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  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #60 - April 28, 2009, 12:24 PM

    I'd love to know from the men on this forum, if you could freely decide whether or not your child was to be circumcised, would you do it?


    No I wouldn't do it. I now see it is unnecessary and pointless. So why put them though the torment?

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  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #61 - April 28, 2009, 01:29 PM

    ... My first son was done by a Jewish Rabbi. My second by a Muslim lady doctor....

    I am glad that I have not let that happen to my 4 sons!!! Although, I am still having difficult times with people around me who whenever they remember that they torment me with.. "how sinful I am towards my sons"... and that I will be punished for that!!! Of course, after I ask them to provide me with a single proof from the "Holly Quran".... they all go Baaaa Baaaaa, and become less intelligent than that fat lamb from the cartoon Shaun The Sheep!!!



    ..... It was just a wild bit of reasoning to understand why Muhammad would want to carry on with such a Jewish ritual....

    Exactly!! first of all, I know since long time ago that Mohamed was not actually circumcised when he was a child nor when he was old.... rumor has it that Mohamed was "born circumcised"..... Furthermore, didn't he (Mo) always said that Muslims should do the opposite of what Jews do?? So yes, why would he want to carry on with such a Jewish ritual?Huh?

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  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #62 - April 28, 2009, 01:31 PM

    I wonder if masturbation is more effort without a foreskin.
    I can picture how clumsy it would be to masturbate if I kept the foreskin pulled back fully.

    Not as nice ans smooth! I would probably jerk off once a year maximum cause I am lazy :S

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #63 - April 28, 2009, 01:46 PM

    I wonder if masturbation is more effort without a foreskin.
    I can picture how clumsy it would be to masturbate if I kept the foreskin pulled back fully.

    Not as nice ans smooth! I would probably jerk off once a year maximum cause I am lazy :S

    It does not have to be done in this way - there are many methods.  One I have not tried yet was a method a Jewish guy I used to know used.  He used his old silk handkerchief as a replacement for his foreskin.

    He loved that red piece of silk, I just hope nobody used it as a handkerchief afterwards..

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  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #64 - April 28, 2009, 01:47 PM

    I wonder if masturbation is more effort without a foreskin.
    I can picture how clumsy it would be to masturbate if I kept the foreskin pulled back fully.

    Not as nice ans smooth! I would probably jerk off once a year maximum cause I am lazy :S


    Its smooth inside the vagina though. Masturbating is easy just lube up. It takes time to build up but the orgasm is more satisfying.
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #65 - April 28, 2009, 02:21 PM

    Here is an impressive list of reasons why some people circumcise their sons!!!

    Which one you find the funniest??

