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  • Abortion is unethical
     OP - April 08, 2009, 11:27 AM

    Firstly, let me make myself clear I have no problem with euthanasia, and I also do not have a problem with abortion in the first 10 weeks. The whole issue is abortion on a sentient entity. When there is a possibility the foetus has conciousness.

    High-resolution 3D ultrasound images showing babies ?walking?, yawning, stretching and sucking thumbs in the womb. Foetuses can feel pain as low as 18 weeks, research suggests. Abhorrent methods used to abort a post 20-week baby, including a lethal injection to the heart, and dismembering the body and removing it from the womb limb by limb. Pregnancy testing kits are freely available at chemists, so there is little excuse for not diagnosing pregnancy before 24 weeks.


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  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #1 - April 08, 2009, 11:29 AM

    It is really hard for me to understand how a woman can be pro-abortion.
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #2 - April 08, 2009, 11:31 AM

    That's because you don't have to give birth, sunshine.

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  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #3 - April 08, 2009, 11:34 AM

    That's because you don't have to give birth, sunshine.


    So they are selfish basically and only thinking about themselves. By the way I don't have problem with abortion on medical grounds, but wanting an abortion just because it was un-planned and then you stood around for 30 weeks and then you get an abortion, that is sick. 
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #4 - April 08, 2009, 11:41 AM

    Would you rather an unwanted baby come in to the world which will most likely suffer from neglect (possibly even cruelty)?

    Abortion is a difficult decision to make, hence why some may wait several weeks. I thought the limit was 24 weeks?
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #5 - April 08, 2009, 11:41 AM

    I agree that it should be done in the first twelve weeks. Three months is quite a long time.

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  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #6 - April 08, 2009, 11:43 AM

    You see South Park where Cartman's mom was seeking an abortion in the 42nd trimester? Grin

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  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #7 - April 08, 2009, 11:44 AM

    That's because you don't have to give birth, sunshine.


    So they are selfish basically and only thinking about themselves. By the way I don't have problem with abortion on medical grounds, but wanting an abortion just because it was un-planned and then you stood around for 30 weeks and then you get an abortion, that is sick. 


    The legal limit for abortion is 24 weeks, and the usual reason it is left even that late is because the pregnancy was planned and wanted and then a diagnosis of severe disability is made on the unborn child which wasn't discernible earlier in the pregnancy.

    Nothing wrong with you being against abortion, Tut, but do get your facts right.

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  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #8 - April 08, 2009, 11:55 AM

    It's hard to say really, a fetus in the in the first eight weeks dosen't have many of the physical attributes to really call it a human. But at what point in the pregnancy can we say that we are killing a human being? Not a changing liveform that may become one. My opinion on the issue isn't concrete but i do think it is immoral to terminate a pregnancy after the first trimester.
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #9 - April 08, 2009, 01:40 PM

    I can't give a crap about a dead body, its our consciousness which makes us "humans" I was a vegetarian on the grounds that I thought it was unethical to kill sentient entities. Qualia is a very deep subject, I think those who don't show empathy for sentient entities actually lack intellectual credibility. Cheetah I do know in the UK the legal limit is 24 weeks, which is being purposed to being lowered to 20 weeks. If the child due to genetic deformities is going to have a life of suffering then abortion would be the best choice, I have no problem with abortion on medical grounds like I have no problem of shooting and animal in the head if it was hit by a car and it was unlikey it word survive and will only die suffering, would rather end its suffering.

    Honestly, you've not really seen have of sick shit some feminizes say, I saw one in town bearing a t-shirt with a coat-hanger printed on it, and bellow that a smiley face emocion. If you are just going to resort to killing just for the proposes of ridicule that is sickening, if you are going to wear a t-shirt which is highly offensive for the propose of ridiculing a factually and ethical based argument, then that is criminal.

