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  • Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     OP - April 15, 2009, 04:16 PM
    Looks like I have overstayed the welcome here. This is not a Good Bye. I will write if I have anything new to ask or discuss later.

    Here are some comments and I hope the Admin or the owners of this site will seriously reflect:

    1. I suggest you change the name of this forum and do not use this name Council of ex-Muslims because you are becoming a
    total disgrace and shame to the actual Council of ex-Muslims of Britain.

    2. You are slowly going down into the drain just like the closet-apostate Ali Sina's site Faith Freedom International (FFI) which has no credibility at all and no credibility whatsoever.

    3. As far as I know, you have  a nice little place to chill out, all of you ex-Muslims can share your thoughts and have a good time
    and feel free to reminisce your Islamic past.  Cheesy

    4. I see no improvement in most of you, with the exception of a few, here or in those at Ali Sina's cesspool FFI and your anger, violence and hate has not really left you. Most of you remain in the Mullah or the Maulana Mode.  The Sub-Continental  Hindus and Christian polemicists have in fact made you more brain-dead.

    5. Even after leaving Islam, there is no appreciable change in you. You are as violent and rude as you were before and when you left Islam, you lost your faculty of using common sense.

    6. The members of the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain, have left Islam but they are decent folks. I have communicated with some of them via e-mails and none of them was rude or insolent like most of you and Ali Sina's FFI goons. They are a fine people, who do not hate Islam or the Muslims and you never hear from them any vulgarity that you display.

    7. COEMB is not standing for eradication of Islam and Muslims, while the charlatan Ali Sina and his FFI goons and some of you do stand for that. I have never heard any dirty slogan from COEMB but your forum is close to becoming a cesspool, if left unchecked, like that of Ali Sina and his site Faith Freedom International (FFI), where you can see its members floating in scum.

    8. The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain talks against the Death Penalty, talks about challenging Islam and political Islam and brings up issues with the problem with Sharia law issue in the UK, including for women's status, freedom of expression and the need for criticism of religion, as well as the separation of religion and the state. But you never see any vulgarity coming from COEMB, while you can see how vulgur, churlish and vain is FFI.

    I therefore sincerely suggest you change your name to some other XYZ ex-Muslim site and do not become an embarrassment and liability for COEMB.

    There are many ex-Muslims, who have nothing but disdain for the despicable charlatan Ali Sina, his goons and his site FFI.

    Just a sincere suggestion. I will be sending a copy of this post to COEMB. If you believe in freedom of speech and expression, do not edit or delete this post, a copy of which will also be posted at my site: www.faithfreedom.org.uk 

    Cheers & Good Night
    BMZ

  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #1 - April 15, 2009, 07:51 PM
    Whatever. I can translate that post for you. Basically you went for a debate with a member of FFI and lost. As long as they abide by the forum rules here membership of FFI does not automatically disqualify anyone from joining this site, regardless of what happens at FFI.

    In case you haven't noticed many people here aren't that fond of FFI either. Nevertheless we are running a public forum and that means members of the public are allowed to join. I'd also point out that we have very few "Sub-Continental  Hindus and Christian polemicists" on the list of active members and I very much doubt they have any significant influence on whether or not other members become "brain dead". I have a suspicion that in this context "brain dead" means "does not accept the assertions of BMZ when reading debate posts". It is barely possible that this is not evidence of a lack of brain activity.

    We have no intention of deleting or editing your post and would not have done so even if you hadn't mentioned the possibility. You are entitled to your opinion.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #2 - April 15, 2009, 07:56 PM
    BMZ I am waiting for your confirmation. DO you want to continue the debate or not? Civility would be guaranteed from my side as long as you are not the first one to attack me. In the last debate you put some mockery in there and thats where I lost my cool and decided to mock you. IF you wish to continue let me know and I will start a thread tomorrow.
  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #3 - April 16, 2009, 03:14 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 15, 2009, 07:51 PM
    Whatever. I can translate that post for you. Basically you went for a debate with a member of FFI and lost. As long as they abide by the forum rules here membership of FFI does not automatically disqualify anyone from joining this site, regardless of what happens at FFI.

