Nope, you're not, which is why you don't look at issues uncomfortable to your good self. Chechenya wanted independence from Russia, there were brutal wars & terrorist attacks, now they've been placated.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/chechen-leader-imposes-strict-brand-islam How have they been placated? By managing to elect their own leader, who supports honor killings, polygamy & forced veilings in public places. Where is the "objective principles of justice" in all this? Its definitely colored with religion, & the religion happens to be Islam & a very obscurantist brand of Islam at that. Taking theology out of the Chechenya temporary peace issue might make us more comfortable, it won't make the ugly facts go away.Ditto with some other conflicts.
All true, but the Islamists weren't a strong power in Chechnya before the First Chechen War. Moral: If an occupying country is really worried about extremism amongst a national group with a legitimate claim for independence, then maybe they should just give them independence instead of launching a brutal war of occupation (The Russian Army wasn't exactly taking the velvet glove/hearts and minds approach, they turned the country into rubble) and thus emboldening the most extreme, bigoted and irredentist elements within the nationalist movement.
Nope, they should do something about it if thats' an option, or move on if that isn't. Great that you mentioned the Irish issue, coz its the other conflict somewhat colored by religious doctrine. Did we see the world's Catholics in Venezuela, Colombia or Brazil foaming against the world's Protestants as a result of this? Did the Presidant of Portugal give a speech
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100234,00.html like this little gem from Malaysia's President, castigating & weaving conspiracy theories around Anglicans & Protestants? You will have to overlook many cold, hard & unpleasant facts to believe that the Irish & Palestinian issue has exactly the same nature, & the Palestinian one hasn't become a far bigger conflict due to the vicarious involvement of the entite Muslim Ummah.
First, never said the issues were of "exactly the same nature". Second, you are quite right that the involvement of other Muslim countries has complicated the issue in a different way than the Irish question. However, the heads of state who proclaim their love and support for the Palestinians and cause have given little real material support to the Palestinians since the late 1970s, and, in some cases have traded them away as the price for support from the West (like Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and most of the other Gulf States did). They pay lip-service and throw them a little pocket change now and then, but that's about it.
your superp argumentative skills
Ah, why thank you.
Please don't apologise at all Q Man, at least not for Zaephon. He lives in Turkey, in a country which is 99%+ Muslim, he's got the advantage of growing up there & meeting people first hand where they easily tell their truths before him, unlike a Muslim before a non Muslim might indulge in Taqiyya(religiously sanctioned falsehood). He's heard all sorts of conspiracy theories ranging from how Jews rule the world to how Turkey's Founder Ataturk was Jewish! I too come from an inter faith family, my mom's a Muslim & as she wasn't in & out of jail (neither of my parents ever went there!), I have had quite a bit of exposure to the Muslim side of my family, & I know how they're bubbling over with conspiracy theories against Jews. I've seen how much Muslims want Israel back coz the Al Aqsa Mosque is located there, & its an insult to their faith for it to be under Jews. I can quite see how theology has caused a localised struggle to baloon into a globalised struggle.
Personal experience is a funny thing. It can be a great educator and sharpen one's analysis of a given situation, but it can also cloud analysis due to personal, emotional involvement. Sometimes it's better to be on the ground, sometimes better to be detached from the situation. The best analyses come from personal experience, combined with some level of personal detachment. I should know-- for years I despised Christianity (indeed all religion, but especially Christianity) due to having spent a significant portion of my youth in an area crawling with born-again Christians of the most bigoted and hypocritical sort. Thankfully, since I was 16 I've had the opportunity to live in an area that at least affords me the opportunity to meet and hang with people of varying faiths, agnostics, atheists, etc. so I've calmed down on the issue. But I can sympathize somewhat with someone who's still in the middle of a bunch of religious bullshit being pissed-off about it most of the time.
Again, see above. The Irish issue wasn't complicated by the vicarious involvement of Spanish & Colombian Catholic Priests praising suicide attacks or bombings against the Brits Anglicans as "sacred explosions" or by Priests encouraging rash young Catholic men with the promise of 72 nubile young virgins in Paradise.
Again I'd have to agree with you here.
In the Mumbai Terror attacks(heard of it?) last November, Pakistani Islamist terrorists who themselves are living on lands that was made into a Muslim country after driving millions of non Muslims out , killed 5 Jews by specifically targetting the only Jewish Centre in the city. The hypocrisy & double standards of living on stolen lands themselves & killing Jews in Mumbai never hit them.
Yeah, well, I don't expect that a couple of religious fanatics shooting AKs at a bunch of Jews just because they are Jews are going to have the clearest analysis of anything whatsoever.
This is hugely different from the Irish Troubles case, we'd have to look at Medieval Christianity & the Inquisition to find similar examples of religious bigotry coloring land issues.The Irish had Troubles, kicked the Brits out of 26 counties, realised the futility of hoping for more & worked towards building a lasting peace & a vibrant economy.
Futility? Maybe, but for about 75 years after the establishment of the Irish Free State, there was a sizable group of Irish willing to carry out or support (actively or tacitly) armed struggle (even a few really nasty acts) for the establishment of a 32 county Ireland. Even today the RIRA, CIRA, and INLA are still kicking around (even if with much less support and weakened organizational capability than in years past). Some Loyalist paramilitaries still kicking around too.
The Hamas got back Gaza, could've seized the opportunity of negotiating for more, didn't do so coz they wanted Israel erased from the map, fired 6000 crude rockets
Yep.
& suffered the consequences.
So did a lot of other people who didn't want Hamas in control.
The Irish did not want to erase Great Britain off the map,
Yes, but then again, not all of GB was occupied on what was once Irish land just a few decades ago.
Funny, you should say that you'd be forced. No that might not happen to lucky you, sitting in faraway powerful U.S.A.,
That's right, baby, we kick ass! U-S-A! U-S-A!
If you're bored, you might want to read up on the formation of Pakistan, the Kashmir issues, the Malaysian pro Muslim policies & plans for various an Islamist Caliphates & all the locations on Earth where they have succeeded, instead of telling me about your masturbations.
Broadcasting my intent to masturbate sounds more fun. Hell, I'm doing it right now! Just kidding, I can't type one-handed very well.
The conflicts might've been over land, but it was a workable one without the involvement of the worldwide Ummah.
Not sure about that. Lot of other variables, both local and geopolitical, to consider there.
Had the Irish issue happened in 16 th century Europe, it would've been unsolvable, the Pope & Catholic Priests would certainly make it a lot worse.
Maybe. Maybe not. A lot of variables to consider there too, including the English and Protestant Reformations.
P.S. I don't want to know about your masturbation
Liar.
Topic: Hypocricy at its best, demonstrated by the UK Gouverment!