  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #10 - April 08, 2009, 02:25 PM

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    Honestly, you've not really seen have of sick shit some feminizes say, I saw one in town bearing a t-shirt with a coat-hanger printed on it, and bellow that a smiley face emocion. If you are just going to resort to killing just for the proposes of ridicule that is sickening, if you are going to wear a t-shirt which is highly offensive for the propose of ridiculing a factually and ethical based argument, then that is criminal.


    You're not making sense here.  An offensive t-shirt is neither criminal nor sickening, its just a t-shirt.  Nothing in this paragraph has any relevance to the abortion debate.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #11 - April 08, 2009, 02:34 PM

    It is really hard for me to understand how a woman can be pro-abortion.


    It's not pro-ABORTION it's pro-CHOICE.

    For a woman to carry out a legal abortion, it has to be before 24 weeks, which is a boundary for a medical reason.

    That's because you don't have to give birth, sunshine.


    So they are selfish basically and only thinking about themselves. By the way I don't have problem with abortion on medical grounds, but wanting an abortion just because it was un-planned and then you stood around for 30 weeks and then you get an abortion, that is sick. 


    So your basically judging a woman on a choice she has made about her own body? Some people wait 20 weeks (not 30 that's not legal) and have the abortion a month before their limit 'expires' because they have to sort out a lot of issues. They don't just think about having an abortion over night. I know of people who have thought long and hard about having a child and then decided either way (either they will keep it, or in other cases they won't).

    Pro-choice is not unethical. How can you justify that view point if you believe euthanasia is okay?!  wacko
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #12 - April 08, 2009, 03:04 PM

    I can't give a crap about a dead body, its our consciousness which makes us "humans" I was a vegetarian on the grounds that I thought it was unethical to kill sentient entities. Qualia is a very deep subject, I think those who don't show empathy for sentient entities actually lack intellectual credibility. Cheetah I do know in the UK the legal limit is 24 weeks, which is being purposed to being lowered to 20 weeks. If the child due to genetic deformities is going to have a life of suffering then abortion would be the best choice, I have no problem with abortion on medical grounds like I have no problem of shooting and animal in the head if it was hit by a car and it was unlikey it word survive and will only die suffering, would rather end its suffering.

    Honestly, you've not really seen have of sick shit some feminizes say, I saw one in town bearing a t-shirt with a coat-hanger printed on it, and bellow that a smiley face emocion. If you are just going to resort to killing just for the proposes of ridicule that is sickening, if you are going to wear a t-shirt which is highly offensive for the propose of ridiculing a factually and ethical based argument, then that is criminal.




    The coat hanger issue is part of the pro-choice debate. Prior to the legalization of abortion in regulated clinics, a lot of women in the United States (and other countries) were having illegal back alley coat hanger abortions as a last resort. If abortion was made illegal, people would most probably do that again as a last resort which is dangerous! At least now they are in a controlled environment where they can get proper medical care.

    I think it's sick in the head that you judge a woman for having an abortion for a reason like possibly not being able to afford a child. Contraception isn't always effective.

    Pregnancy tests ARE readily available in chemists, but if a couple has used the right contraceptive methods then they wouldn't think that the girl is pregnant.

    Also, I've heard in many cases that girls DON'T miss their periods, often the first AND second period after conception. It's strange and I'm not sure how it works, but it has happened.

    I don't think there are reasonable grounds for YOU to judge a woman who makes the decision of having an abortion because she realises, for example, that she cannot afford it. What if she has the child because a bunch of uptight, anti-choice arseholes want to tell her what to do, and then the child lives in poverty because of that?

    What if she decides between the time of conception and 20 weeks that she has a stable job and can afford a child - even decides to keep it, then there's a sudden redundancy in her job at work and she can't afford anything?

    There are a lot of things to consider, you have merely taken an anti-choice (I chose to term it that because of your choice of words 'pro-abortion') at face value and think it is an easy as piss decision for the mother.