    In case you haven't noticed many people here aren't that fond of FFI either. Nevertheless we are running a public forum and that means members of the public are allowed to join. I'd also point out that we have very few "Sub-Continental  Hindus and Christian polemicists" on the list of active members and I very much doubt they have any significant influence on whether or not other members become "brain dead". I have a suspicion that in this context "brain dead" means "does not accept the assertions of BMZ when reading debate posts". It is barely possible that this is not evidence of a lack of brain activity.

    We have no intention of deleting or editing your post and would not have done so even if you hadn't mentioned the possibility. You are entitled to your opinion.


    Yes, I know most of you are not fond of FFI either but you allow and encourage filth, appended below for an easy reference,
    from a poster skynightblaze.

    As a moderator, you should have stepped in earlier or perhaps the following is perfectly a normal behaviour in your eyes. I did not see any interjection from you as a moderator. Is this the way that you conduct a forum?

    You know well what had happened at FFI, which made you guys leave that cesspool. And now you are doing the same thing by allowing filth to go on. Even being a Muslim, I have a soft spot for your site and I write here because of the civility shown by most ex-Muslims at this site. The twenty or thirty writing here do not matter. What matters is the silent majority of international readers, who can see all the crap written here. You need to encourage civility and maintain it.

    Do you think that all the ex-Muslims are talking to their parents, friends and in the manner they do here? All I see is hypocrisy and bigotry. COEMB was not formed for this exercise and that is why I suggested a name change.

    If you cannot damn filth written by non-Muslim posters, then do not damn anyone and do not warn anyone of smites! Warn the poster who initiates filth. I do not see any action when it is required.

    Now the quotes that you missed or chose to ignore. The quotes are from skynightblaze:

    Quote
    Here is the classic verse for you.A clear cut case of a jerk aroused by his adopted sons wife!! What a disgusting prophet!! IF I were zaid I would have beaten him black and blue and spit on him.Poor Zaid was fooled and his wife was snatched from him.


    Quote
    Btw  did you ever pass in your schools? i highly doubt it.1All these 51 years I think you grew only physically. You show a maturity  of a 7 year old kid.  For 51 years of your life you have been just a troll. YOu could never make any promotion.

    Your filthy prophet was the one who was aroused when he saw her half dressed. Your own sources tell us this.Ofcourse you reject them but that doesnt mean they are false  however I knew brain dead zombie like you would question here and I was prepared for it. Lets see whether you understand some logic or not though I know you wont.


    Zaid divorced her after he came to know of your filthy prophets desire for her. IT was  your dirty old man who lusted after her .Its  clear from the verse itself that it was muhhamad who desired her and the verses came only to satisfy his lust.

    It is clear from above that   muhhamad hide in his heart the desire to marry zainab something which Allah hadnt revealed which means muhhamad desired zainab even before the verse was revealed .If allah hadnt commanded anything how could muhhamad hide this thing in his heart unless he himself felt like marrying her?

    There is your filthy sexual pervert !!  Now you tell me why Zaid divorced here using quran only. I have proved that Muhhamad desired Zainab.The reason why he divorced is clear.


    Have you seen any debater using such filthy language in real life? It may be a debate quality material in your view and the view of your forum members but in the eyes of decent folks, it will be considered filth.

    Anyway, I will still write here when I like. There are some good and decent folks here. Take a look at Khalil Fariel. At least when he discusses with me, he shows civility. That is what is required during exchanges.

    I have put the poster skynightblaze on IGNORE, so he should not expect anymore response from me. I would prefer to stay miles away from his sty.

    Cheers
    BMZ   
  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #4 - April 16, 2009, 04:18 AM
    @Osmanthus

    Do you see he is trying to increase the hatred between 2 forums. He wants you all guys to respect a demon like Muhhamad. Btw Can anyone tell me what is wrong with my statements above? Wasnt  Muhhamad a filthy sexual pervert who stole his adopted sons wife. Why should I respect a person who was a paedophile,murderer,thief etc etc?Huh? Why should I respect a man who calls me  worst of creatures?

