:20 AM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSm7YPMQOSo
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #11 - March 05, 2009, 12:30 AM
    Quote from: Zaephon on March 04, 2009, 11:03 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on March 03, 2009, 01:04 PM
    No problem.  And for anybody still susceptible to the Protocols of the Elders of Zeitgeist, here is a skeptic site which debunks the film....

    http://www.zeitgeistexposed.com/

    My sister, who is a full-blown communist, accused me of being "pro-American" when I discredited that movie.


    Zeitgeist is bullshit.

    It rehashes all that troofer conspiracy crap. Only complete imbeciles buy into that Tower 7, remote controlled planes, Mossad and George Bush done it bollocks.

    If there is any truth in those Zeitgeist movies it is completely discredited by all the loony conspiracies they present as truth.

    Here is a review of Zeitgeist Addendum from an anarchist so he is hardly a neocon, pro American in on the conspiracy but he destroys the movie.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1JcUBx2dxU
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #12 - March 05, 2009, 12:34 AM
    Yep. I remember one of my New Ager friends raving about Zeitgeist when it first came out. Then she started describing it. Straight away I told her it was probably 90% bullshit and I didn't think I would bother with it.
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  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #13 - March 05, 2009, 08:10 AM
    He went through great length to differentiate between the 'gun or not gun' economic, and went as far as insulting those who do not acknowledge the clear difference. Even as he went and stated that often the lines get blurry between the Two options 'gun or no gun'.

    He also made the point of how he wants the government to become a non-entity.

    And then he jumped to the next best solution. The Consumer. The consumer making those choices. The consumer choosing Walmart over mom & pop shops. The consumer breaking monopolies, because this consumer, likes variety and change.

    He is trying to convince me that, we have this One big entity, this consumer, that will act and in its best interest, long term as well as short term. That this consumer entity will make decision that will benefit the whole, because, as an entity, it should be aware of the needs of its entire entity. right? right?

    Wrong. The consumer is often not in a comfortable position to make beneficial long term decisions. The consumer is *not* a single big entity. A single entity, could sacrifice a part of itself, for the sake of another. But the consumer is *not* a single entity.

    A consumer is made up of many parts. The guy who votes with his wallet. The guy who votes with his health. The guy who votes through his politician. The guy who votes through his religion. The local consumer. The foreign consumer. The lobbyist. The owner. The worker.

    This guy's point of view worries me because, just like his commie opposites, he assumes that leadership will not occur in his system. That somehow this consumer blob will occur, and it will remain a shapeless, and benevolent and beneficial entity.

    But people will always group together for comfort, cooperation and protection, like they always do. If he takes out the government, and let this 'consumer blob' just happen, then where will the next 'leadership' come from? Who will take control of this blob? isn't it logical that the leadership will come from CEOs? from the Military? from Theocracy? Won't the next leadership come from everyone else, who was not stupid enough to voluntarily destroy his own leadership?

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #14 - March 05, 2009, 04:41 PM
    Quote from: brucepig on March 05, 2009, 12:30 AM
    Zeitgeist is bullshit.

    It rehashes all that troofer conspiracy crap. Only complete imbeciles buy into that Tower 7, remote controlled planes, Mossad and George Bush done it bollocks.

    Yep. Big Evil Capitalist American Empire Guilty of Everything.

    I think anarchists are usually smarter than Marxists, their views are utopian and impractical but at least they are coherent.
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #15 - March 06, 2009, 04:33 AM
    Quote from: Zaephon on March 05, 2009, 04:41 PM
    Quote from: brucepig on March 05, 2009, 12:30 AM
    Zeitgeist is bullshit.

    It rehashes all that troofer conspiracy crap. Only complete imbeciles buy into that Tower 7, remote controlled planes, Mossad and George Bush done it bollocks.

    Yep. Big Evil Capitalist American Empire Guilty of Everything.

    I think anarchists are usually smarter than Marxists, their views are utopian and impractical but at least they are coherent.

    I guess we'll never know until we try it, will we? The current system is what I would call impractical. It fails. What little chance that has been given to anarchism (eg. Catalonia, Spain) has proven itself well so I think it's unfair to call it impractical.

    Every daring attempt to make a great change in existing conditions, every lofty vision of new possibilities for the human race, has been labeled Utopian.

