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 Topic: The difference between a cult and a religion

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  • The difference between a cult and a religion
     OP - April 01, 2009, 12:37 PM

    What is the difference between a cult and a religion. Religions are respected and religious people are seen as respectable and virtuous whereas members of cults are almost always viewed as crackpots and loonies!

    The only difference between cults and religions is a lot of people believe in religions whereas only a few people believe in cults.

    If Islam had not become a major world religion and remained localised in Mecca, it would just be viewed as a heretical Christian cult!

    The only reason Islam and Christianity and Judaism and Hinduism have got more credibility than the Branch Davidians for example, is a lot more people have been taken in by them!

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: The difference between a cult and a religion
     Reply #1 - April 01, 2009, 12:42 PM

    A cult is defined as a religion which is is considered to be false by the mainstream. It is just a negative definition of a religious belief to discredit that community. 
  • Re: The difference between a cult and a religion
     Reply #2 - April 01, 2009, 12:45 PM

    A cult is defined as a religion which is is considered to be false by the mainstream. It is just a negative definition of a religious belief to discredit that community. 


    I know this has got nothing to do with this thread, but you're not a steve martin fan are you?

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: The difference between a cult and a religion
     Reply #3 - April 01, 2009, 12:50 PM

    Regarding the word "cult", I was quite amazed to learn that, in English, this word has a negative meaning attached to it.

    In Italian the same word ("culto") is used only to refer to the collection of specific rituals of worship in any religion.

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: The difference between a cult and a religion
     Reply #4 - April 01, 2009, 12:54 PM

    A cult is defined as a religion which is is considered to be false by the mainstream. It is just a negative definition of a religious belief to discredit that community. 


    I know this has got nothing to do with this thread, but you're not a steve martin fan are you?


    Yes, I think he is very funny. Well actually witt in a smart subtle way.
  • Re: The difference between a cult and a religion
     Reply #5 - April 01, 2009, 01:06 PM

    A cult is defined as a religion which is is considered to be false by the mainstream. It is just a negative definition of a religious belief to discredit that community. 


    I know this has got nothing to do with this thread, but you're not a steve martin fan are you?


    Yes, I think he is very funny. Well actually witt in a smart subtle way.


    I thought so, seeing as you are called King Tut!

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: The difference between a cult and a religion
     Reply #6 - April 01, 2009, 01:20 PM

    What is the difference between a cult and a religion.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

    "Cult definitions coined from 1920 onward[1] refer to a cohesive social group and their devotional beliefs or practices, which the surrounding population considers to be outside of mainstream cultures."
  • Re: The difference between a cult and a religion
     Reply #7 - April 01, 2009, 02:16 PM

    What is the difference between a cult and a religion.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

    "Cult definitions coined from 1920 onward[1] refer to a cohesive social group and their devotional beliefs or practices, which the surrounding population considers to be outside of mainstream cultures."


    One of the criteria of a cult is sexual gratification by its leader\founder according to this Wikipedia article.

    Sexual gratification by leaders
    Leaders of groups referred to as cults have used their positions to obtain sexual gratification from followers, or engaged in plural marriages that were not traditional to the culture outside of the group. Former group members have stated the reason why some leaders founded cults was so they could use people for sex.[83]

