Skip navigation
Sidebar -

Advanced search options →

Welcome

Welcome to CEMB forum.
Please login or register. Did you miss your activation email?

Donations

Help keep the Forum going!
Click on Kitty to donate:

Kitty is lost

Recent Posts


Gaza assault
Yesterday at 09:25 AM

New Britain
February 25, 2025, 08:11 PM

Do humans have needed kno...
February 25, 2025, 03:50 AM

اضواء على الطريق ....... ...
by akay
February 23, 2025, 09:40 AM

What music are you listen...
by zeca
February 22, 2025, 09:50 PM

Lights on the way
by akay
February 22, 2025, 02:56 PM

German nationalist party ...
February 21, 2025, 10:31 AM

Random Islamic History Po...
by zeca
February 14, 2025, 08:00 AM

Qur'anic studies today
by zeca
February 13, 2025, 10:07 PM

Muslim grooming gangs sti...
February 13, 2025, 08:20 PM

Russia invades Ukraine
February 13, 2025, 11:01 AM

Islam and Science Fiction
February 11, 2025, 11:57 PM

Theme Changer

 Topic: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions

 (Read 6237 times)
  • 12 Next page « Previous thread | Next thread »
  • Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     OP - April 18, 2009, 07:56 PM

    Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions

    Many Muslims (not all ) believe only muslims go to paradise, which makes God unjust

    Christians believe God became man and died for sin and eat/ shit as a man, which makes God irrational

    Jews believe they are chosen by God, which makes God a bigot

    Hindus believe God can became a man, cow, snake, monkey, elephant and eat/shit as a man

    The reason for people to reject God because all believers in God attribute irrationality to God.

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #1 - April 18, 2009, 08:06 PM

    Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions

    Many Muslims (not all ) believe only muslims go to paradise, which makes God unjust

    Christians believe God became man and died for sin and eat/ shit as a man, which makes God irrational

    Jews believe they are chosen by God, which makes God a bigot

    Hindus believe God can became a man, cow, snake, monkey, elephant and eat/shit as a man

    The reason for people to reject God because all believers in God attribute irrationality to God.



    I guess God is a bad communicator.
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #2 - April 18, 2009, 08:21 PM

    Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions

    Many Muslims (not all ) believe only muslims go to paradise, which makes God unjust

    Christians believe God became man and died for sin and eat/ shit as a man, which makes God irrational

    Jews believe they are chosen by God, which makes God a bigot

    Hindus believe God can became a man, cow, snake, monkey, elephant and eat/shit as a man

    The reason for people to reject God because all believers in God attribute irrationality to God.



    I guess God is a bad communicator.



    no it is not fault of god nor human, you see after god sent message, human misinterprete his book after hundreads of years

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #3 - April 18, 2009, 08:21 PM

    I see you can easily find funny facts about other gods, but how do you feel about the following verses?

    Quote from: Yusuf Ali
    67:16: Do ye feel secure that He Who is in heaven will not cause you to be swallowed up by the earth when it shakes (as in an earthquake)?
    67:17: Or do ye feel secure that He Who is in Heaven will not send against you a violent tornado (with showers of stones), so that ye shall know how (terrible) was My warning?
    22:47: Yet they ask thee to hasten on the Punishment! But Allah will not fail in His Promise. Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.
    70:4: The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years:


    Does Allah live in the sky, kope?

    German ex-Muslim forumMy YouTubeList of Ex-Muslims
    Wikis: en de fr ar tr
    CEMB-Chat
    I'm on an indefinite break...
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #4 - April 18, 2009, 08:45 PM

    human misinterprete his book after hundreads of years


    Then clearly he's not omnipotent.

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #5 - April 18, 2009, 08:46 PM

    So, how about these verses right from the Quran... are they not the word of god?

    Quote
    (Allah made the stars as missiles to throw at devils)
    67:5 And verily We have beautified the world's heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame.

