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 Topic: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam

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  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #90 - November 03, 2010, 12:59 AM


    That said, fanaa does actually involve garments quite intimately and is not a complete discarding of garments/language/perception/world view/cultural perspective -- it is not so much a discarding of them, but rather a discovery that each individual thread is a conduit to God. That is to say, it is a state in which all the signs local to your own particular language/perception/culture suddenly take on a deeper significance, indicating God's Love to you. So fanaa is not a transcendence of language, in my view -- I am at odds with some mystics here.


    This sounds a lot like the theosophy of Ibn Arabi in that every man is a manifestation of a unique name of God. Would you agree with that?



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    The main difference between a good garment and a bad garment is the presence of swastikas, in my view Smiley That is, anything in one's perception of the world that presents itself as something that MUST be worshipped by all (from money, to fame, to fascist politics, to family abuse to many forms of religion itself) -- that's a bad garment because it contains swastikas (what is known as pork or idolatry in the Qur'an).


    How did you come to this view? Was it through scholarship of the Quran or is this your own personal experience of reality that is speaking? If it is, then how do you know it to be the truth? I am not doubting your word, I am just very curious on how you came to the world-view you hold  Smiley

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #91 - November 03, 2010, 01:19 AM

    This will prove relevant to our discussion ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6J_ULPbwLM


    I am slightly surprised by this video. It seems you are rallying against a fascist ideology but your biggest problem with the ideology is that there is no right or wrong within this ideology. This confuses me because I thought a big part of sufism was its transcending of the merely moral. I am sure there are differences between sufis and I am versed enough in any to know the differences but why is it that morality is so important when it is the lack of morality for other mystics that define their being?
    After all, even seen from the alchemical view of a Jungian, the idea of making such journeys to god always transcend the merely good and bad and embrace all of reality as it is, neither good nor bad but rather divine.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #92 - November 03, 2010, 02:10 PM

    lol the only reason I was interested in Islam was because Salafi-Wahhabi Islam appealed to me.
  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #93 - November 07, 2010, 09:39 PM

    I know Whitehead quite well. But I follow poststructuralists like Deleuze and Derrida, precisely because Whitehead's project failed (althougn Deleuze's materialism acknowledges Whitehead in a strange reinterpretation).
    In this understanding: EVERYTHING we do is an attempt at metaphor, that doesn't quite work.


    Why do you think that Whitehead's project failed? Certainly I think his ontological process requires a lot to be digested but his broad principles I think are still quite legitimate.
    Besides, it seems to me that there is less a gap between Whitehead and Deleuze than I thought at first, they both, after all, insist on seeing reality as a creative process forever changing and forever spontaneous.

    In terms of seeing everything as metaphor have you come across the works of Jan Zwicky? She has written a very interesting book called Wisdom and Metaphor and I think it attempts a similar reading of metaphor as yourself by using Wittgenstein as her starting point.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #94 - November 09, 2010, 12:43 PM

    @Z11 I was referring more to Whitehead's mathematical project and how it linked up to his philosophy in the Anglo-American reading ... If you are reading Whitehead as a Deleuzian, then there is no problem. A lot of Sufis that I know (converts with a Western background) are into Whitehead for some reason, taking a similar kind of reading, though Deleuze is not so well known.

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  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #95 - November 09, 2010, 12:44 PM

    This Eid, see what the freaks, heads and scoobers are getting up to every night, in blatant defiance of Tailorite Hyper-Salafi Vanguard law! See the Rainbow Connection at work within the clubs and universities. Join neocon crusader Arthur Celcius and the AntiGnostic league now and save our children from these appalling fanatics!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ft2KDECFI&feature=share

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  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #96 - November 09, 2010, 03:10 PM

    well done - I liked it, but dont really know why  Huh?

    btw it would also be interesting to hear your thoughts on  z10s earlier questions that you may have missed

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  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #97 - November 09, 2010, 03:12 PM

    you will: very shortly Wink

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  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #98 - November 12, 2010, 10:59 AM



    That was awesome.

    Just what I needed on a Friday night, bonging on while the wife's at work and the kids are asleep.

    Bored out of my skull yet again from sheer indolence instead of doing something productive.

    Should know better of course but likely will never cause I'm too goddamn lazy and love it.

    Why do anything when you can just polish off a couple of cones and you know your brain is fried just to that small degree required to stop it from experiencing what would otherwise be mundane?