    _____________________________


    Conformity
    ?   Because "a boy should look like his father"
    ?   Because all the nice families are having it done.
    ?   Because it is a cultural norm.
    Medical
    ?   To prevent or cure alcoholism, arthritic hips, asthma, balanitis, blindness, boils, cervical cancer, chicken pox, epididymitis, epilepsy, gallstones, gout, headaches, hernia, HIV, hydrocephaly, hydrocoele, hypertension, insanity, kidney disease, kleptomaina, leprosy, moral depravity, paraphimosis, penile cancer, plague, phimosis, posthitis, prostate cancer, rectal prolapse, rheumatism, schistosoma, spinal curvature, stomach infection, tuberculosis, urinary tract infections and/or yeast infections.
    Religious
    ?   To draw down the Divine light, bring down the soul of holiness into the body...
    ?   Because it is a good Christian thing to do.
    ?   Because Mohammed was "born circumcised".
    ?   Because a baboon the Egyptians considered sacred is "born circumcised".
    Sexual
    ?   Because his mother and her friends prefer circumcised men for sexual pleasure.
    ?   Because it enhances sensitivity.
    ?   Because it reduces sensitivity.
    Aesthetic
    ?   Because it makes it uniformly pink.
    ?   Because it makes the penis look more modern
    Irrational
    ?   Because the foreskin will fall off if a baby is put into a hot tub of water for a bath.
    ?   Because it only seems natural.
    ?   To prevent "psychological trauma due to castration anxiety".
    Instructive
    ?   To teach him that the world is a painful place.
    Submission
    ?   Because his master ordered it.
    Pre-emptive
    ?   Because it will have to be done sooner or later.
    ?   To benefit someone else
    ?   To provide collagen for cosmetic surgery on lips and cheeks.
    Cleanliness
    ?   To stop him dribbling when he pees.
    Control
    ?   "Because [my sister's] doctor said having his glans exposed would help calm him down a little".
    Revenge
    ?   Because his mother had an episiotomy. ("I was cut, why shouldn't he be?")
    Financial
    ?   Because a military surgeon "wanted to get back into practice because she could get $100 apiece for them in private practice."
    Initiation
    ?   To prepare him to receive tribal secrets.
    ?   To separate him from his mother.
    Non-conformity
    ?   Because he belongs to the upper class.
    ?   Because "I kind of think it is 'American'... in the early years of this great nation, we took pride in BEING DIFFERENT than other nations".
    Concealment
    ?   To pass as a Muslim.
    Punitive
    ?   To spite his absent/divorced father.
    ?   To get even for having been raped as a teenager.
    Symbolic
    ?   To make the penis look like that of a kangaroo.
    Status
    ?   Because he will be prevented from speaking in public if his (Samoan) father is intact.
    ?   "If you ain't circumcised, you ain't shit."
    ?   Because he's an orphan.
    Reproductive
    ?   To prevent infertility.
    Reward
    ?   To use his foreskin for a dowry.
    ?   In exchange for not having to change his diapers.
    Convenience
    ?   Because "we just do it. It's better this way." (to a man being operated on for kidney stones)
    ?   Because he is under anaesthetic already for another operation.
    ?   Because his mother was having another baby, so they could go in together.
    Iatrogenic
    ?   To treat paraphimosis caused by improper insertion of a catheter.
    Ignorance
    ?   To make his penis bigger.
    ?   "...to protect the boy or man from the psychological trauma of an abnormally small penis"
    ?   Because it's a law.
    ?   Because his mother had never seen an intact penis and thought it was deformed.
    Mistake
    ?   Because of an "accident on medical records..." According to the "paperwork guidelines, I was not supposed to be Circ."
    Pity
    ?   Because the father "just didn't want to argue with her after she'd been through all that suffering."
    Prudery
    ?   Because his mother thought that cleaning him was too much like masturbating him.
    Sympathetic Magic
    ?   To give him the appearance of permanent arousal.
    ?   To remove the female element from him.
    Vague
    ?   "She's not even clear on [it]. She just wants it, you know."
    ?   " thought [he] might as well be circ'd."

    _______________________________________

    Refrence: http://www.circumstitions.com/Stitions.html

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  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #66 - April 28, 2009, 03:11 PM

    ?   Because Mohammed was "born circumcised".



    Is there a belief\hadith\saying like this among Muslims? Shocked

    World renowned historian Will Durant"...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown..."
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #67 - April 28, 2009, 03:39 PM

    Yes

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #68 - April 28, 2009, 06:54 PM

    ?   Because Mohammed was "born circumcised".



    Is there a belief\hadith\saying like this among Muslims? Shocked


    There is something even better!!! Quran never endorsed nor ordered Muslims to circumcise. In fact, people who do so are disobeying Allah!!!!  If you look at these verses:

    He created everything in exact measure; He precisely designed everything... (25:2)

    He designed you, and designed you well... (40:64)

    He created the heavens and the earth for a specific purpose, designed you and perfected your design.... (64:3)

    He created man in the best design.... (95:4)

    [Satan said:] " I will mislead them, I will entice them, I will command them to mark the ears of livestock, and I will command them to distort the creation of GOD.".... (4:119)


    I particularly like the last verse, as it clearly says that people who disfigure animals like cutting pieces off of their ears or tails or distort God's creation (e.g. circumcision) are actually follow the Satan's sinister deeds and wills...

    So there you go... everything leads to one conclusion... Muslims obviously don't read Quran!!! parrot and just play stupid and in large groups!!

    While looking for references for Muhammed's circumcision. I cam a cross many articles talking about how it was never mentioned that Moses was circumcised. This is strange. How come the Father of Jew and the Father of Muslims were never circumcised by human beings (i.e. there are claims that they were born circumcised). !!!! Maybe what they were telling the large groups of stupid people, please don't do it. You are all born pure and perfect... Just a thought!! Thinking hard

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  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #69 - April 28, 2009, 11:07 PM

    This is a powerful video on the subject

    WARNING very graphic!! It actually shows the procedure

    http://www.youtube.com/v/bx89xECfHG4&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1

    ...
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #70 - April 28, 2009, 11:21 PM

    I wonder if masturbation is more effort without a foreskin.
    I can picture how clumsy it would be to masturbate if I kept the foreskin pulled back fully.

    Not as nice ans smooth! I would probably jerk off once a year maximum cause I am lazy :S


    Its smooth inside the vagina though. Masturbating is easy just lube up. It takes time to build up but the orgasm is more satisfying.