    FFI and COEM may have disagreements but the disagreement was never with the character of Muhhamad.BMZ is trying to take advantage of our disagreement . Perhaps he thinks that members of COEM would respect muhhamad . Cheesy. Anyway There is the coward looking for excuses to run away from the debate. I was eagerly waiting to crush
    him.
  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #5 - April 16, 2009, 04:41 AM
    @osmanthus

    I have already proved in my post that Muhhamad was sexual pervert. I have made an accusation after I have proven my point which in my view is right and not wrong. Calling spade a spade  is not abuse. Just because BMZ will be hurt I would not back off by calling this man a saint.
  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #6 - April 16, 2009, 05:04 AM
    Quote from: BMZ on April 16, 2009, 03:14 AM
    Yes, I know most of you are not fond of FFI either but you allow and encourage filth, appended below for an easy reference,
    from a poster skynightblaze.

    As a moderator, you should have stepped in earlier or perhaps the following is perfectly a normal behaviour in your eyes. I did not see any interjection from you as a moderator. Is this the way that you conduct a forum?

    The staff are not online 24/7. We have lives too. Before continuing I'll remind you of this excerpt from the forum rules.

    Quote
    If you get involved in a flame war with another member or members the staff will not be interested in "who started it".
    If you want the staff to be sympathetic to your position please try to refrain from responding to abuse with more abuse.


    I think this may be relevant to the current situation. Now I don't know where you got those quotes from because you didn't include the relevant links, but to the best of my recollection by the time I signed on the other day you and SNB were merrily flinging dung at each other. Contrary to certain rumours I am not overly authoritarian and much prefer people to sort out the trivia between themselves like adults. Accordingly, at what seemed like an appropriate moment I made a polite request in your debate thread for "less ridicule and more substance, please".

    This was ignored, although before ignoring it both of you did indulge in grandiloquent protestations of your moral superiority over your dastardly opponent. Thank you for that. I did find it rather entertaining.

    Anyway, after the two of you persisted in dragging the battle into another thread I asked you to tone it down again and then said that if you didn't I might need to do something about it. I hardly think this constitutes injustice or persecution on my behalf. I also must admit to being rather astonished at being faced with two apparently grown men who claim to want to debate each other while simultaneously putting each other on their respective ignore lists. This is truly exquisite stuff.


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    You know well what had happened at FFI, which made you guys leave that cesspool. And now you are doing the same thing by allowing filth to go on. Even being a Muslim, I have a soft spot for your site and I write here because of the civility shown by most ex-Muslims at this site. The twenty or thirty writing here do not matter. What matters is the silent majority of international readers, who can see all the crap written here. You need to encourage civility and maintain it.

    We would be delighted if you would help us to maintain it. Thank you for your invaluable assistance in this matter.


    Quote from: BMZ on April 16, 2009, 03:14 AM
    Now the quotes that you missed or chose to ignore. The quotes are from skynightblaze:

    Quote
    Here is the classic verse for you.A clear cut case of a jerk aroused by his adopted sons wife!! What a disgusting prophet!! IF I were zaid I would have beaten him black and blue and spit on him.Poor Zaid was fooled and his wife was snatched from him.


    Quote
    Btw  did you ever pass in your schools? i highly doubt it.1All these 51 years I think you grew only physically. You show a maturity  of a 7 year old kid.  For 51 years of your life you have been just a troll. YOu could never make any promotion.

    Your filthy prophet was the one who was aroused when he saw her half dressed. Your own sources tell us this.Ofcourse you reject them but that doesnt mean they are false  however I knew brain dead zombie like you would question here and I was prepared for it. Lets see whether you understand some logic or not though I know you wont.


    Zaid divorced her after he came to know of your filthy prophets desire for her. IT was  your dirty old man who lusted after her .Its  clear from the verse itself that it was muhhamad who desired her and the verses came only to satisfy his lust.

