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  • Who speaks arabic?
     OP - April 22, 2009, 12:16 AM
    Just wondering how many people on this forum speak arabic (the only person I'm sure of is Hassan of course).

    If you do then did you learn the language, or is it your mother tongue?

    I was typically brought up to just read the Quran in arabic without understanding what I'm actually reading.  My pronounciation is very good and I wish I understood what I was saying!

    I'm very slowly learning the gist of the language though.  I notice the resemblance between a lot of arabic and urdu words.
    .
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #1 - April 22, 2009, 01:09 AM
    Arabic, mothertongue
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #2 - April 22, 2009, 01:14 AM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on April 22, 2009, 12:16 AM
    I was typically brought up to just read the Quran in arabic without understanding what I'm actually reading.  My pronounciation is very good and I wish I understood what I was saying!

    Same here. I feel that I should learn it because it would be a waste of pronunciation skills if I don't. Ha.



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  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #3 - April 22, 2009, 04:06 AM
    I don't speak it myself, I only understand written Arabic.
    "It may happen that the enemies of Islam may consider it expedient not to take any action against Islam, if Islam leaves them alone in their geographical boundaries... But Islam cannot agree to this unless they submit to its authority by paying Jizyah"

    -Sayyid Qutb, Milestones
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #4 - April 22, 2009, 08:49 AM
    I can understand a little bit of written, but I can't speak. Need to study more.
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #5 - April 22, 2009, 05:07 PM
    Quote from: Iggy on April 22, 2009, 01:14 AM
    I feel that I should learn it because it would be a waste of pronunciation skills if I don't. Ha.

    That's exactly how I feel.

    I have a head start so I may as well immerse myself and learn it.  Being multi-lingual rocks.  Wink
    .
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #6 - April 22, 2009, 05:15 PM
    Yes I speak, read and write Arabic, though it was not my mother tongue. My dad tried to teach us when we were young. But it was only when I went to university and went to Egypt that I learnt it well.

    Smiley
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #7 - April 22, 2009, 05:27 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 22, 2009, 05:15 PM
    Yes I speak, read and write Arabic, though it was not my mother tongue. My dad tried to teach us when we were young. But it was only when I went to university and went to Egypt that I learnt it well.

    Huh?  I always thought arabic was your mother tongue.  What is your mother tongue then?

    And it's great to know that you can still master the language when you're slightly older, like you did. cool2
    .
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #8 - April 22, 2009, 06:45 PM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on April 22, 2009, 05:27 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 22, 2009, 05:15 PM
    Yes I speak, read and write Arabic, though it was not my mother tongue. My dad tried to teach us when we were young. But it was only when I went to university and went to Egypt that I learnt it well.

    Huh?  I always thought arabic was your mother tongue.  What is your mother tongue then?

    And it's great to know that you can still master the language when you're slightly older, like you did. cool2


    I was was born and brought up in the UK and we spoke English at home (my mother is English) and although my dad (who is Egyptian) tried to teach us Arabic we really weren't interested.

    It was when I became a practising Muslim at the age of 20 that I took interest in learning Arabic. I went to SOAS and learned Classical Arabic and studied tafseer etc... I also visited Egypt every year so learned colloquial Egyptian too (I also know colloquial Moroccan quite well too).

    I would say that one who has studied classical Arabic probably understands the Qur'an better than most people for whom Arabic is their mother tongue because colloquial Arabic is not the same as Classical Arabic and being able to speak colloquial is not the same as being literate or proficient in Classical Arabic. It actually surprised me how ignorant many Arabs are of the language of the Qur'an.
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #9 - April 22, 2009, 06:49 PM
    As a rough analogy is the difference between modern, colloquial Arabic and classical Arabic much the same as the difference between medieval English and modern English? I'm thinking of something like Chaucer's 'Canterbury Tales' here. It can still be read by modern English speakers but it isn't always easy and there are a lot of differences, including some words and expressions that are just not used these days.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #10 - April 22, 2009, 06:56 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 22, 2009, 06:49 PM
    As a rough analogy is the difference between modern, colloquial Arabic and classical Arabic much the same as the difference between medieval English and modern English? I'm thinking of something like Chaucer's 'Canterbury Tales' here. It can still be read by modern English speakers but it isn't always easy and there are a lot of differences, including some words and expressions that are just not used these days.


    Yes, and a great many Arabs really don't understand the Qur'anic Arabic.

    Unless one has studied it and studied the Classical Language and literature, such as pre-Islamic poetry etc... then one cannot completely understand the language of the Qur'an.