    The music took my mind. I liked the visuals too. Nice production.


    The language of the mob was only the language of public opinion cleansed of hypocrisy and restraint - Hannah Arendt.
  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #99 - November 12, 2010, 11:23 AM

    Why do anything when you can just polish off a couple of cones and you know your brain is fried just to that small degree required to stop it from experiencing what would otherwise be mundane?


    You sound like you're on the Tailorite sunnah, buddy Afro

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  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #100 - November 12, 2010, 12:38 PM

    Elvis has come to show us the true light?!? Huh?

  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #101 - November 12, 2010, 07:48 PM

    Ah, poopycock, I am but a warner and a barer of good news to those who believe, uh huh huh. (The Recitation, 7:188)

    And my warning is coming to completion ... Everything is coming to completion ...

    Check out the lyrics from the Dependent Product, channeled in from the future (3441AD to be exact): it's more of that brazen SEEN mind control Arthur Celcious was on about earlier, and that you saw in the nightclub clip!

    http://soundcloud.com/fernmind/line-of-flight

    This cult is now out of control, beyond the kids at the clubs and universities, its starting to look decidedly political. I have reason to believe their use of reverse-tantra is facilitating a religious takeover of the Tailorite State. The Dread K herself has been spotted sharing a meal with both General McDowell and Rector Farinelly. The military and education are within her dastardly grasp.

    How can President Ourobus let the Tailorite Cause fall into such a pitiful state?

    This Eid it will become clear.


    The Divisions of Love, second album by my Cabbalacore band, the Friends of Design, out now:

    https://vimeo.com/110528857
  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #102 - November 12, 2010, 07:50 PM

    Are you for real?  Huh? Huh? Huh?

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #103 - November 12, 2010, 07:56 PM

    Oh, I'm for Al Haq, baby. All the way. Check the song, will make things clearer.

    The Divisions of Love, second album by my Cabbalacore band, the Friends of Design, out now:

    https://vimeo.com/110528857
  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #104 - November 12, 2010, 09:17 PM

     Cheesy Gotta love the Tailor

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  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #105 - November 12, 2010, 09:33 PM

    Oh, I'm for Al Haq, baby. All the way. Check the song, will make things clearer.

    Ah, yes the song made everything clear.


    I think you're nuts. "Wife means personal creativity" - do you really believe that shit?


    Edit: sorry if my post came across as a little rude, but I genuinely do believe that your interpretation of Islam is absolute BS.

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #106 - November 12, 2010, 10:10 PM

    To those who are confused, upset or bored ...  I'm sorry -- so, so sorry -- that my Hu-Amor is lost, that the channels of communication have fallen so far, broken and silenced by the Demiurge.

    This Sheikh's cackle might be more to your liking: certainly a notable sheikh in London has recently said words to this effect regarding my writing ...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b6o39F-tjs&feature=related

    There is a mirror image of each of us: this Sheikh has a mirror image, a shadow: importantly, his image is the logical conclusion of his cackle ... an "ex-Muslim" shadow.

    But there is a remaining chance, as I mentioned, to understand.

    You see, I (like he whose sunnah I follow to the letter) am "similar" to Lynch's cowboy -- in fact, we are a mirrored reflection of the cowboy ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKfU5gd7brU



    The Divisions of Love, second album by my Cabbalacore band, the Friends of Design, out now:

    https://vimeo.com/110528857
  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #107 - November 13, 2010, 10:53 AM

    do you really believe that shit?

    Why shouldn't' he? When you think about it - it does make a lot of sense.

    And even if you disagree with "that shit", why exactly would you have a problem with such an interpretation? Funny thing is in my experience a lot of "proper" Muslims also happen to believe that Sufism is absolute BS. "A gyspy thing, not a part of the religion."

    Btw "being nuts" is not always a bad thing. My favourite philosopher is borderline insane.
  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #108 - November 15, 2010, 03:35 AM

    @Z11 I was referring more to Whitehead's mathematical project and how it linked up to his philosophy in the Anglo-American reading ... If you are reading Whitehead as a Deleuzian, then there is no problem. A lot of Sufis that I know (converts with a Western background) are into Whitehead for some reason, taking a similar kind of reading, though Deleuze is not so well known.


    Ah yes, I see what you mean. It is interesting that you quote Deleuze quite often and yet Deleuze has a staunch anti-transcendent position in which all that is, is the immanent. How do you establish the reality of al-haq when you take an immanence-only position?

