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  • Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     OP - April 21, 2009, 07:26 PM
    Former U.S. Astronaut Edgar Mitchell and many others are asking for President Obama to open the notorious UFO Files of the United States. Mitchell claims that he, personally, knows of UFOs, and wants the matter finally day-lighted.
    These, although not Project Blue Book, (since I believe those may have already been declassified to some extent), apparently, according to Mitchell and others, contain information that confirms that there are aliens.  spacecraft

    Just supposing this was true, and a U.S. Astronaut did know, for a fact, that these *beings* exist, what, if anything, does this mean to theists adhering to particular literalist faiths and their belief systems, and to non-theists and their position of non-belief?

    What could or would change if there is finally proof of other-worldly life?

    How would theists react? What and how would theists explain such an existence, if it was shown to exist?


    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #1 - April 21, 2009, 07:36 PM
    "God/Allah/Zeus knows best"
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #2 - April 21, 2009, 07:47 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on April 21, 2009, 07:36 PM
    "God/Allah/Zeus knows best"


    God kept another Adam & Eve on another planet with an apple tree, that Eve too ate those apples, God threw them out of that Paradise too, & sent His Son to die there too to atone for those ETs' sins?  grin12

    How many planets did God keep intelligent life in, how many times did He get Himself killed in all those planets to atone for humans\human equivalents' sins? bunny

    Maybe thats' what God does for entertainment, gets Himself killed in all planets for fun, once in a while when He's bored... dance



    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #3 - April 21, 2009, 09:32 PM
    That belief system already exists Rashna. It's called "Mormonism" Cheesy
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #4 - April 21, 2009, 10:50 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on April 21, 2009, 07:26 PM
    Former U.S. Astronaut Edgar Mitchell and many others are asking for President Obama to open the notorious UFO Files of the United States. Mitchell claims that he, personally, knows of UFOs, and wants the matter finally day-lighted.
    These, although not Project Blue Book, (since I believe those may have already been declassified to some extent), apparently, according to Mitchell and others, contain information that confirms that there are aliens.  spacecraft

    Just supposing this was true, and a U.S. Astronaut did know, for a fact, that these *beings* exist, what, if anything, does this mean to theists adhering to particular literalist faiths and their belief systems, and to non-theists and their position of non-belief?

    What could or would change if there is finally proof of other-worldly life?

    How would theists react? What and how would theists explain such an existence, if it was shown to exist?



    Depends on the theists.  Let's say extraterrestrials decided to pay us a visit.  First of all, they would somehow have to land without getting shot down by (insert usual suspects here).  Then, assuming their safe landing, it is probably pretty safe to assume that they don't look like us at all.  That would be enough for some people.

    The predictable jeezoid christian explanation would be "demons!", "end of the world!", and all that apocalyptic crap.  I think the muslims would also lose it as well (and blame it all on the kaffir - "if those stinking Americans hadn't gone to the moon and Mars, this wouldn't have happened, blah, blah").

    As far as shattering faith, I somehow think that would be a function of each individual's relationship to his or her religion.  Things like native intelligence, level of devotion, knowledge of scriptures, etc would all be involved.

    It is entirely possible that some would worship these aliens as gods in their own right.

    But I think we'd still start a war with them.

    For myself, since I already believe that the Universe harbours life on other planets, (and that the odds favour it) it would be just confirmation of personal belief.

    You might also want to look at this.

    That's my take.



  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #5 - April 22, 2009, 03:48 AM
    Quote from: awais on April 21, 2009, 09:32 PM
    That belief system already exists Rashna. It's called "Mormonism" Cheesy


     Cheesy Then  Mormonism will become hugely more popular once we come in contact with aliens, they'll be the "most scientific faith!"  Wink

    Quote from: SmartAssmodeus on April 21, 2009, 10:50 PM
    For myself, since I already believe that the Universe harbours life on other planets, (and that the odds favour it) it would be just confirmation of personal belief.

    You might also want to look at this.


     thnkyu for those SmartAssmodeus! They had some great information!
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #6 - April 22, 2009, 05:40 AM
    Quote from: SmartAssmodeus on April 21, 2009, 10:50 PM
    Depends on the theists.  Let's say extraterrestrials decided to pay us a visit.  First of all, they would somehow have to land without getting shot down by (insert usual suspects here).  Then, assuming their safe landing, it is probably pretty safe to assume that they don't look like us at all.  That would be enough for some people.

    Hey, all aliens are basically humanoid. I know because I've seen Star Trek movies.


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    The predictable jeezoid christian explanation would be "demons!", "end of the world!", and all that apocalyptic crap.  I think the muslims would also lose it as well (and blame it all on the kaffir - "if those stinking Americans hadn't gone to the moon and Mars, this wouldn't have happened, blah, blah").