    (Humans are formed from "a gushing fluid" that issues "from between the loins and the ribs.")
    86:5 So let man consider from what he is created.
    86:6 He is created from a gushing fluid
    86:7 That issued from between the loins and ribs.

    (The sun rises and sets at particular places on a flat earth. At the westernmost point on earth, the sun sets in a muddy spring.)
    18:86 Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.

    (The earth is flat according to the Quran.)
    50:7: 50:7 And the earth have We spread out, and have flung firm hills therein, and have caused of every lovely kind to grow thereon,

    (All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die.)
    3:85 And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.

    (God is pissed at Iblis for not bowing down and worshipping man. But why? Wouldn't this be idolatry?)
    15:32 He said: O Iblis! What aileth thee that thou art not among the prostrate?

    (The wives of Muhammad will be punished double for lewdness. If they criticize their husband, Allah will replace them with better ones. (And that is easy for Allah.)) (What an easy SCAM for Mohammed!)
    66:5 It may happen that his Lord, if he divorce you, will give him in your stead wives better than you, submissive (to Allah), believing, pious, penitent, devout, inclined to fasting, widows and maids.

    (Women are feeble and are unable to devise a plan.)
    4:98 Except the feeble among men, and the women, and the children, who are unable to devise a plan and are not shown a way.

    (Men are in charge of women, because Allah made men to be better than women. Women must obey men, and if they refuse they must be punished. Refuse to have sex with them and beat them into submission (Islam))
    4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them.




    Will you be defending these "words of god" now? Cause I have more I can paste.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #6 - April 18, 2009, 08:53 PM

    kope, you are not the first and you won't be the last to have your doubts that you're desperately looking for a way to relieve. It's a sign of intelligence if one can actually look critically at the things they were taught and discard those things that are wrong either because they are cruel or because they are irrational things. You don't have to hold on so tightly when your heart is telling you otherwise. Nobody will judge you, there won't be a lightning bolt coming out of the sky for you. We have all been there... most of us here were Muslims and we believed in ALL the justifications you can possibly come up with.

    Let go of the dogma and imagine for a moment how it would be if you could really follow your heart and your own rationality instead of defending an ideology that is not who you are. You are more than the religion you were born into. You are a human being first. Try to open your mind and know that you are not alone in your journey.

    I will quote Omar Khayyam here for you:

    You want to know the Secret--so did I,
    Low in the dust I sought it, and on high
    Sought it in awful flight from star to star,
    The Sultan's watchman of the starry sky.

    Up, up, where Parwin's hoofs stamp heaven's floor,
    My soul went knocking at each starry door,
    Till on the stilly top of heaven's stair,
    Clear-eyed I looked--and laughed--and climbed no more.

    Of all my seeking this is all my gain:
    No agony of any mortal brain
    Shall wrest the secret of the life of man;
    The Search has taught me that the Search is vain.

    Look not above, there is no answer there;
    Pray not, for no one listens to your prayer;
    Near is as near to God as any Far,
    And Here is just the same deceit as There.

    But here are wine and beautiful young girls,
    Be wise and hide your Sorrows in their curls,
    Dive as you will in life's mysterious sea,
    You shall not bring us any better pearls.

    Allah, perchance, the secret word might spell;
    If Allah be, He keeps His secret well;
    What He hath hidden, who shall hope to find?
    Shall God His secret to a maggot tell?

    So since with all my passion and my skill,
    The world's mysterious meaning mocks me still,
    Shall I not piously believe that I
    Am kept in darkness by the heavenly will?

    The Koran! well, come put me to the test--
    Lovely old book in hideous error drest--
    Believe me, I can quote the Koran too,
    The unbeliever knows his Koran best.

    And do you think that unto such as you,
    A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew,
    God gave the Secret, and denied it to me?--
    Well, well, what matters it! believe that too.

    If I were God, and this poor world were mine,
    O thou shouldst see on what a fair design
    I would rebuild it like a dream for thee,
    Nor shouldst thou ever blush to call it thine.