    It is clear from above that   muhhamad hide in his heart the desire to marry zainab something which Allah hadnt revealed which means muhhamad desired zainab even before the verse was revealed .If allah hadnt commanded anything how could muhhamad hide this thing in his heart unless he himself felt like marrying her?

    There is your filthy sexual pervert !!  Now you tell me why Zaid divorced here using quran only. I have proved that Muhhamad desired Zainab.The reason why he divorced is clear.


    Have you seen any debater using such filthy language in real life? It may be a debate quality material in your view and the view of your forum members but in the eyes of decent folks, it will be considered filth.

    Anyway, I will still write here when I like. There are some good and decent folks here. Take a look at Khalil Fariel. At least when he discusses with me, he shows civility. That is what is required during exchanges.

    I have put the poster skynightblaze on IGNORE, so he should not expect anymore response from me. I would prefer to stay miles away from his sty.

    Cheers
    BMZ   

    Well I'll say that some of the parts you bolded do seem a bit ridiculous. As an example, I fail to see why an adult heterosexual male being attracted to an adult heterosexual female would be grounds for an accusation of "perversion". This is particularly odd because SNB also seems to be rather vehemently against male homosexuality, which leads me to wonder what he is in favour of. I guess some people are just difficult to please.

    On the other hand I think the suggestion that the verse was "revealed" to satisfy Mohammed's lust is a perfectly reasonable opinion. I realise Muslims will find this offensive but nevertheless I think it is quite a valid suggestion that makes a lot of sense. If you are going to debate about your religion then you will hear opinions that you find offensive. It comes with the territory.
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  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #7 - April 16, 2009, 05:12 AM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 16, 2009, 04:18 AM
    @Osmanthus

    Do you see he is trying to increase the hatred between 2 forums. He wants you all guys to respect a demon like Muhhamad. Btw Can anyone tell me what is wrong with my statements above? Wasnt  Muhhamad a filthy sexual pervert who stole his adopted sons wife. Why should I respect a person who was a paedophile,murderer,thief etc etc?Huh? Why should I respect a man who calls me  worst of creatures?

    Obviously he would like us to respect Mohammed. BMZ is a Muslim, so of course he respects Mohammed and would like others to do the same. You are not obliged to respect Mohammed if you do not think he was worthy of respect. As for "increase the hatred between the forums" I can assure you there is no hatred on my part. It's frankly more like disdain.


    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 16, 2009, 04:41 AM
    @osmanthus

    I have already proved in my post that Muhhamad was sexual pervert. I have made an accusation after I have proven my point which in my view is right and not wrong. Calling spade a spade  is not abuse. Just because BMZ will be hurt I would not back off by calling this man a saint.

    Actually if the post you're referring to is the one about Zaid and Zainab then you have not proven perversion at all, unless you think it is perversion for an adult male to be attracted to an adult female. Now what you could say, if you were arguing clearly, is that you suspect Mohammed deliberately abused his status to get what he wanted. That is unethical but is not perverted as such. Putting it this way would be far more productive than screaming about demons and perversion.
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  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #8 - April 16, 2009, 05:16 AM
    @Osmanthus

    Can you tell me how you define a sexual pervert?
  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #9 - April 16, 2009, 05:18 AM
    Start another thread about it. I can't see it being directly relevant to a board supposedly devoted to CEMB business.
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  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #10 - April 16, 2009, 06:16 AM
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a portion of the forum rules or something that states "opinions posted on this forum does not reflect CEMB" or something of that nature? Huh?

    I'm not exactly sure what BMZ is on about. I mean, whatever happened to free speech? Sure, there are some members on here who have "radical" anti-Islamic views, but that doesn't mean they can't express it. Their comments does not in any way reflect my personal views against Islam, or against any other religion for that matter-as most of you may know I'm much less "radical" than some posters here.

    As Os said, it IS a public forum for fuck's sake.