    As far as shattering faith, I somehow think that would be a function of each individual's relationship to his or her religion.  Things like native intelligence, level of devotion, knowledge of scriptures, etc would all be involved.

    I actually asked a YEC about this once. His take on it was that since the Bible only related to humans and made no claims about alien life forms he personally didn't have a problem with the idea of them existing, nor did he have a problem with the possibility that God may have sent prophets or whatever to them as well (which would presumably include an alien incarnation of JC or something like that). This was pretty open-minded for a YEC as they are not known for breathtaking clarity of thought on the whole.


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    It is entirely possible that some would worship these aliens as gods in their own right.

    They've done it to humans. I see no reason why they wouldn't try it with aliens.


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    But I think we'd still start a war with them.

    Some people might try to marry them.  Cheesy


    Quote
    For myself, since I already believe that the Universe harbours life on other planets, (and that the odds favour it) it would be just confirmation of personal belief.

    You might also want to look at this.

    That's my take.

    The Drake equation contains so many unproven assumptions that it's virtually impossible to draw any conclusions from it.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #7 - April 22, 2009, 10:19 AM
    Quote from: Rashna on April 21, 2009, 07:47 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on April 21, 2009, 07:36 PM
    "God/Allah/Zeus knows best"


    God kept another Adam & Eve on another planet with an apple tree, that Eve too ate those apples, God threw them out of that Paradise too, & sent His Son to die there too to atone for those ETs' sins?  grin12

    How many planets did God keep intelligent life in, how many times did He get Himself killed in all those planets to atone for humans\human equivalents' sins? bunny

    Maybe thats' what God does for entertainment, gets Himself killed in all planets for fun, once in a while when He's bored... dance

    As far as I remember from high school, that's more or less what got Giordano Bruno killed by the Catholic Church.
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #8 - April 22, 2009, 01:22 PM
    UFOS? Islam?

    if islam (Christianity) is true and its a universal faith-why are there no UFOs parked in Mecca? Or Jerusalem?

    this is the effect of UFOs hypothetical existence on the devout-debunking those faiths!
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #9 - April 22, 2009, 02:10 PM
    You haven't heard of the NOI's Mother Ship? Designed in Mecca, built in Japan. Current passengers: Master Farrad, and Elijah Muhammad. Cheesy
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #10 - April 22, 2009, 02:16 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on April 22, 2009, 10:19 AM
    As far as I remember from high school, that's more or less what got Giordano Bruno killed by the Catholic Church.


     jawdrop Bruno thought of ET's? And an ET Jesus?  Huh?
    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #11 - April 22, 2009, 02:36 PM
    I think there would be a religious revival of sorts. People would be confused and fearful, so they would jump to the arms of alien-worshipping religious cults. Abrahamic religions wouldn't necessarily garner any more popularity, though.

    I think any alien civilisation coming to Earth would be much more technologically advanced than us, so they could wipe off humanity in seconds if they wanted to.
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #12 - April 26, 2009, 05:37 AM

    "It is entirely possible that some would worship these aliens as gods in their own right."



     worship Greetings




    I actually would not be surprised if this already happened...........and is still happening..... we just call them YawehAllahVishnu
    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #13 - April 26, 2009, 10:43 PM
    Religious people would just have a whole new group of beings to preach to and try to convert.

    "Think young alien! You travelled ALL the way to our galaxy. That is simply amazing. This MUST mean that God guided your ship. Accept him, before it is too late and he burns you in alien hell!"
    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #14 - April 26, 2009, 10:44 PM
    Quote from: Zaephon on April 22, 2009, 02:36 PM

    I think any alien civilisation coming to Earth would be much more technologically advanced than us, so they could wipe off humanity in seconds if they wanted to.


    They might want to after all the preaching and hell threats  Tongue
    "when you've got thousands of hadith/sunnah and a book like the Qur'an where abrogation is propagated by some; anyone with a grudge and some time on their hands can find something to confirm what ever they wish"- Kaiwai
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #15 - April 27, 2009, 03:24 AM
    you'll get a fun kick out of this....from the history channel

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUgskmVzLmQ

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #16 - April 29, 2009, 10:28 AM
    I hope alien women are fit!

    On a serious note, I do think life exists outside some place in the universe but it would be like dropping a pin in the sea and dropping another pin at the other end of the sea and hoping they come into contact.