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #109 - November 15, 2010, 03:36 AM

    you will: very shortly Wink


    looking forward to it  Smiley

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #110 - November 17, 2010, 07:39 AM

    anytime one sentence needs 5 paragraphs to explain it 'properly' I tend to think they are really working hard to put a round peg in a square hole....I guess I take a kind of Occam's razor kind of view on what things really mean. After all, claiming to be a clear message for everyone to understand and being a giant riddle were everything actually means something else entirely...well that seems contradictory.


    .... which is also why the link



    Seriously though, you're a nice enough guy, but You're working on a different thought process than most of the people you are talking to. To me it seems like you are starting with the premise that this 'revelation' stuff must be true, or at least cant be discarded, and then working your way to make it so. While others here are working from the premise that it does not appear true to them, so it is false, and therefor can simply be discarded.
    In a way, it seems that most of your work is really in convincing yourself. Basically fighting cognitive dissonance, as opposed to recognizing it as a sign that something may be wrong.

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #111 - November 17, 2010, 08:42 AM

    +1 gets to the heart of all my problems with an apoligists position.

    Seriously though, you're a nice enough guy, but You're working on a different thought process than most of the people you are talking to. To me it seems like you are starting with the premise that this 'revelation' stuff must be true,


    Unless you believe people like David Koresh, I would like to ask why you make the assumption that Islam is true?

    We know centuries of man have produced phoney prophets so the starting assumption is more likely to be false, particularly with outlandish claims like a hotline to the divine

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  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #112 - November 17, 2010, 12:15 PM

    The Tailor has a specific type of humor (and ideology). He's like coffee, jazz and beer; an acquired taste Smiley

    It took me a while to realize that, and I think he is borderline crazy, that small strip of land between the sane and the insane, between the genius and the awful, between art and trash.

    But I prefer him to hardliners (even though I do not agree with his interpretation) because he accepts us as human beings. I think he's better than the religion he follows, better than the prophet he follows and yay indeed the God of the Abrahmic religion.  


    Truly, all men follow their own qibla, but only few realize.

     
    Tailor, you grace the night sky a comet hurtling towards the unknown. A momentary glimpse, a streak of fire escaping our sights.

    I salute you my lost brother, I raise my wine cup and drink to your health. To a sound mind, a robust body, a well-rested spirit. May your days be filled with contentment and moments of pure bliss. May the dark clouds only last as long as a raven’s flight.
  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #113 - November 18, 2010, 11:40 PM

    The Tailor is my teddy bear, I love him tender though we're caught in a trap. He knows that only fools rush in and are the devil in disguise. He desires to surrender to the burning love but we're stuck in heartbreak hotel - so please don't be cruel!
  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #114 - November 19, 2010, 12:19 AM

    I love the iconoclasm of religion -- tearing it apart from the inside.  These new-age sufis are doing exactly that.  Afro  whistling2

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #115 - November 19, 2010, 03:41 PM

    These new-age sufis are doing exactly that.  Afro  whistling2

    I think sufi's also make a mockery of what apologists try to do, but do it ten times better.  Hopefully by debating with them, they might see what they themselves are guilty of doing.

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  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #116 - November 20, 2010, 12:44 AM

    X-id Mubarak friends,

    First, let me say I'm very touched by the kind words you guys have written about me. I feel the same way about you, from my side of the fence.

    Second, I will try to return to answer some of the questions raised here soon, and to spam you with a bit more media.

    But the most important thing I wanted to do tonight was to clarify my earlier videos. Actually, what I am about to do is to precisely define the nature of religion, belief, faith, fascism, apostasy and Sufism -- in the Tailorite Qur'an. I am going to do it in a particularly entertaining fashion.

    Check it out:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5ahtJc34Nk

    Love and Light,

    The Tailor (aka Herman U. Ticz)

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  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #117 - November 20, 2010, 01:27 PM

    Peace all,

    I will nowhastily add a few points to the promos I've been spamming here. Yes, I've written a novel that can be purchased from fernmind.com -- a media promotion engine that I've helped establish with (much) wider ambitions in mind.