    In fact one of the reasons I studied pre-Islamic poetry is because it was considered essential to understanding the language of the Qur'an.
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #11 - April 22, 2009, 07:04 PM
    Cool, so next time someone claims that we can't discuss the Quran unless we speak Arabic we should ask them if they have studied pre-Islamic poetry and dismiss them if they haven't. Grin

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #12 - April 22, 2009, 07:28 PM
    Though I hasten to add that no-one can hide behind the claim that one cannot understand the message of the Qur'an without understanding Arabic.

    One doesn't need to understand Arabic to understand that the concept of Hell as depicted in the Qur'an is abhorrent - or that or hitting one's wife or lashing fornicators, chopping hands of thieves... etc...
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #13 - April 22, 2009, 07:37 PM
    The "you don't know arabic" line is typically used by Muslim apologists, even when they don't know arabic themselves!

    We don't have to know arabic to understand the Quran.

    All we have to do is refer to the translations which were written by individuals who do know arabic.
    .
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #14 - April 22, 2009, 07:40 PM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on April 22, 2009, 07:37 PM
    The "you don't know arabic" line is typically used by Muslim apologists, even when they don't know arabic themselves!

    We don't have to know arabic to understand the Quran.

    All we have to do is refer to the translations which were written by individuals who do know arabic.


    It's funny how if one accepts Islam it doesn't matter if one knows Arabic.

    But if one rejects Islam, then it's because one doesn't understand Arabic.
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #15 - April 22, 2009, 07:46 PM
    If you have to know arabic to understand the Quran, then this means that the Quran is obsolete to over 90% of the worlds population.
    .
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #16 - April 22, 2009, 07:49 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 22, 2009, 07:40 PM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on April 22, 2009, 07:37 PM
    The "you don't know arabic" line is typically used by Muslim apologists, even when they don't know arabic themselves!

    We don't have to know arabic to understand the Quran.

    All we have to do is refer to the translations which were written by individuals who do know arabic.


    It's funny how if one accepts Islam it doesn't matter if one knows Arabic.

    But if one rejects Islam, then it's because one doesn't understand Arabic.

    Yes, it is amusing. The "you don't know Arabic" line is an obvious cop out and should be called as such whenever someone attempts to use it.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #17 - April 22, 2009, 10:24 PM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on April 22, 2009, 12:16 AM
    I was typically brought up to just read the Quran in arabic without understanding what I'm actually reading.  My pronounciation is very good and I wish I understood what I was saying!

    I'm very slowly learning the gist of the language though.  I notice the resemblance between a lot of arabic and urdu words.

    This describes my experience as well, though I notice a lot of Persian words in Urdu too.

    I do have a dictionary of Qur'anic Arabic (it gives roots, variations, meanings, and instances of occurrences in the Qur'an) which gives some interesting insights.
    "At 8:47 I do a grenade jump off a ladder."
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #18 - April 22, 2009, 10:48 PM
    Quote from: Pazuzu on April 22, 2009, 10:24 PM
    I do have a dictionary of Qur'anic Arabic (it gives roots, variations, meanings, and instances of occurrences in the Qur'an) which gives some interesting insights.

    You have the ISBN number of this dictionary?  Or the title would do.  grin12
    .
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #19 - April 22, 2009, 11:38 PM
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dictionary-Holy-Quran-English-Meanings/dp/0963206788
    "At 8:47 I do a grenade jump off a ladder."
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #20 - April 23, 2009, 02:05 AM
    I've been looking for an Arabic concordance of the Qur'an, but haven't been able to find one (something analogous to the Bible's "Strong's").

    This is a great book, "Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran:With Copious Grammatical References And Explanations Of The Text (1873)"  by John Penrice.

    And this is a cool site, openquran.org, as far as roots go; but it's mostly in Arabic.
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #21 - April 23, 2009, 01:42 PM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on April 22, 2009, 07:46 PM
    If you have to know arabic to understand the Quran, then this means that the Quran is obsolete to over 90% of the worlds population.

    99.9% actually. I find that most non-gulf arabs can not explain individual verses.
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #22 - April 23, 2009, 03:16 PM
    Quote from: Baal on April 23, 2009, 01:42 PM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on April 22, 2009, 07:46 PM
    If you have to know arabic to understand the Quran, then this means that the Quran is obsolete to over 90% of the worlds population.

    99.9% actually. I find that most non-gulf arabs can not explain individual verses.