    I'm curious to know what your views are when a woman has been raped and is carrying a 'rape-child'?
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #13 - April 08, 2009, 03:30 PM

    I'm not entirely convinced by the arguments of either side of the abortion debate. I think it is a very difficult ethical dilemma despite the simplistic, black-and-white arguments given by both sides. I actually believe the US Supreme Court came up with a good compromise in Roe v. Wade, where abortion can only be restricted once the fetus is viable outside the womb. This recognizes the reproductive rights of women while balancing it with the possibility that a fetus is a person possessing the right to life which may trump the former right.

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  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #14 - April 08, 2009, 03:48 PM

    It is a difficult dilemna. I think that in many cases having the child and putting it up for adoption is the difficult but ethical thing to do.

    I don't really buy the "It's my body" argument because in this unique case we are actually talking about 2 bodies, one enclosed inside another.

    So I lean more closely to pro-life rather but both sides have valid arguments.


    @heart
    "I'm curious to know what your views are when a woman has been raped and is carrying a 'rape-child'? "

    This is a good question. I would encourage someone to have the child and keep it if they think they are up to it or give it up. Abortion should be an option however.

    I once revealed on a Muslim site that a former girlfriend of mine had an abortion. You should have seen how savagely the posters attacked me, before I told them the abortion occured before I had even met the girl.


    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #15 - April 08, 2009, 03:54 PM

    George Carlin.....

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    If a foetus is a human being how come the census doesn't count them?

    If a foetus is a human being how come if there is a miscarriage, we don't have a funeral?

    If a foetus is a human being how come we say "We have two children and one on the way" instead of saying we have three children?


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  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #16 - April 08, 2009, 04:05 PM


    @heart
    "I'm curious to know what your views are when a woman has been raped and is carrying a 'rape-child'? "

    This is a good question. I would encourage someone to have the child and keep it if they think they are up to it or give it up. Abortion should be an option however.

    I once revealed on a Muslim site that a former girlfriend of mine had an abortion. You should have seen how savagely the posters attacked me, before I told them the abortion occured before I had even met the girl.



    It's not easy for a victim of rape to give birth to a child that she did not choose to conceive. It's not fair on her to go through that, and perhaps later on in life have it come back and haunt her when the child grows up and wants to find his birth mother. Think about it this way, a woman has just been raped, it will take her months maybe years to get over this trauma, and a part of her will never get over it. I think it's unfair to have her carry a child for 9 months and add to that pain.

    If she can do it, she is very brave and I hope that any woman put in this situation has the support needed for such a traumatizing situation, but she should never be penalized for having an abortion.

    Btw, about the Muslim site...that's awful. People are so quick to judge, it's sad
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #17 - April 08, 2009, 05:00 PM

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    The coat hanger issue is part of the pro-choice debate.


    How can you even justify it, how can you even type that. You call it pro-choice? you call abortion of a concious entity choice, where is the choice in that entity living? What a total psychological disconnect, your logic is unfathomable. It is a feeling entity.
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     Prior to the legalization of abortion in regulated clinics, a lot of women in the United States (and other countries) were having illegal back alley coat hanger abortions as a last resort.


    Last resort? So they justified killing a living entity by calling it a "last resort" or whatever, when you could easily give birth and put it up for adaptation. It is a living FEELING entity how can you even not have an objection to the thought of killing a living entity in a inhumane way?   

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    If abortion was made illegal, people would most probably do that again as a last resort which is dangerous! At least now they are in a controlled environment where they can get proper medical care.


    Yes, these fucks need to be locked up, these stupid ass women need to be locked up for crimes against humanity.   
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    I think it's sick in the head that you judge a woman for having an abortion for a reason like possibly not being able to afford a child. Contraception isn't always effective.


    If you were using contraception and you became pregnant you would not wait for over 10 weeks to have an abortion.
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    Pregnancy tests ARE readily available in chemists, but if a couple has used the right contraceptive methods then they wouldn't think that the girl is pregnant.


    That is her fault then, there is no reason not to take permanency tests, when a life depends on it damn it! how fucking retarded is your response, its a fucking joke.