    If I were God, the very stars and flowers
    Should be more fair, and all the sterns and sours
    Change to a music sweet as rivers flowing--
    If I were God, and this poor world were ours.

    If I were God, I would not wait the years
    To solve the mystery of human tears;
    And, unambiguous, I would speak my will,
    Nor hint it darkly to the dreaming seers.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #7 - April 18, 2009, 08:57 PM

    I will quote Omar Khayyam here for you:

    You want to know the Secret--so did I,
    Low in the dust I sought it, and on high
    Sought it in awful flight from star to star,
    The Sultan's watchman of the starry sky.

    Up, up, where Parwin's hoofs stamp heaven's floor,
    My soul went knocking at each starry door,
    Till on the stilly top of heaven's stair,
    Clear-eyed I looked--and laughed--and climbed no more.

    Of all my seeking this is all my gain:
    No agony of any mortal brain
    Shall wrest the secret of the life of man;
    The Search has taught me that the Search is vain.

    Look not above, there is no answer there;
    Pray not, for no one listens to your prayer;
    Near is as near to God as any Far,
    And Here is just the same deceit as There.

    But here are wine and beautiful young girls,
    Be wise and hide your Sorrows in their curls,
    Dive as you will in life's mysterious sea,
    You shall not bring us any better pearls.

    Allah, perchance, the secret word might spell;
    If Allah be, He keeps His secret well;
    What He hath hidden, who shall hope to find?
    Shall God His secret to a maggot tell?

    So since with all my passion and my skill,
    The world's mysterious meaning mocks me still,
    Shall I not piously believe that I
    Am kept in darkness by the heavenly will?

    The Koran! well, come put me to the test--
    Lovely old book in hideous error drest--
    Believe me, I can quote the Koran too,
    The unbeliever knows his Koran best.

    And do you think that unto such as you,
    A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew,
    God gave the Secret, and denied it to me?--
    Well, well, what matters it! believe that too.

    If I were God, and this poor world were mine,
    O thou shouldst see on what a fair design
    I would rebuild it like a dream for thee,
    Nor shouldst thou ever blush to call it thine.

    If I were God, the very stars and flowers
    Should be more fair, and all the sterns and sours
    Change to a music sweet as rivers flowing--
    If I were God, and this poor world were ours.

    If I were God, I would not wait the years
    To solve the mystery of human tears;
    And, unambiguous, I would speak my will,
    Nor hint it darkly to the dreaming seers.


    Awesome, Allat  Afro
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #8 - April 18, 2009, 08:58 PM

    Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions

    Many Muslims (not all ) believe only muslims go to paradise, which makes God unjust

    Christians believe God became man and died for sin and eat/ shit as a man, which makes God irrational

    Jews believe they are chosen by God, which makes God a bigot

    Hindus believe God can became a man, cow, snake, monkey, elephant and eat/shit as a man

    The reason for people to reject God because all believers in God attribute irrationality to God.



    I am starting to get the feeling that you are an idiot. The Qur'an CLEARLY says that whoever rejects Islam or desires a religion that is not Islam, it will never be accepted of them and they will be the losers (non muslims). All non muslims who have heard of Islam and do not believe in it, regardless of how good or bad they are in morality, they will stay in hell forever. The reason why many do not believe in god is because there is very little evidence for it, and frankly, all religions are bullshit.

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #9 - April 18, 2009, 09:00 PM


    no it is not fault of god nor human, you see after god sent message, human misinterprete his book after hundreads of years


    is god too busy with something else? can't he take some time to clear up the misunderstandings and set us straight again?

    and if he is really perfect, wouldn't he have the ability to send down a perfect message that is clear enough that humans won't misinterpret? or is our power to mess things up GREATER than the power of god to be clear?


    @allat
    the poem is very beautiful, thanks for posting.  Smiley

    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #10 - April 18, 2009, 09:02 PM

    I am starting to get the feeling that you are a real fucking idiot.


    That was uncalled for CC.
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #11 - April 18, 2009, 09:09 PM

    I am starting to get the feeling that you are a real fucking idiot.