    Jim Jones (1931-1978), founder of the Peoples Temple, had sex with many women and men, and fathered children with several followers.[84]
    David Koresh (1959-1993), the Seven Seals leader of Branch Davidians only in Waco, Texas, greatly restricted the sexual activity of his followers, while marrying wives as young as twelve[85] because puberty was an accepted age for marriage in Old Testament times. A former member described Koresh as "fixated with sex and with a taste for younger girls." [86] He began to teach that all the women in the world belonged to him, only he had the right to procreate, and he fathered children with his plural wives. [87].
    Charles Manson (1934- ), leader of the informal Manson Family, drugged many of his followers with LSD and while women were under the influence, he induced them to service him sexually.[citation needed] Manson fathered children with three of his followers.
    Ra?l (1946- ), formerly named Claude Vorilhon, founded Raelism and had sex with hundreds of women, "...a new one every day, all pretty young devotees who thought he was some kind of god." His ex-wife of 15 years continued, "...over the years I began to think the whole Raelian movement was a trick to have more sex..."[83] Raelism openly teaches a belief in sexual freedom, which is used to recruit new members, who are invited[citation needed] to participate in Sensual Meditation sessions.[88]
    Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (Osho) (1931-1990) has been reported to have had sexual relationships with some of his female followers.[89] According to Tim Guest, whose mother joined the cult when he was 4 years old, group leaders in the Osho movement occasionally initiated fourteen and fifteen-year-old girls into sex.[90]
    Sathya Sai Baba (1926- ) According to Salon.com, "...the growing number of ex-devotees who decry their former master as a sexual harasser, ... and even a pedophile has hardly put a dent in his following."[91] [92] A travel warning was issued by the US State Department about reports of "unconfirmed inappropriate sexual behavior by a prominent local religious leader", which officials later confirmed was a reference to Sathya Sai Baba.[93][94] The Daily Telegraph has stated that despite all the allegations made against Sathya Sai Baba over the years, he has never been charged with any crime, sexual or otherwise.[95]
    Kenneth Emanuel Dyers of Kenja Communication was charged with multiple counts of child sex molestation. As well there were a significant number of allegations relating to women within the group aired on television, in the NSW Hansard and in a recent documentary.
    Victor Paul Wierwille (1916-1985) founded The Way International. "Stories and widely circulated letters alleging illicit sexual activity by leaders..." was reported in 1995.[96] Two women followers separately said that they acquiesced to undesired sexual activity with Wierwille.[96][97] In 2000, two female employees filed separate lawsuits "with allegations of a sexual nature", against L. Craig Martindale (1948- ), president since 1982, and others associated with The Way. [98][99] Both suits were settled. Martindale resigned following filing of the first suit and is no longer clergy of The Way.[100]
    Wayne Bent, self-styled "Michael of Travesser" is serving a prison sentence for molesting young girls in his Strong City cult[101] and openly admitted consummating "spiritual marriages" with women in the cult, including a woman who had until then been his son's wife.[102]

    Hmmm, consummating a marriage with son's wife,  Thinking hard this reminds me of Muhammad & Zainab!  Phwoar

    As to sexual gratification by the founder:

    Sura 33:50 Quran states:
    O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom God has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her; - this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess; - in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Y. Ali

    The reader should be able to see that the privilege given to Muhammad wasn?t that he could have more than four wives, but rather that he could take any woman who willingly offered herself to him. The ahadith solidify that this is the meaning of the passage:

    Narrated Aisha:
    I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah?s Apostle and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily)." (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 311)

    This sexual gratification is one criteria Muhammad clearly satisfies!  Tongue


    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: The difference between a cult and a religion
     Reply #8 - April 01, 2009, 02:25 PM

    I must add that all the faiths aliadiere mentioned satisfy some or the other criteria of cults- even Jesus satisfies the criteria of false medicines with His miracles!The only reason some religions are not called cults is due to the number of adherents & longevity!  bunny

    However, I don't know any other founder of a religion not cult who satisfies the sexual gratification criteria.

    Religions which have a founder include of course Christianity by Jesus, Buddhism by Buddha-who certainly don't satisfy the "sexual gratification" criteria. Nor does Zarathrushtra who founded Zoroastrianism, only Joseph Smith who founded Mormonism comes close to Muhammad in this criteria:

    http://www.bible.ca/islam/islamic-mormonism-similarities.htm

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: The difference between a cult and a religion
     Reply #9 - April 01, 2009, 03:08 PM

    Christianity was originally considered a splinter cult of Judaism by the Romans. Christians had to take pains to differentiate themselves from Judaism so that the Romans wouldn't perceive them as Jewish troublemakers.

    I suppose cults can develop into full-blown religions given enough time and adherents.

    "At 8:47 I do a grenade jump off a ladder."
  • Re: The difference between a cult and a religion
     Reply #10 - April 01, 2009, 03:42 PM

    A cult also tends to appoint considerable importance to a one leader, who is often the drive of the group...



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    et quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius,
    ad perpetranda miracula rei unius.
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