    See this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FwCMnyWZDg
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  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #17 - April 29, 2009, 10:35 AM
    Yeah, especially since pins don't float.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #18 - April 29, 2009, 10:51 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 29, 2009, 10:35 AM
    Yeah, especially since pins don't float.


    plastic top pins do float on water actually, and moreover even paper clips can float on water... Even a metal needle can float on water.
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  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #19 - April 29, 2009, 10:55 AM
    Not in the ocean they don't.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #20 - April 29, 2009, 03:01 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 29, 2009, 10:55 AM
    Not in the ocean they don't.


    ping pong ball them, something small that floats.
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  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #21 - April 29, 2009, 03:06 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on April 21, 2009, 07:26 PM
    Former U.S. Astronaut Edgar Mitchell and many others are asking for President Obama to open the notorious UFO Files of the United States. Mitchell claims that he, personally, knows of UFOs, and wants the matter finally day-lighted.
    These, although not Project Blue Book, (since I believe those may have already been declassified to some extent), apparently, according to Mitchell and others, contain information that confirms that there are aliens.  spacecraft

    Just supposing this was true, and a U.S. Astronaut did know, for a fact, that these *beings* exist, what, if anything, does this mean to theists adhering to particular literalist faiths and their belief systems, and to non-theists and their position of non-belief?

    What could or would change if there is finally proof of other-worldly life?

    How would theists react? What and how would theists explain such an existence, if it was shown to exist?





    Simple. They are Nephilim or demons. It happens.  yes
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #22 - April 29, 2009, 07:52 PM
     Roll Eyes Yeah Shan. Sure. Just like people who have black skin are demons too.  Tongue
    Hey you don't have to take my word for it. Just ask the Mormons (before they changed their minds recently).

    Seriously, given the size of the universe it is quite likely that there are other intelligent critters out there somewhere. In other words, other people. People who aren't human. Why should they automatically be classified as demons?
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #23 - April 29, 2009, 09:19 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 29, 2009, 07:52 PM
    Roll Eyes Yeah Shan. Sure. Just like people who have black skin are demons too.  Tongue
    Hey you don't have to take my word for it. Just ask the Mormons (before they changed their minds recently).

    Seriously, given the size of the universe it is quite likely that there are other intelligent critters out there somewhere. In other words, other people. People who aren't human. Why should they automatically be classified as demons?


    lol
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  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #24 - April 29, 2009, 09:58 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 29, 2009, 07:52 PM
    Roll Eyes Yeah Shan. Sure. Just like people who have black skin are demons too.  Tongue
    Hey you don't have to take my word for it. Just ask the Mormons (before they changed their minds recently).

    Seriously, given the size of the universe it is quite likely that there are other intelligent critters out there somewhere. In other words, other people. People who aren't human. Why should they automatically be classified as demons?


    ....but, I'm not a Mormon.
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #25 - April 29, 2009, 10:01 PM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on April 29, 2009, 09:58 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 29, 2009, 07:52 PM
    Roll Eyes Yeah Shan. Sure. Just like people who have black skin are demons too.  Tongue
    Hey you don't have to take my word for it. Just ask the Mormons (before they changed their minds recently).

    Seriously, given the size of the universe it is quite likely that there are other intelligent critters out there somewhere. In other words, other people. People who aren't human. Why should they automatically be classified as demons?


    ....but, I'm not a Mormon.

     whistling2 Umm, Shan: try reading it again.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #26 - April 29, 2009, 10:01 PM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on April 29, 2009, 09:58 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 29, 2009, 07:52 PM
    Roll Eyes Yeah Shan. Sure. Just like people who have black skin are demons too.  Tongue
    Hey you don't have to take my word for it. Just ask the Mormons (before they changed their minds recently).

    Seriously, given the size of the universe it is quite likely that there are other intelligent critters out there somewhere. In other words, other people. People who aren't human. Why should they automatically be classified as demons?


    ....but, I'm not a Mormon.


    His not saying that, never mind... Just forget it.
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  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #27 - April 29, 2009, 10:10 PM
    Sorry guys, I'm a little sleep deprived. Let me come back when I've either had more sleep...or more coffee.  parrot
  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #28 - April 29, 2009, 10:56 PM
    Quote from: Shaneequa on April 29, 2009, 10:10 PM
    Sorry guys, I'm a little sleep deprived. Let me come back when I've either had more sleep...or more coffee.  parrot


    You'll can get me some tea too please.
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  • Re: Effect of U.F.O's Hypothetical Existence on the Devout
     Reply #29 - May 01, 2009, 09:08 AM
    Quote from: King Tut on April 29, 2009, 10:28 AM
    I hope alien women are fit!

    On a serious note, I do think life exists outside some place in the universe but it would be like dropping a pin in the sea and dropping another pin at the other end of the sea and hoping they come into contact.

    See this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FwCMnyWZDg


    they say they're tall

    but life - rare shit
    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
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