    That was uncalled for CC.


    Agreed.  Attack the post, not the poster. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #12 - April 18, 2009, 09:42 PM

    Thanks. I love Omar Khayyam's beautiful words. Here's some more since they seem to be a hit. Smiley

    Quote
    Life is too short, dear brother, to be sad;
    If you must needs be anything--be glad;
    Leave bitter books, and read the Book of Joy--
    I know that some declare the book is bad.

    Eternal torment some sour wits foretell
    For those who follow wine and love too well,--
    Fear not, for God were left alone in Heaven
    If all the lovely lovers burnt in hell.

    He who believes in hell and knows Thy grace
    Shall surely find in hell his resting-place,
    Keep for the mosque these fables of Thy wrath-
    No man believes them who hath seen Thy face.

    To all of us the thought of heaven is dear--
    Why not be sure of it and make it here?
    No doubt there is a heaven yonder too,
    But 'tis so far away--and you are near.

    Men talk of heaven,--there is no heaven but here;
    Men talk of hell,--there is no hell but here;
    Men of hereafters talk, and future lives,--
    O love, there is no other life--but here.

    Passionate particles of dust and sun,
    Run your brief race, nor ask why it is run--
    We are but shadow-pictures, voices, dreams;
    Perchance they make and break us--just for fun.

    O Love, I come to worship in your shrine,
    There is no part of you is not divine,
    There is no part of you not human too,
    There is no part of you that is not mine;

    'Tis a great fuss, all this of Thee and Me,
    Important folk are we--to Thee and Me;
    Yet what if we mean nothing after all,
    And what if Heaven cares nought--for Thee and Me?

    All those who in their graves unheeded lie
    Were just as pompous once as You and I,
    Complacent spake their little arrogant names,
    And wagged their heads, and never thought to die.

    Would you seek beauty, seek it underground;
    Would you find strength--the strong are underground;
    And would you next year seek my love and me,
    Who knows but you must seek us--underground?

    O heart, my heart, the world is weary-wise,
    My only resting-place is your deep eyes,
    O wrap me warm in their illusive love,--
    For well I know that they are also lies.

    Sometimes as, cup in hand among the flowers,
    I think on all my witty wasted hours,
    I see that wine has been a fable too,
    Yes! even wine--so false a world is ours.

    Yet were it vain some other way to try,
    Of all our lying wine is least a lie,
    All earthly roads wind nowhere in the end,---
    What matters then the road we travel by?


    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #13 - April 18, 2009, 09:46 PM

    I love Omar Khayyam's beautiful words.


    Me too - even as a Muslim I loved his irreligious skepticism.
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #14 - April 18, 2009, 10:54 PM

    I am starting to get the feeling that you are a real fucking idiot.


    That was uncalled for CC.


    I agree, my apologies to Kope, I was just a little heated up.

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #15 - April 18, 2009, 11:01 PM

    I see you can easily find funny facts about other gods, but how do you feel about the following verses?

    Quote from: Yusuf Ali
    67:16: Do ye feel secure that He Who is in heaven will not cause you to be swallowed up by the earth when it shakes (as in an earthquake)?
    67:17: Or do ye feel secure that He Who is in Heaven will not send against you a violent tornado (with showers of stones), so that ye shall know how (terrible) was My warning?
    22:47: Yet they ask thee to hasten on the Punishment! But Allah will not fail in His Promise. Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.
    70:4: The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years:


    Does Allah live in the sky, kope?



    i real dont know what is god so i cant tell you

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #16 - April 18, 2009, 11:02 PM

    human misinterprete his book after hundreads of years


    Then clearly he's not omnipotent.

    why

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #17 - April 18, 2009, 11:04 PM

    kope, you are not the first and you won't be the last to have your doubts

    i will be the last person to believe in creator

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #18 - April 18, 2009, 11:05 PM

    Then clearly he's not omnipotent.

    why

    because

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #19 - April 18, 2009, 11:06 PM

    Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions

    Many Muslims (not all ) believe only muslims go to paradise, which makes God unjust

    Christians believe God became man and died for sin and eat/ shit as a man, which makes God irrational

    Jews believe they are chosen by God, which makes God a bigot

    Hindus believe God can became a man, cow, snake, monkey, elephant and eat/shit as a man

    The reason for people to reject God because all believers in God attribute irrationality to God.



