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  • Islam, Djinns & a clue about why Mo wasn't getting any followers in Mecca
     OP - April 03, 2009, 02:52 PM

    This isn't a joke folks, its the real thing, straight from the Quran & the Hadiths. Mo talks to trees, trees listen & answer back!  grin12

    Chapter 72 is a story of how some jinns heard about the koran and converted. A few commenters say these jinns were some group of people, although they can't agree on exactly who, but most of them just flat out believe there are actual real jinns running around, and they know they were really jinns because a tree said so! Roll Eyes

    A few poor,illiterate folks in Somlia & Afghanistan take this whole jinn possession thing a tad too seriously too!   sad
    http://www.outlawjournalism.com/blog/?p=801

    Narrated Abdur-Rahman:
    "I asked Masruq, Who informed the Prophet about the Jinns at the night when they heard the Qur'an He said, Your father Abdullah informed me that a tree informed the Prophet about them." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 199) grin12

    BTW, the Quran is supposedly a super scientific faith, I remember a (Muslim) poster at CEOMB saying a couple of days back that the Quran contained information that 7th century people wouldn't have access to, but this djinni superstition was rampant in 7th century Saudi so most Saudi folks of the day implicitly believed in these. Muhammad when he supposedly received his Revelation had thought that he'd becoma a kahin, ie a poet possessed by a jinni.Hassan ibn Thabit a poet who later accepted Islam also claimed to have been jinni possessed who had thrown him to the groud & forced verses from his mouth.

    Not surprisingly, Allah's Quran also speaks of jinns & the Hadiths speak of jinns & talkig trees!  idiot2

    AL-JINN (THE JINN)  

    In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.
    072.001
    YUSUFALI: Say: It has been revealed to me that a company of Jinns listened (to the Qur'an). They said, 'We have really heard a wonderful Recital!
    072.002
    YUSUFALI: 'It gives guidance to the Right, and we have believed therein: we shall not join (in worship) any (gods) with our Lord.
    072.003
    YUSUFALI: 'And Exalted is the Majesty of our Lord: He has taken neither a wife nor a son.
    072.004
    YUSUFALI: 'There were some foolish ones among us, who used to utter extravagant lies against Allah;
    072.005
    YUSUFALI: 'But we do think that no man or spirit should say aught that untrue against Allah.
    072.006
    YUSUFALI: 'True, there were persons among mankind who took shelter with persons among the Jinns, but they increased them in folly.
    072.007
    YUSUFALI: 'And they (came to) think as ye thought, that Allah would not raise up any one (to Judgment).
    072.008
    YUSUFALI: 'And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.
    072.009
    YUSUFALI: 'We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.
    072.010
    YUSUFALI: 'And we understand not whether ill is intended to those on earth, or whether their Lord (really) intends to guide them to right conduct.
    072.011
    YUSUFALI: 'There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary: we follow divergent paths.
    072.012
    YUSUFALI: 'But we think that we can by no means frustrate Allah throughout the earth, nor can we frustrate Him by flight.
    072.013
    YUSUFALI: 'And as for us, since we have listened to the Guidance, we have accepted it: and any who believes in his Lord has no fear, either of a short (account) or of any injustice.
    072.014
    YUSUFALI: 'Amongst us are some that submit their wills (to Allah), and some that swerve from justice. Now those who submit their wills - they have sought out (the path) of right conduct:
    072.015
    YUSUFALI: 'But those who swerve,- they are (but) fuel for Hell-fire'-
    072.016
    YUSUFALI: (And Allah's Message is): "If they (the Pagans) had (only) remained on the (right) Way, We should certainly have bestowed on them Rain in abundance.
    072.017
    YUSUFALI: "That We might try them by that (means). But if any turns away from the remembrance of his Lord, He will cause him to undergo a severe Penalty.
    072.018
    YUSUFALI: "And the places of worship are for Allah (alone): So invoke not any one along with Allah;
    072.019
    YUSUFALI: "Yet when the Devotee of Allah stands forth to invoke Him, they just make round him a dense crowd."
    072.020
    YUSUFALI: Say: "I do no more than invoke my Lord, and I join not with Him any (false god)."
    072.021
    YUSUFALI: Say: "It is not in my power to cause you harm, or to bring you to right conduct."
    072.022
    YUSUFALI: Say: "No one can deliver me from Allah (If I were to disobey Him), nor should I find refuge except in Him,
    072.023
    YUSUFALI: "Unless I proclaim what I receive from Allah and His Messages: for any that disobey Allah and His Messenger,- for them is Hell: they shall dwell therein for ever."
    072.024
    YUSUFALI: At length, when they see (with their own eyes) that which they are promised,- then will they know who it is that is weakest in (his) helper and least important in point of numbers.