    There you go BMZ, you can now quote me as being part of the "cesspool" too.
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  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #11 - April 16, 2009, 12:44 PM
    I didnt write any false information here. I accused muhhamad for whatever he was. IT was not  a case of 2 consenting individuals otherwise I would not have used such a term. I can prove BMZ that whatever term I used for Muhhamad looking at the issue was a correct term and hence I dont think so calling spade a spade is a problem .
  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #12 - April 16, 2009, 03:31 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 16, 2009, 12:44 PM
    I didnt write any false information here. I accused muhhamad for whatever he was. IT was not  a case of 2 consenting individuals otherwise I would not have used such a term. I can prove BMZ that whatever term I used for Muhhamad looking at the issue was a correct term and hence I dont think so calling spade a spade is a problem .


    Were you wishing to use incestuous instead of pervert?

    Anyway, incest IS considered to be a perversion.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
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  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #13 - April 16, 2009, 03:34 PM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on April 16, 2009, 03:31 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 16, 2009, 12:44 PM
    I didnt write any false information here. I accused muhhamad for whatever he was. IT was not  a case of 2 consenting individuals otherwise I would not have used such a term. I can prove BMZ that whatever term I used for Muhhamad looking at the issue was a correct term and hence I dont think so calling spade a spade is a problem .


    Were you wishing to use incestuous instead of pervert?

    Anyway, incest IS considered to be a perversion.


    Nope. I meant pure perversion.
  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #14 - April 16, 2009, 04:15 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 16, 2009, 03:34 PM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on April 16, 2009, 03:31 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 16, 2009, 12:44 PM
    I didnt write any false information here. I accused muhhamad for whatever he was. IT was not  a case of 2 consenting individuals otherwise I would not have used such a term. I can prove BMZ that whatever term I used for Muhhamad looking at the issue was a correct term and hence I dont think so calling spade a spade is a problem .

    Were you wishing to use incestuous instead of pervert?
    Anyway, incest IS considered to be a perversion.

    Nope. I meant pure perversion.

    And I will defend you're right to believe it.  There should be no blasphemy laws here - its a secular website for Gods sake!
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  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #15 - April 16, 2009, 06:15 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 16, 2009, 04:15 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 16, 2009, 03:34 PM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on April 16, 2009, 03:31 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 16, 2009, 12:44 PM
    I didnt write any false information here. I accused muhhamad for whatever he was. IT was not  a case of 2 consenting individuals otherwise I would not have used such a term. I can prove BMZ that whatever term I used for Muhhamad looking at the issue was a correct term and hence I dont think so calling spade a spade is a problem .

    Were you wishing to use incestuous instead of pervert?
    Anyway, incest IS considered to be a perversion.

    Nope. I meant pure perversion.

    And I will defend you're right to believe it.  There should be no blasphemy laws here - its a secular website for Gods sake!


    Thanks Islame. Its not my blind belief or hatred for islam making me use those words . Its what facts say and thats why I called him a sexual pervert. Anyway for the first time I felt at home here  by such a comment.
  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #16 - April 16, 2009, 06:32 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 16, 2009, 04:15 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 16, 2009, 03:34 PM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on April 16, 2009, 03:31 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 16, 2009, 12:44 PM
    I didnt write any false information here. I accused muhhamad for whatever he was. IT was not  a case of 2 consenting individuals otherwise I would not have used such a term. I can prove BMZ that whatever term I used for Muhhamad looking at the issue was a correct term and hence I dont think so calling spade a spade is a problem .

    Were you wishing to use incestuous instead of pervert?
    Anyway, incest IS considered to be a perversion.

    Nope. I meant pure perversion.

    And I will defend you're right to believe it.  There should be no blasphemy laws here - its a secular website for Gods sake!


    I remember the days we had a bitter discussion on the issue of God I think. This statement of yours has increased the respect I have for you.

