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  • Islamonline Fatwa on Divorce in Islam
     OP - April 22, 2009, 02:10 PM

    I found this Islamonline Fatwa on Divorce in Islam:

       Question and Answer Details   
     
    Name of Questioner   K.   - United States
       Title   Divorce: Islamic Procedure & Rulings
       Question   Please explain what the proper Islamic procedure of divorce is. If a person divorces his wife in anger three times, is it counted one divorce or three divorces? In case he feels sorry about his words and wants to keep the marriage relationship, what is the proper procedure to annul the divorce? A detailed answer will be very much appreciated.
       Date   09/Sep/2003
       Name of Counsellor   Muzammil Siddiqi

       Topic   Marital relationships
       

     

     
    Answer   
     

     

    In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
    All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.
    Dear brother in Islam, we commend your keenness on getting your self well-acquainted with Islam and its teachings, which is the way Allah has chosen for the welfare of His servants.

    We must state clearly that divorce in Islam is the most abhorrent of all permitted things, and, as such, it must be resorted to only in extreme cases of necessity, and that too following certain stringent procedures and conditions. Among such procedures and conditions is: One must resort to divorce only after having exhausted all efforts of proper reconciliation and mediation. If, all efforts fail, while pronouncing divorce, one must be in a sober state of mind, and having clear intention to divorce. Just as marriage in Islam is contracted in a sober state of mind, and with clear intention, divorce must also be made in the same way.

    In his answer to the question in point, Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former President of the Islamic Society of North America, states:

    "Divorce is the most hateful thing to Allah, but it is allowed (halal) only in the case of absolute necessity. If a couple tried their best to reconcile their differences, but they still could not agree and they found impossible to live with each other, then only in that case they should separate in a proper and decent manner. Divorce can be initiated by the husband or by the wife. The husband has the right to pronounce the words of divorce (talaq) to his wife. He can also give her a statement of divorce in writing. The wife can seek divorce from her husband through khul`, but if he refuses to grant her request then she can seek the dissolution of marriage through the court of law. The Shari`ah has not given the right to a woman to divorce her husband, because only the husband has all the financial obligations of the family. After divorce he will be responsible to provide her maintenance during her `iddah and if there are any children in the family then he will be responsible for their expenses. Thus to grant her that right equally with the husband while she has no financial obligation is unfair and unjust. The wife can, however, divorce her husband if her husband gave her that right either at the time of marriage or afterwards.

    A husband who wants to divorce his wife should use the words of divorce with full awareness after much thinking and consideration. Using the words of divorce in haste or anger is not right. The proper procedure is to give divorce when a woman is not pregnant and is not going through her monthly menstrual cycle. Divorce can take place by saying one time "I have divorced you" (talluqtuki) or "You are divorced" (anti taliq). After this the women should spend the time of her `iddah. During the period of `iddah the husband can cancel his divorce and can resume the matrimonial relationship, but if it does not happen then the divorce takes effect and at the end of the `iddah period their marriage ends. There is no need to repeat the words of divorce more than once. Even one divorce is sufficient to terminate the relationship.
     
    The provision of the second and third divorce is given for a husband who divorces his wife one time and then cancels his divorce, but then after sometime changes his mind and divorces her again second time. Then he changes his mind and resumes the relationship and then again after that he divorces her. The Shari`ah says that now this relationship should end. Marriage is a serious matter. One cannot keep divorcing one's wife and returning her back. After the third divorce he cannot take her back. The third divorce is called the "irrevocable divorce" (talaq mughallaz). The wife now becomes forbidden to her husband completely. She cannot go back to this husband who has divorced her three times, unless she marries another person who out of his own free will divorces her and then after the `iddah she and her previous husband want to remarry. This is called halalah in the language of the Shari`ah. This rule is given by the Shari'ah to reduce the occurrence of three divorces and to protect the honor of the woman.