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    I don't think there are reasonable grounds for YOU to judge a woman who makes the decision of having an abortion.


    So I should not judge those who are killing defenceless living entities, and justifying it by disconnecting from it? 

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    because she realises, for example, that she cannot afford it. What if she has the child because a bunch of uptight, anti-choice arseholes want to tell her what to do, and then the child lives in poverty because of that?


    She cannot afford it? Some family cannot support children who are like 3 - 4 years old, also living entities, would if be justified if the mother decided to kill them? You now because it was too expensive for her broke ass? Fuck this, if someone is going to kill another living entity, other then extreme necessity, I will call them up on that.   
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    What if she decides between the time of conception and 20 weeks that she has a stable job and can afford a child - even decides to keep it, then there's a sudden redundancy in her job at work and she can't afford anything?


    Hay its ok to kill a living entity on the basis of "can't afford it" yeah justify it as some cheap ass product. 

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    There are a lot of things to consider, you have merely taken an anti-choice (I chose to term it that because of your choice of words 'pro-abortion') at face value and think it is an easy as piss decision for the mother.


    Lets call a spade, a spade. Its the killing of a living entity! Its KILLING!

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    I'm curious to know what your views are when a woman has been raped and is carrying a 'rape-child'?


    If its over 10 weeks she should keep it. Anything lower she can get an abortion. 
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #18 - April 08, 2009, 05:04 PM

    I take what I said back.
    I would not encourage a rape victim to choose either way. I would just shut the fuck up and support them whatever their choice.
     

    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #19 - April 08, 2009, 05:06 PM

    Quote from: King Tut
    If its over 10 weeks she should keep it. Anything lower she can get an abortion. 


    Well, I know from experience that even getting an abortion as early as 10 weeks can be difficult. I am certainly not condoning late-term abortions as I too believe that it should be done within the first trimester but at 10 weeks it is still difficult for the medics to see all the tissue inside the uterus hence even after the procedure there can still be tissue left in the womb which the body will try to reject through menstruation which can mean having a period which lasts for up to 3 weeks which is definitely not healthy.

    As I said, I know this as it happened to me.

    So, limiting the time period to 10 weeks is unrealistic but at the end of the day it is the woman's choice, plus consider that our planet is grossly overpopulated with humans as it is.

    That's my two cents worth.

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  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #20 - April 08, 2009, 05:07 PM

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    It's not pro-ABORTION it's pro-CHOICE.


    You can call it what ever you want, it is still KILLING a living entity.

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    So your basically judging a woman on a choice she has made about her own body?


    No I am judging her based on her requiring or being happy about killing a living entity, which feels!
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    Some people wait 20 weeks (not 30 that's not legal) and have the abortion a month before their limit 'expires' because they have to sort out a lot of issues. They don't just think about having an abortion over night. I know of people who have thought long and hard about having a child and then decided either way (either they will keep it, or in other cases they won't).


    Please, it does not take over 10 weeks to make a choice! Are women that timid?

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    Pro-choice is not unethical. How can you justify that view point if you believe euthanasia is okay?!  wacko


    There is consent in euthanasia in most cases, and the cases where there is non, the person or the body has no consciousness i.e. brain-dead, it does not FEEL any more.
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #21 - April 08, 2009, 05:17 PM

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    There is consent in euthanasia in most cases, and the cases where there is non, the person or the body has no consciousness i.e. brain-dead, it does not FEEL any more.


    I accept the consent argument, but your second argument is incompatible with your stance on abortion, because a foetus doesn't feel anything either  in the early stages of development.  So by that token you agree with the abortion law as it stands, ie, abortion is perfectly okay before the legal limit, with the minor reform that if evidence of pain can be shown in a foetus under 20 weeks the legal limit should be shortened.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #22 - April 08, 2009, 05:24 PM

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    There is consent in euthanasia in most cases, and the cases where there is non, the person or the body has no consciousness i.e. brain-dead, it does not FEEL any more.