    I am starting to get the feeling that you are an idiot. The Qur'an CLEARLY says that whoever rejects Islam or desires a religion that is not Islam, it will never be accepted of them and they will be the losers (non muslims). All non muslims who have heard of Islam and do not believe in it, regardless of how good or bad they are in morality, they will stay in hell forever. The reason why many do not believe in god is because there is very little evidence for it, and frankly, all religions are bullshit.



    you must be an ex mullah dance

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #20 - April 18, 2009, 11:11 PM

    no it is not fault of god nor human, you see after god sent message, human misinterprete his book after hundreads of years

    is god too busy with something else? can't he take some time to clear up the misunderstandings and set us straight again?

    god dont need to do that


    Quote
    and if he is really perfect, wouldn't he have the ability to send down a perfect message that is clear enough that humans won't misinterpret? or is our power to mess things up GREATER than the power of god to be clear?

    if god sent thousand of books human still be confuss

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #21 - April 18, 2009, 11:12 PM

    I am starting to get the feeling that you are a real fucking idiot.


    That was uncalled for CC.


    I agree, my apologies to Kope, I was just a little heated up.



    no problem

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #22 - April 18, 2009, 11:13 PM



    because what?

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #23 - April 19, 2009, 11:25 AM

    Thread locked.

    Kope, I am getting sick of having to fix your messed-up quote tags.
    You constantly submit posts that attribute your words to other people and vice versa.

    There is a Preview button next to the Post button. Use it.
    Make sure your posts are formatted properly before submitting them.

    I will re-open the thread when I have finished tidying up the mess.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #24 - April 19, 2009, 11:30 AM

    Right. Carry on. Preview_button.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #25 - April 19, 2009, 11:53 AM

    I see you can easily find funny facts about other gods, but how do you feel about the following verses?

    Quote from: Yusuf Ali
    67:16: Do ye feel secure that He Who is in heaven will not cause you to be swallowed up by the earth when it shakes (as in an earthquake)?
    67:17: Or do ye feel secure that He Who is in Heaven will not send against you a violent tornado (with showers of stones), so that ye shall know how (terrible) was My warning?
    22:47: Yet they ask thee to hasten on the Punishment! But Allah will not fail in His Promise. Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.
    70:4: The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years:


    Does Allah live in the sky, kope?

    i real dont know what is god so i cant tell you


    You're boring, kope. I quoted some interesting verses and you don't even give your opinion about them.

    German ex-Muslim forumMy YouTubeList of Ex-Muslims
    Wikis: en de fr ar tr
    CEMB-Chat
    I'm on an indefinite break...
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #26 - April 19, 2009, 09:06 PM



    Because if he was Omnipotent, then his book wouldn't need any form of interpretation since he'd write it absolutely clearly, and it would be applicable and easy to understand for all generations  Afro

    The claim that you can even "misinterpret" god's eternal word simply shows the flaws in his supposed "omnipotence"

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #27 - April 19, 2009, 09:53 PM

    Wazzup Kope, all the other posts aside, let me just ask you one question.


                 
    Why do you believe in the existence God?
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #28 - April 19, 2009, 10:04 PM

    Wazzup Kope, all the other posts aside, let me just ask you one question.


                 
    Why do you believe in the existence God?




    well, to me the wisdom in the quran came from out of this world

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Description of God is corrupted by followers of all religions
     Reply #29 - April 19, 2009, 10:10 PM

    Quote from: kope"
    well, to me the wisdom in the quran came from out of this world

    You mean like aliens?

     spacecraft

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • 12 Next page « Previous thread | Next thread »