    Thank you Islame.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #17 - April 16, 2009, 06:58 PM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on April 16, 2009, 06:32 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 16, 2009, 04:15 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 16, 2009, 03:34 PM
    Quote from: charlesmartel on April 16, 2009, 03:31 PM
    Quote from: skynightblaze on April 16, 2009, 12:44 PM
    I didnt write any false information here. I accused muhhamad for whatever he was. IT was not  a case of 2 consenting individuals otherwise I would not have used such a term. I can prove BMZ that whatever term I used for Muhhamad looking at the issue was a correct term and hence I dont think so calling spade a spade is a problem .

    Were you wishing to use incestuous instead of pervert?
    Anyway, incest IS considered to be a perversion.

    Nope. I meant pure perversion.

    And I will defend you're right to believe it.  There should be no blasphemy laws here - its a secular website for Gods sake!


    I remember the days we had a bitter discussion on the issue of God I think. This statement of yours has increased the respect I have for you.

    Thank you Islame.

    I dont remember?  Sadly I have had so many bitter discussions - what was the discussion about?
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  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #18 - April 16, 2009, 07:19 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 16, 2009, 04:15 PM
    And I will defend you're right to believe it.  There should be no blasphemy laws here - its a secular website for Gods sake!


    Of course there should be no blasphemy laws, but does that mean we can't ask people to be civil? Saying things like "filthy pervert" just injects unnecessary needle into a discussion.
  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #19 - April 16, 2009, 07:29 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 16, 2009, 07:19 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 16, 2009, 04:15 PM
    And I will defend you're right to believe it.  There should be no blasphemy laws here - its a secular website for Gods sake!


    Of course there should be no blaspheme laws, but does that mean we can't ask people to be civil? Saying things like "filthy pervert" just injects unnecessary needle into a discussion.


    If they repeatedly show no respect or civility, as he has done from the start (see all his posts), do you think he still deserves it?
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  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #20 - April 16, 2009, 07:32 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 16, 2009, 07:19 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 16, 2009, 04:15 PM
    And I will defend you're right to believe it.  There should be no blasphemy laws here - its a secular website for Gods sake!


    Of course there should be no blaspheme laws, but does that mean we can't ask people to be civil? Saying things like "filthy pervert" just injects unnecessary needle into a discussion.


    May be he should use "clean pervert" instead of "filthy pervert" so as not to offend the sensibilities of people.
    Islam is a funny religion which is misunderstood by its scholars and correctly understood by ordinary Muslims.
    Faith is keeping your eyes shut when looking at the world, and/or keeping your eyes open only for the beauty of the world.
  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #21 - April 16, 2009, 07:47 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 16, 2009, 07:29 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 16, 2009, 07:19 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 16, 2009, 04:15 PM
    And I will defend you're right to believe it.  There should be no blasphemy laws here - its a secular website for Gods sake!


    Of course there should be no blaspheme laws, but does that mean we can't ask people to be civil? Saying things like "filthy pervert" just injects unnecessary needle into a discussion.


    If they repeatedly show no respect or civility, as he has done from the start (see all his posts), do you think he still deserves it?


    I haven't read the debate between the two of them, but yes, I certainly agree that anyone who descends into abusive language cannot complain if he gets it right back. (Though personally I would still try to avoid such behaviour. After all shouldn't we be aimimng to keep to the standards we believe in rather than stooping to the level of others?)
  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #22 - April 16, 2009, 09:24 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 16, 2009, 07:47 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 16, 2009, 07:29 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 16, 2009, 07:19 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on April 16, 2009, 04:15 PM
    And I will defend you're right to believe it.  There should be no blasphemy laws here - its a secular website for Gods sake!


    Of course there should be no blaspheme laws, but does that mean we can't ask people to be civil? Saying things like "filthy pervert" just injects unnecessary needle into a discussion.


    If they repeatedly show no respect or civility, as he has done from the start (see all his posts), do you think he still deserves it?


    I haven't read the debate between the two of them, but yes, I certainly agree that anyone who descends into abusive language cannot complain if he gets it right back. (Though personally I would still try to avoid such behaviour. After all shouldn't we be aimimng to keep to the standards we believe in rather than stooping to the level of others?)