    I accept the consent argument, but your second argument is incompatible with your stance on abortion, because a foetus doesn't feel anything either  in the early stages of development.  So by that token you agree with the abortion law as it stands, ie, abortion is perfectly okay before the legal limit, with the minor reform that if evidence of pain can be shown in a foetus under 20 weeks the legal limit should be shortened.


    Yes, but 20 weeks is still to high, it has to be 10 - 15 weeks until we have hard-evidence scientific evidence. We cannot take a risk on this issue.
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #23 - April 08, 2009, 05:34 PM

    If you have no scientific evidence about when a foetus starts to feel pain, then you have no point.  You will either have to say all abortion is wrong because "we cannot take a risk on this issue", or accept the status quo until you can produce evidence against it.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #24 - April 14, 2009, 12:14 PM

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    The coat hanger issue is part of the pro-choice debate.


    How can you even justify it, how can you even type that. You call it pro-choice? you call abortion of a concious entity choice, where is the choice in that entity living? What a total psychological disconnect, your logic is unfathomable. It is a feeling entity.
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    And how do you justify abortion BEFORE 10 weeks? Does the foetus have a 'choice' before 10 weeks? Does it send a telepathic signal to the mum and say 'Hey, it's okay...I'm less than 10 weeks old...go ahead!'

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     Prior to the legalization of abortion in regulated clinics, a lot of women in the United States (and other countries) were having illegal back alley coat hanger abortions as a last resort.


    Last resort? So they justified killing a living entity by calling it a "last resort" or whatever, when you could easily give birth and put it up for adaptation. It is a living FEELING entity how can you even not have an objection to the thought of killing a living entity in a inhumane way?   


    I'm saying THEY saw it as a last resort. Adaptation? I'm presuming you meant adoption. Go and have a look at foster homes and orphanages. They are OVERFLOWING with children. They grow up in those orphanages seeing couple after couple come in and NOT choose them. Is that quality living?


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    If abortion was made illegal, people would most probably do that again as a last resort which is dangerous! At least now they are in a controlled environment where they can get proper medical care.


    Yes, these fucks need to be locked up, these stupid ass women need to be locked up for crimes against humanity.  


    How is making a decision a crime against humanity? You didn't get my point it seems. They aren't doing coat hanger back alley abortions in countries where it is legal, so it is a safer environment for them. How does having a legalized safe abor

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    I think it's sick in the head that you judge a woman for having an abortion for a reason like possibly not being able to afford a child. Contraception isn't always effective.


    If you were using contraception and you became pregnant you would not wait for over 10 weeks to have an abortion.



    If I went through a situation of failed contraception, I may consider keeping the child anyway...look at this way...I haven't planned for a child, but my contraception has failed...I REALLY have to think over whether I can go through 9 months of carrying a baby and bringing it up - or giving it up for adoption. That sort of decision takes time.

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    Pregnancy tests ARE readily available in chemists, but if a couple has used the right contraceptive methods then they wouldn't think that the girl is pregnant.


    That is her fault then, there is no reason not to take permanency tests, when a life depends on it damn it! how fucking retarded is your response, its a fucking joke.



    How is that HER fault? Why is it the woman's fault? There are no situations and circumstances that are set in stone. There could be a variety of reasons that contraception fails. For one thing, it is not JUST or ALWAYS the woman's fault!  finmad


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    I don't think there are reasonable grounds for YOU to judge a woman who makes the decision of having an abortion.


    So I should not judge those who are killing defenceless living entities, and justifying it by disconnecting from it? 



    No, you have no right to judge a woman for it, for it is her decision to either carry the child for 9 months then give it up for adoption, keep the child, or have an abortion. Unless your wife is put in that situation, you have no relevant say in it.


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    because she realises, for example, that she cannot afford it. What if she has the child because a bunch of uptight, anti-choice arseholes want to tell her what to do, and then the child lives in poverty because of that?