    Some people misuse this procedure out of ignorance or willingly. There are some people who think that the divorce (talaq) would not happen unless one makes the statement three times. There are others who repeat the words of divorce for emphasis and have no idea that this could be very serious. The jurists (fuqaha') have discussed this issue for the last fourteen hundred years. There were some jurists who took the strict position that three divorces whether uttered at once or separately would be considered as three divorces. According to them, whether a person misused this right knowingly or unknowingly the affect would be the same. If some one uttered the words of divorce three times, then this would be talaq mughallaz and his wife would become totally forbidden for him and they could not reconcile without a halalah. There are, however, some other jurists who emphasize the role of will in marriage and divorce. They say that if the husband used three divorces intentionally as three, then they will be counted as three, but if he repeated the words in anger or to emphasize his point then this is one divorce and he will have the right to resume the relationship with his wife. I feel that the second position is closer to the spirit of the Shari`ah. I am pleased to see that there are now some Hanafi jurists also who are inclined to this position. There were fatwas issued to this effect by the `Ulama' of Deoband and Nadwa in India as well the `Ulama in Saudi Arabia.

    The issue of a divorce given in anger is also important. The basic rule is that divorce must be uttered with full consciousness and without any coercion. If a person pronounced the words of divorce to his wife, in a fit of anger, while he lost all control over himself or due to the influence of intoxicants which he sinfully consumed, or he was forced by someone else to do so, then in all these cases his words of divorce are null and void and have no effect. In conclusion, let me say that Muslims must protect their family life and must avoid divorce as much as possible. If it becomes necessary to have divorce then use the Islamic methods and procedures. Obviously we cannot give all the details here. Those who need more information they should consult special books on this subject or speak to those who are knowledgeable."

    Why hasn't the wife been granted the same rights of divorce? The reason that the husband is responsible for the family's maintenance is so lame, so many wives might be richer or the breadwinner eg Muhammad's first wife Khadija, why not give both the same rights & responsibilities?

    Isn't it humiliating to wait during the "iddah" period for the husband to take the wife back?  finmad And for that procedure to be repeated a 2nd time?

    Why can't a husband & wife remarry after three divorces? Anyone should be free to do as they like.  grin12 And as for the requirement that the woman marry another man, who divorces her before she can remarry her previous husband, can't the husband get a friend to marry the woman & divorce her, so that he can remarry her? Tongue








    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Islamonline Fatwa on Divorce in Islam
     Reply #1 - April 22, 2009, 03:03 PM

    Why can't a husband & wife remarry after three divorces? Anyone should be free to do as they like.  grin12 And as for the requirement that the woman marry another man, who divorces her before she can remarry her previous husband, can't the husband get a friend to marry the woman & divorce her, so that he can remarry her? Tongue

    There's a hadith that talks about men who do that, I think either they're not granted access in heaven or it was a major sin, I can't remember.

    It's disgusting that women is not allowed to divorce as easily as the man. The fact that so many people can believe this bullshit is astounding!
  • Re: Islamonline Fatwa on Divorce in Islam
     Reply #2 - April 22, 2009, 03:14 PM

    It's disgusting that women is not allowed to divorce as easily as the man. The fact that so many people can believe this bullshit is astounding!


    Yep!

     Thinking hard Can it have something to do with Muhammad living with the sword of divorce hanging over his head the whole time he was married to rich, old Khadija?  Wink

    P.S. Look at the silly ways the scholars try to justify these double standards, man is responsible for his family etc, etc.  finmad

    And if a woman divorces through khula, doesn't she relinquish her right to mehr? Huh?

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Islamonline Fatwa on Divorce in Islam
     Reply #3 - April 22, 2009, 04:29 PM

    And if a woman divorces through khula, doesn't she relinquish her right to mehr? Huh?


    No, not necessarily.  The husband may request that she waive her right to part or all of it, and the judge may grant that.  The request is weighed against things like the length of time married, how many children they have, if the  marriage was consummated at all and why the khul is being sought.  It could also be included as a clause in their contract, the way some women have a clause included that the marriage is automatically nullified or a khul granted without penalty on the mahr if he takes another wife. 

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  • Re: Islamonline Fatwa on Divorce in Islam
     Reply #4 - April 22, 2009, 04:36 PM

    And if a woman divorces through khula, doesn't she relinquish her right to mehr? Huh?