    I'm pretty sure this novel ought to be perfect for the Council of Ex-Muslims -- it might well become the replacement revelation for you guys Wink

    Basically, the novel concerns a future world in which the UK is run by extremist Tailorites -- a group who took the words of the Tailor literally and implemented a literalist fascist political system based on his various esoteric thoughts. Hyper-Salafi UK. The government do not tolerate anyone suggesting that the Tailor might have been speaking metaphorically -- and in fact view all forms of mysticism as a threat to the state. Meanwhile, Islam proper continues only within the Islamic Republic of America, which converted centuries earlier, its fundamentalist strains being an obvious match.

    There is now a new growing religion on the scene, known as the Rainbow Connection -- or the SEEN -- it has popularity within the universities (activist SEENSocs) -- but are they terrorists or a mind control cult -- or just innocent in their practice of piety?

    The novel utilizes an old 80s interactive gamebook concept (some of you are probably too young to remember it) to make some points about the nature of "the text" and "the game", religion and political change. It's written in second person (like my other favourite book) -- so you play the book like an game -- the "you" in the book is confronted with different decisions (to join the new religion, apostatize, join "secular" Tailorite society, work for the FBI as a plant, etc).

    To use a Sufi term, the book is a malamati work of fiction and contains low levels of sex, drugs (there's a new drug on the street called FNA that plays a vital role), violence (for example, in one scene, sufi saint Hallaj's martyrdom is played out in a Guantanamo bay like prison, there's also this rather wild scene with Lilith in a hollywood nightclub ... ) and general rock and roll.

    Importantly the book (like my other favourite book) will give "you" get to be the "rock star", whatever that means (up to the reader).

    Anyhow, hope some of you like it -- I'll also have some news in the near future about my bigger, "serious" book -- which will be less malamati and more a tailored suit-and-tie.

    Love and Light,

    The Tailor

    The Divisions of Love, second album by my Cabbalacore band, the Friends of Design, out now:

    https://vimeo.com/110528857
  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #118 - November 21, 2010, 02:16 PM

    I've also uploaded a sample branch of the book to Scribd. Remember this is a gamebook, so it branches out like a tree (actually it has some loops as well, so mathematically it is a graph) with 17 other endings, some "better" and some "worse" than this particular ending -- but it gives you a sense of its general dime store flavour.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/43510680/The-Rainbow-Connection-Sample-Story-Branch

    The Divisions of Love, second album by my Cabbalacore band, the Friends of Design, out now:

    https://vimeo.com/110528857
  • Re: Hyper-Salafism: the True Meaning of Islam
     Reply #119 - November 23, 2010, 12:55 AM

    Ah yes, I see what you mean. It is interesting that you quote Deleuze quite often and yet Deleuze has a staunch anti-transcendent position in which all that is, is the immanent. How do you establish the reality of al-haq when you take an immanence-only position?


    Peace Z10,

    Islame reminded me to reply to this.

    You are right of course: Deleuze is Mr Immanence -- an a materialist Immanence at that. I completely buy into it (almost). Actually, if you read many Sufis (and speak to ordinary Sufi types), you will find that immanence is often privileged over transcendence. The Wadatul Wujud idea, basically ... So Sufis in general (as opposed to Tailorite Sufis) are already quite close to Deleuzian materialism. If Deleuze were to equate "matter" with "love", then you'd have a pretty typical Sufi schema.

    But I am closer to ibn Arabi in that I am interested in extending/perverting/blaspheming against Deleuze to get a kind of transcendentalism "for free". I believe it is because the Deleuzian/Guattarian system does not incorporate an impossible feminine, in the Lacanian sense (and also in the Kabbalic sense, that of the Shekhina/Sakina principle). If you look, for example, at how Zizek reads the Lacanian feminine, you get an understanding of how I read the transcendental "out of" immanence.

    Using Islamic tropes, let's say (I'm not claiming anything about the religion please note, this is just an affectation rather than a "proper" Islamic stance): the Sufis call the immanence "hijab". But there is no transcendence/woman under it, so to speak: to conceive of "her" is to weave hijab but to frame it as transcendence (a kind of fascism in Deleuzian understanding, and the basis of religion). Nevertheless, the Sufis believe that "she" -- impossible as she is -- can become a wife, and that is a kind of transcendence.

    There is a rather cryptic write up here:

    http://thegoodgarment.wordpress.com/2010/01/19/the-possible-impossible/


    Love and Light,

    The Tailor

    The Divisions of Love, second album by my Cabbalacore band, the Friends of Design, out now:

    https://vimeo.com/110528857
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