    - Emma Goldman

    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #16 - March 06, 2009, 04:41 AM
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    What little chance that has been given to anarchism (eg. Catalonia, Spain) has proven itself well so I think it's unfair to call it impractical.


    How has it proven itself well?  Anarchism in both Catalonia and the rest of Spain, has collapsed.  Have you ever read "Homage to Catalonia"? 

    That's why Spain has returned to a Constitutional monarchy.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #17 - March 06, 2009, 12:56 PM
    Quote from: Iggy on March 06, 2009, 04:33 AM
    I guess we'll never know until we try it, will we? The current system is what I would call impractical. It fails. What little chance that has been given to anarchism (eg. Catalonia, Spain) has proven itself well so I think it's unfair to call it impractical.

    The current system is unfortunately very practical. Capitalism is not an ideological theory, so it can adapt to new conditions without referring to ideologues. Billions of people have adapted to capitalist, liberal democracies with success.

    Yea to small state, nay to anarchy.


    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #18 - March 06, 2009, 11:22 PM
    There's a difference between being a practical system and being a "perfect" system. Capitalism certainly appears to be practical, although it does require some balance to be most effective. Pure, laissez faire capitalism has been tried and found rather wanting. I'm not in favour of any "pure" ideology, religious or otherwise. They're too simplistic to take account of reality.
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  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #19 - March 07, 2009, 12:18 AM
    Anarchy is Utopian bollocks. Take away government then it will just be a free for all, survival of the fittest, tribal war, rape murder and mayhem.

    If there were no police tomorrow violence would get out of hand as greed and envy took over. It would only take a minority to create terror and who would stop them? Vigilantes. Our streets would rapidly start to resemble downtown Mogadishu or worse considering the riches on offer.

    Can you really see high end merchandise like Apple Macintosh being sold in a country with no police. The West End would be looted and the only shops to remain would have heavily armed guards. The West End would become a ghost town.

    Shit even I would be tempted to do a bit of looting. Imagine that ! no police and the new Ibook just sitting there waiting for someone to take it!!

    Temptation or what.

    Rich people with out weapons or the defensive wherewithal would be descended on and robbed, beaten and most likely killed then it would be the turn of the middle classes then the better off working classes. Women would be raped in the streets and fear would force society to split down tribal and racial lines as we all would form our own violently territorial gangs.

    Take away the army and it would only be a matter of time until we got invaded. It might not happen straight away but it would almost definitely happen one day but not before we lost all of our resources as countries like Russia and Saudi Arabia could force us to pay over the odds for our fuel or cut us off on a whim. Without an army we would carry no weight in the international community. But don't forget we wouldn't have an economy and without an economy our living standards would rapidly decline.

    Britain would probably start to look like a cold version of the Congo pretty quickly.

    Anarchy is utter tosh.

    The idea of no government, no police, no army relies on the idea that we will all fall into line. Just like communism it assumes that everyone will cooperate but reality is never that simple.

    Anarchy requires everyone to be singing from the same hymn sheet, it reminds me of the idealistic CND campaign which says we should get rid of our nukes on the assumption that if we do everyone will follow suit and our enemies will not use nukes on us. Idealistic bollocks.

    PS: Incidentally CND have proved themselves to be full of shit as they are currently supporting the Iranian push for the bomb. They never campaigned for the Soviets to disarm now they are actively campaigning for Iran to acquire nukes. Just as the anti war movement are not actually anti war. CND are not anti nuke just anti American and British nukes. Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament my arse.   
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #20 - March 07, 2009, 11:53 AM
    Quote from: brucepig on March 07, 2009, 12:18 AM
    Anarchy is Utopian bollocks. Take away government then it will just be a free for all, survival of the fittest, tribal war, rape murder and mayhem.

    I agree, anarchy in our lifetime is impossible to implement. Maybe in the distant future.
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Christianity is not that original
     Reply #21 - March 07, 2009, 01:07 PM
    Quote from: Zaephon on March 07, 2009, 11:53 AM
    Quote from: brucepig on March 07, 2009, 12:18 AM
    Anarchy is Utopian bollocks. Take away government then it will just be a free for all, survival of the fittest, tribal war, rape murder and mayhem.

    I agree, anarchy in our lifetime is impossible to implement. Maybe in the distant future.

    Yep, as a race we are currently not mature enough to handle it.
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