    No, not necessarily.  The husband may request that she waive her right to part or all of it, and the judge may grant that.  The request is weighed against things like the length of time married, how many children they have, if the  marriage was consummated at all and why the khul is being sought.  It could also be included as a clause in their contract, the way some women have a clause included that the marriage is automatically nullified or a khul granted without penalty on the mahr if he takes another wife. 


     thnkyu fading! Its still more complicated than the husband's right to divorce though.

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: Islamonline Fatwa on Divorce in Islam
     Reply #5 - April 22, 2009, 04:43 PM



    It would be helpful if you could quote, blockquote, or do something else to distinguish things you are posting from other sources from your own stuff -- it's hard to tell where it ends and where your commentary begins.  

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    Why hasn't the wife been granted the same rights of divorce?


    You know you already know the answer to this.

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    The reason that the husband is responsible for the family's maintenance is so lame, so many wives might be richer or the breadwinner eg Muhammad's first wife Khadija, why not give both the same rights & responsibilities?


    I would say that in theory, I can see a reason for it, because the existence of gold diggers throughout time can point to a real possibility that women (and their families, perhaps) would go through serial marriages to men, get the mahr, and then immediately divorce.  It wouldn't be fair to men, in that case.  However, Big Al, in  his infinite wisdom could have revealed more just divorce laws - and less complicated ones - for both men and women, but he didn't.   I wonder why... Thinking hard

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    Isn't it humiliating to wait during the "iddah" period for the husband to take the wife back?  finmad And for that procedure to be repeated a 2nd time?


    It depends. Not every couple is a cardboard cut out.  I know women who sat in their iddah and it was the time they needed to work marital issues out with a counselor or just between themselves and they moved on and are still married today.  I know women who sat in their iddah and didn't go back when he changed his mind and wanted her back, and they're now divorced.  Yeah it might technically be against the Shariah, but there are religious women out there who see the iddah as their way out of a marriage they don't want, and they will refuse to get back together with him during that period, regardless of what the books, scriptures, say.  But yeah I also know women who sat their iddah in humiliation.  I also know couples who didn't tell people they were in iddah until the iddah was finished and they were divorced.  

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    Why can't a husband & wife remarry after three divorces? Anyone should be free to do as they like.  grin12


    What good would religion be if it didn't have arbitrary and illogical rules to follow?  I'm sort of of the opinion that if you can't get your shit together after three divorces and two iddahs, then you probably have no business being married to one another.  But as a person who rejects religion, that doesn't mean I don't think that they shouldn't be free to keep marrying and divorcing.  Just that they probably shouldn't.  Especially if there are children involved.

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    And as for the requirement that the woman marry another man, who divorces her before she can remarry her previous husband, can't the husband get a friend to marry the woman & divorce her, so that he can remarry her? Tongue


    I don't know why Senor Siddiqui didn't mention that she may also be widowed by this second husband.  In other words, it is possible that she goes on to marry again, and has a happy or normal marriage, and then he dies some  years later, and then she can remarry her first husband.  

    That said, this requirement is disgusting.  It's like the vagina of the woman must be renewed for the husband to be able to go near it again.  Having a friend marry her, sex her up, and then divorce her is technically not allowed in Shariah.  

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  • Re: Islamonline Fatwa on Divorce in Islam
     Reply #6 - April 22, 2009, 04:45 PM

    And if a woman divorces through khula, doesn't she relinquish her right to mehr? Huh?


    No, not necessarily.  The husband may request that she waive her right to part or all of it, and the judge may grant that.  The request is weighed against things like the length of time married, how many children they have, if the  marriage was consummated at all and why the khul is being sought.  It could also be included as a clause in their contract, the way some women have a clause included that the marriage is automatically nullified or a khul granted without penalty on the mahr if he takes another wife. 


     thnkyu fading! Its still more complicated than the husband's right to divorce though.