    Thus jinnis really exist folks, coz the Quran says so. No kidding!  Tongue

    All this are the Mecca Suras when Muhammad had preached a few years without much success.

    This part gives us a good clue why Mo was unsuccessful after years of preaching!  Wink
    Mo says that he doesn't know what punishment has been appointed for people & whether it is near or for a distant term, Allah doesn't reveal these stuff to anyone, save a Messenger.

    072.025
    YUSUFALI: Say: "I know not whether the (Punishment) which ye are promised is near, or whether my Lord will appoint for it a distant term.
    PICKTHAL: Say (O Muhammad, unto the disbelievers): I know not whether that which ye are promised is nigh, or if my Lord hath set a distant term for it.
    SHAKIR: Say: I do not know whether that with which you are threatened be nigh or whether my Lord will appoint for it a term:


    072.026
    YUSUFALI: "He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Mysteries,-
    PICKTHAL: (He is) the Knower of the Unseen, and He revealeth unto none His secret,
    SHAKIR: The Knower of the unseen! so He does not reveal His secrets to any,
    072.027
    YUSUFALI: "Except a messenger whom He has chosen: and then He makes a band of watchers march before him and behind him,
    PICKTHAL: Save unto every messenger whom He hath chosen, and then He maketh a guard to go before him and a guard behind him
    SHAKIR: Except to him whom He chooses as a messenger; for surely He makes a guard to march before him and after him,

     072.028
    YUSUFALI: "That He may know that they have (truly) brought and delivered the Messages of their Lord: and He surrounds (all the mysteries) that are with them, and takes account of every single thing."
    PICKTHAL: That He may know that they have indeed conveyed the messages of their Lord. He surroundeth all their doings, and He keepeth count of all things.
    SHAKIR: So that He may know that they have truly delivered the messages of their Lord, and He encompasses what is with them and He records the number of all things.

    See the contradiction anyone?

    Mo: I dunno what punishment is set for thee, coz Allah doesn't divulge his secrets to anyone, save a Messenger!

    Meccan Pagans: Since Allah doesn't reveal his secrets to anyone save His Messenger & you dunno these stuff, its obvious you aint that Messenger. So fuck off!   bunny


    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Islam, Djinns & a clue about why Mo wasn't getting any followers in Mecca
     Reply #1 - April 03, 2009, 04:27 PM

    This is a piccy explaining the contradiction in Allah's ie Mo's preaching, from a blog called Uzza's Quran notes, from where I got the idea!
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8DtXuZ6Cku0/SThqztDvjmI/AAAAAAAAAZ4/CKbKAdY-Mgo/s1600-h/piss+off.jpg

    And this is an Islamonline Fatwa explaining about djinns.
    www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=35474

    Pre Islamic Saudi was full of djinns & pagan idols, Mo detested idolatry but incorporated djinns into his new faith too, from where poor deluded folks in Afghanistan & Somalia got the idea!  Angry

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Islam, Djinns & a clue about why Mo wasn't getting any followers in Mecca
     Reply #2 - April 03, 2009, 05:29 PM

    Another interesting titbit about djinns.Djinns eat shit.  Yum Yum

    I don't say so, Muhammad says so!  dance

    From Al-Bukhari, the most authentic Hadith collection.

    Volume 5, Book 58, Number 200:

    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    ... in the company of the Prophet ... I walked with him and asked, "What about the bone and the animal dung?" He said, "They are of the food of Jinns.

    Hear that Muslims & kafirs? The world is full of invisible, shit eating ghosts!  bounce

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Islam, Djinns & a clue about why Mo wasn't getting any followers in Mecca
     Reply #3 - April 03, 2009, 08:24 PM

    I'd recommend Charles Hoy Fort.
  • Re: Islam, Djinns & a clue about why Mo wasn't getting any followers in Mecca
     Reply #4 - April 04, 2009, 11:26 AM

    The disturbing thing is when some Muslims claim that Islam is the only religion with no pagan elements Cheesy

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
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