    She cannot afford it? Some family cannot support children who are like 3 - 4 years old, also living entities, would if be justified if the mother decided to kill them? You now because it was too expensive for her broke ass? Fuck this, if someone is going to kill another living entity, other then extreme necessity, I will call them up on that.  


    People that can't support 3-4 year olds, in Western countries, generally get child support! A foetus is not medically proven to 'know' of that pain before 24 weeks. My mother could not afford a child when she became pregnant so she HAD to abort it. So you gonna call her a baby killer now? Even though she has put everything on the line for her two living children?


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    What if she decides between the time of conception and 20 weeks that she has a stable job and can afford a child - even decides to keep it, then there's a sudden redundancy in her job at work and she can't afford anything?


    Hay its ok to kill a living entity on the basis of "can't afford it" yeah justify it as some cheap ass product. 



    You obviously don't want to consider the circumstances that a woman will be in once she finds out she is pregnant. Like I said, there are no circumstances set in stone, there are a million different scenarios. It's a bunch of tissues.




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    There are a lot of things to consider, you have merely taken an anti-choice (I chose to term it that because of your choice of words 'pro-abortion') at face value and think it is an easy as piss decision for the mother.


    Lets call a spade, a spade. Its the killing of a living entity! Its KILLING!



    Next time you masturbate, think about all those prospective babies your killing  Wink



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    I'm curious to know what your views are when a woman has been raped and is carrying a 'rape-child'?


    If its over 10 weeks she should keep it. Anything lower she can get an abortion. 


    So she should keep her rape child? Your sick in the head. You obviously don't know anyone who has been raped. Sadly, I know many.

  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #25 - April 14, 2009, 12:16 PM

    I take what I said back.
    I would not encourage a rape victim to choose either way. I would just shut the fuck up and support them whatever their choice.
     


    Bob! I apologize if my post implied that you should "shut the fuck up", I honestly did not mean it like that.  far away hug
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #26 - April 14, 2009, 12:20 PM

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    Some people wait 20 weeks (not 30 that's not legal) and have the abortion a month before their limit 'expires' because they have to sort out a lot of issues. They don't just think about having an abortion over night. I know of people who have thought long and hard about having a child and then decided either way (either they will keep it, or in other cases they won't).


    Please, it does not take over 10 weeks to make a choice! Are women that timid?



    Some women might be timid. Again, you are putting all women in one box. If one woman comes up to you and says she can make the decision in 2 weeks, it doesn't mean ALL women are capable of doing that. Like I said, scenarios can differ, emotions can differ, circumstances can differ.

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    Pro-choice is not unethical. How can you justify that view point if you believe euthanasia is okay?!  wacko


    There is consent in euthanasia in most cases, and the cases where there is non, the person or the body has no consciousness i.e. brain-dead, it does not FEEL any more.


    Where is the medical research to say that a foetus can FEEL before 24 weeks?

    You mentioned that you are okay with abortion before 10 weeks, where is the medical research to prove that the foetus can't feel pain before that time? You said if there isn't any, we shouldn't take any risks, yet you are still okay with it before 10 weeks despite the lack of medical citation.

    Nour has provided her own personal experience, which supports my point.
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #27 - April 14, 2009, 12:23 PM

    Btw, I was trying to say that the coat hanger thing has historical relevance. I wasn't condoning the use of coat hangers for abortions  wacko
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #28 - April 14, 2009, 02:28 PM

    For me, a woman should have the right to deny the "use" of her body to grow a life form.

    That's because the body and mind of a fully formed and functional human is, pragmatically, a priority over the body and mind of a future potentially functional human that, at the moment, depends on her very existence.

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Abortion is unethical
     Reply #29 - April 14, 2009, 02:30 PM

    Having said that, I think it will be a great day when humanity will be able to grow babies "outside" the body of women. Because, then, women will stop being "necessary incubators" for the survival of our species.

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
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