    Of course it is!  Islam specialises in making things (a) complicated and (b) harder on women than men.  Wink 

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  • Re: Islamonline Fatwa on Divorce in Islam
     Reply #7 - April 22, 2009, 10:31 PM

    And if a woman divorces through khula, doesn't she relinquish her right to mehr? Huh?


    No, not necessarily.  The husband may request that she waive her right to part or all of it, and the judge may grant that.  The request is weighed against things like the length of time married, how many children they have, if the  marriage was consummated at all and why the khul is being sought.  It could also be included as a clause in their contract, the way some women have a clause included that the marriage is automatically nullified or a khul granted without penalty on the mahr if he takes another wife. 


     thnkyu fading! Its still more complicated than the husband's right to divorce though.


    What is Khul(a) and mehr?
  • Re: Islamonline Fatwa on Divorce in Islam
     Reply #8 - April 23, 2009, 01:58 AM

    And if a woman divorces through khula, doesn't she relinquish her right to mehr? Huh?


    No, not necessarily.  The husband may request that she waive her right to part or all of it, and the judge may grant that.  The request is weighed against things like the length of time married, how many children they have, if the  marriage was consummated at all and why the khul is being sought.  It could also be included as a clause in their contract, the way some women have a clause included that the marriage is automatically nullified or a khul granted without penalty on the mahr if he takes another wife. 


     thnkyu fading! Its still more complicated than the husband's right to divorce though.


    What is Khul(a) and mehr?


    Khul is release (from marriage), a sort of divorce initiated by women and the mehr (mahr) is the dowry the man pays to the woman upon marriage in exchange for her faraj (va-jay-jay).  (Really that is what the mahr is for).

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  • Re: Islamonline Fatwa on Divorce in Islam
     Reply #9 - April 23, 2009, 04:13 AM

    And if a woman divorces through khula, doesn't she relinquish her right to mehr? Huh?


    No, not necessarily.  The husband may request that she waive her right to part or all of it, and the judge may grant that.  The request is weighed against things like the length of time married, how many children they have, if the  marriage was consummated at all and why the khul is being sought.  It could also be included as a clause in their contract, the way some women have a clause included that the marriage is automatically nullified or a khul granted without penalty on the mahr if he takes another wife. 


     thnkyu fading! Its still more complicated than the husband's right to divorce though.


    What is Khul(a) and mehr?


    Khul is release (from marriage), a sort of divorce initiated by women and the mehr (mahr) is the dowry the man pays to the woman upon marriage in exchange for her faraj (va-jay-jay).  (Really that is what the mahr is for).

    So this means the wife is/as a whore?

  • Re: Islamonline Fatwa on Divorce in Islam
     Reply #10 - April 23, 2009, 06:14 PM

    And if a woman divorces through khula, doesn't she relinquish her right to mehr? Huh?


    No, not necessarily.  The husband may request that she waive her right to part or all of it, and the judge may grant that.  The request is weighed against things like the length of time married, how many children they have, if the  marriage was consummated at all and why the khul is being sought.  It could also be included as a clause in their contract, the way some women have a clause included that the marriage is automatically nullified or a khul granted without penalty on the mahr if he takes another wife. 


     thnkyu fading! Its still more complicated than the husband's right to divorce though.


    Quote
    [2.229] Divorce may be (pronounced) twice, then keep (them) in good fellowship or let (them) go with kindness; and it is not lawful for you to take any part of what you have given them, unless both fear that they cannot keep within the limits of Allah; then if you fear that they cannot keep within the limits of Allah, there is no blame on them for what she gives up to become free thereby. These are the limits of Allah, so do not exceed them and whoever exceeds the limits of Allah these it is that are the unjust.

    the bolded part is quite disturbing in Arabic. It indicates giving up dowry, to regain the status of a free person.

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Islamonline Fatwa on Divorce in Islam
     Reply #11 - April 28, 2009, 08:55 AM

    Khul is release (from marriage), a sort of divorce initiated by women and the mehr (mahr) is the dowry the man pays to the woman upon marriage in exchange for her faraj (va-jay-jay).  (Really that is what the mahr is for).

    I remember reading a hadith that stated this but cant remember where. Does anyone else know it?
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