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  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #23 - April 20, 2009, 09:43 PM
    I've only been on these forums for a short while but I have to admit that some of the content is really ridiculous and some of the threads just degenerate into pointless flame wars, insults, pornographic language, and so on. I mean I'm all for free speech, but it can be embarrassing to think of myself being associated with the above things.
  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #24 - April 20, 2009, 10:04 PM
    Quote from: ned on April 20, 2009, 09:43 PM
    I've only been on these forums for a short while but I have to admit that some of the content is really ridiculous and some of the threads just degenerate into pointless flame wars, insults, pornographic language, and so on. I mean I'm all for free speech, but it can be embarrassing to think of myself being associated with the above things.


    Agreed. 
  • Re: Please Spare The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
     Reply #25 - April 20, 2009, 10:12 PM
    Quote from: Variable on April 20, 2009, 10:04 PM
    Quote from: ned on April 20, 2009, 09:43 PM
    I've only been on these forums for a short while but I have to admit that some of the content is really ridiculous and some of the threads just degenerate into pointless flame wars, insults, pornographic language, and so on. I mean I'm all for free speech, but it can be embarrassing to think of myself being associated with the above things.


    Agreed. 


    We're currently in the process of revising the system we have to deal with problem posters, because Damnation does indeed seem to be resulting in the above problems.  The balance has to be struck between respecting people's right to free speech, even if their opinions are not popular, while not allowing the forum to turn into a bear pit.  The new rules will be posted in a day or two.

    However, I would remind you that if you post on a forum, and someone else on that forum makes ridiculous posts, uses pornographic language, etc, it is not you who should feel embarrassed, it is them.
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  • Good Bye to all
     Reply #26 - April 22, 2009, 07:03 AM
    It was a pleasure to have written here. To be honest, I did find many nice people but I do not wish this site to be ruined by the recent influx of posters from the FFI cesspool.

    All of you guys at COEM have your nice little place where you can chit chat and speak out your mind.

    My best wishes to all of you.

    If, by mistake, anyone misses me,  Cheesy please contact me at www.faithfreedom.org.uk   Smiley

    Cheers
    BMZ
  • Re: Good Bye to all
     Reply #27 - April 22, 2009, 09:10 AM
    Quote from: BMZ on April 22, 2009, 07:03 AM
    My best wishes to all of you.

    In other words, you flee from rational debate once more.  Roll Eyes
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  • Re: Good Bye to all
     Reply #28 - April 22, 2009, 12:24 PM
    Quote from: BMZ on April 22, 2009, 07:03 AM
    It was a pleasure to have written here. To be honest, I did find many nice people but I do not wish this site to be ruined by the recent influx of posters from the FFI cesspool.

    All of you guys at COEM have your nice little place where you can chit chat and speak out your mind.

    My best wishes to all of you.

    If, by mistake, anyone misses me,  Cheesy please contact me at www.faithfreedom.org.uk   Smiley

    Cheers
    BMZ


    Best wishes, BMZ - I did pop into your forum, but I am now pretty much a one-forum-guy as I already spend more time than I should online.

    I hope you do pop back again sometimes - and I don't think I ever did get your feedback  on the videos I posted on your forum.

    In particular Hell - I'd be interested in how you justify it.

    Maybe another time.

    Take care,

    Hassan.
  • Re: Good Bye to all
     Reply #29 - April 22, 2009, 04:48 PM
    Quote from: BMZ on April 22, 2009, 07:03 AM
    It was a pleasure to have written here. To be honest, I did find many nice people but I do not wish this site to be ruined by the recent influx of posters from the FFI cesspool.


    I am sure the members of COEM would be touched by your concern for their forum. That you do not seem to like us, however, is understandable Smiley

    Quote from: BMZ
    All of you guys at COEM have your nice little place where you can chit chat and speak out your mind.


    I hope you are not mocking COEM. I am sure they think that they engage in serious dialogue; chit-chat is only for relaxation.

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