    Yes, the average Arab on the street does not understand the Qur'an well. I was surprised when I first discovered this in Egypt and Egypt is one of the better educated countries! The average Arab from countries like Morocco, Algeria, Libya and Tunisia are even worse. I remember explaining the meaning of the Qur'an to my Moroccan friend when he first started to be religious - he couldn't even read it properly!
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #23 - April 23, 2009, 06:24 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 23, 2009, 03:16 PM
    Quote from: Baal on April 23, 2009, 01:42 PM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on April 22, 2009, 07:46 PM
    If you have to know arabic to understand the Quran, then this means that the Quran is obsolete to over 90% of the worlds population.

    99.9% actually. I find that most non-gulf arabs can not explain individual verses.

    Yes, the average Arab on the street does not understand the Qur'an well.

    Hmmmm. So what do you think might happen if they did come to understand it well?
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #24 - April 23, 2009, 07:01 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 23, 2009, 06:24 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 23, 2009, 03:16 PM
    Quote from: Baal on April 23, 2009, 01:42 PM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on April 22, 2009, 07:46 PM
    If you have to know arabic to understand the Quran, then this means that the Quran is obsolete to over 90% of the worlds population.

    99.9% actually. I find that most non-gulf arabs can not explain individual verses.

    Yes, the average Arab on the street does not understand the Qur'an well.

    Hmmmm. So what do you think might happen if they did come to understand it well?


    Most Muslims - Arab or otherwise - have a nice flowery image of Islam that has been handed down to them and fed to them since birth. They are mostly unaware of the harsh parts of the Qur'an or are in denial.

    What would happen if they did come to understand it?

    Well just look at how Muslims have been reacting to my videos - some of the comments recently are just classic. But in short some react with deep denial, some react with anger refusing to see what is right infront of them and some just bury their head in the sand.

    Then of course their are those who decide to defend the indefensible and some who become extreme.
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #25 - April 23, 2009, 07:13 PM
    I must admit I haven't been following the comments on your vids. I only watch them here. It's sort of like skipping the cinema and waiting until I can watch it at home on dvd. Cheesy
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #26 - April 23, 2009, 07:19 PM
    For example this is an Algerian who commented on my video about the 4:34 (Hit Them!) Yet he seems to either have never actually read this verse or doesn't understand it or is just in deep denial:

    fugitif213

    HOW CAN U IDIOT TO THIS POINT! UNBELIEVABLE
    how can u make ur opinion from a lier video a hater atheist idiot WOMEN!!!
    go look for the book!! is free! its illegal to sell it!! go mosque N read it! u will not die!!
    his making relationship between religions goes bad!!! BUT WE DONT GIVE A DAMN...
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #27 - April 23, 2009, 07:31 PM
    Say wot? Since when is it illegal to sell a copy of the Quran? Grin
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  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #28 - April 23, 2009, 07:39 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 23, 2009, 07:31 PM
    Say wot? Since when is it illegal to sell a copy of the Quran? Grin


    This guy is clueless (and remember he is an Arab)

    Here are a few more of his comments - amongst the crazy things he says is he blames Asians for starting child marriages and balmes Shi'a for all terrorism (he also thinks Pakistan is majority Shia - it is of course majority Sunni!) ROFL!!!

    n this case!u must know that ther is 2 kind of Muslims
    SHIAA:(paki,iran,iraq)(not all) who don't believe in Mohamed(pBUH) N they allow killing even sunni Muslims like in iraq(bombing++++)
    SUNNI:(Arabs country's) believe in Mohamed as prophet (PBUH) N live in peace!
    u see?

    some of them they DO!!!
    others they says that (jibrael) the bigest angel, did mistake when he bring the holly book from god to earth,he should tell it to ALI(PBUH)
    N this idea came from JEWS in past time, cuz all of 28prophete was jews before! just Mohamed he was young.
    N they say bad words to the family of Mohamed. CONFUSING!


    half half work school go back countys! i was alright there !
    but in religion they mix it with culture(Asian)like(marriage young) N they hate mohamed(PBUH) saying he married 9years old(pedoph.)
    but he didnt have sex with till she got 14years old! (mature). dont forget, it was wars time, they need population in army,(talking 1400years ago)

    this is view of SHIAA who prefers ALI than him(PBUH), u see how they do! N u use wrong information in ignorance! shame! anyway say what u like
    Surah 109. Al-Kafirun (The Disbelievers, Atheists):
    Say : O ye that reject Faith!
    I worship not that which ye worship,
    Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
    And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
    Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
    To you be your Way, and to me mine.
  • Re: Who speaks arabic?
     Reply #29 - April 23, 2009, 07:43 PM
    Quote
    N this idea came from JEWS in past time,


    Of course.   piggy
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