    Well, having to lube up is what i consider "too much effort".
    I don't like wasting time and energy to have an orgasm :S

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #71 - April 29, 2009, 06:20 AM

    Damn. You must be great in the sack.

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  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #72 - April 29, 2009, 07:20 AM

    Damn. You must be great in the sack.

     Cheesy

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  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #73 - April 29, 2009, 08:21 AM

    Damn. You must be great in the sack.

    I am not great nor bad. I have not had sex in more than 5 years dance
    So I barely remember what sex is like etcetera :S

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #74 - April 29, 2009, 11:59 AM

    When I look at pictures of un-circumcised penises i can help feeling pity for myself and envy those who were a lot more fortunate than me to have un-believer parents or parents from other religions which did not require physical mutilation.

    http://www.foreskinrestore.com/main.html

    http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=1687

    I also suggest to read the threads on the subject on RDF:
    http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1531
    http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=77684
    http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=44534

    "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #75 - April 30, 2009, 02:23 PM

    Remember that humans did not evolve with clothes originally. They did, however, evolve in Africa. Now if you're walking around in Africa with your dick hanging out in the full glare of the sun...................

    That would be one obvious reason to start with.


    That explains dark skin but foreskins? 
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #76 - April 30, 2009, 02:30 PM

    Some blokes take themselves far too seriously. It's only sex for fuck's sake. << Notice terribly clever pun and all.  grin12

    Its a classic sign of insecurity

    Yep. Sex is supposed to be fun dammit. Insecurity just messes things up for everyone.


    That's because of all the religion in society.  Americans are the worst, second only to muslims.  Here in the States, you mention "sex education" in any other context than "abstinence only", and the parents are going to think that you are promoting prostitution classes for the kids!  It's sick.
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #77 - April 30, 2009, 03:00 PM

    Remember that humans did not evolve with clothes originally. They did, however, evolve in Africa. Now if you're walking around in Africa with your dick hanging out in the full glare of the sun...................

    That would be one obvious reason to start with.


    That explains dark skin but foreskins? 

    So say you're walking thru the bush naked like a primitive man, and you accidently come across a thorny bush you can't avoid, maybe it has barbs. That foreskin sure comes in handy. I'm sure walking through a field of grass can't be too comfortable for the glans either.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #78 - April 30, 2009, 03:36 PM

    When I look at pictures of un-circumcised penises i can help feeling pity for myself and envy those who were a lot more fortunate than me to have un-believer parents or parents from other religions which did not require physical mutilation.

    http://www.foreskinrestore.com/main.html

    http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=1687

    I also suggest to read the threads on the subject on RDF:
    http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1531
    http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=77684
    http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=44534



    No no no,  no I may not like my penis CIRCed, but would not bother to go into the hassle of restoration and stuff!! I am enjoying sex, although I would have preferred that I decide for myself!!! Over react

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  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #79 - April 30, 2009, 05:49 PM

    When I look at pictures of un-circumcised penises i can help feeling pity for myself and envy those who were a lot more fortunate than me to have un-believer parents or parents from other religions which did not require physical mutilation.


    I really am quite cynical about this thread. Do you really give a shit about being circumcised? Is it something that you can remember and are traumatised by? Has it affected your life in any way, shape or form?

    If I had a son, I would not have him circumcised but I have been circumcised, it is absolutely all I have known and I don't give a shit about it. And I don't give a shit about anyone else circumcising their children. I don't miss my foreskin. I'm not traumatised by the event becauase i can't remember. I can piss, fuck and wank! I have never in my whole entire life met any person who had been affected in some way by their circumcision.

    I think there are more serious things to worry about than this. I have a yoghurt in the fridge that goes out of date today. I've got to make sure I finish it by midnight.

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #80 - April 30, 2009, 06:30 PM

    Well thats great for you but your suspicion of this thread is unjustified. If men were not affected or traumatised in anyway there would be no clinics catering specially to helping them restore it.

    no demand no sale no money.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #81 - April 30, 2009, 09:07 PM

    I really am quite cynical about this thread. Do you really give a shit about being circumcised?


    I am actually very cynical about your reply (and disappointed). I have a feeling you are a secret circumcision endorser. If you look at the topics being discussed in this welcoming forum which I enjoyed very much, you will find that female genital mutilation (FGM) was one of them. However, I think, MGM is far much commoner problem that should be gathering interest from all people around the world, religious and atheists alike!!!

    Actually, circumcision is one of many things that should make religion look suspicious.... and should actually (in my humble opinion) make people question the authenticity of a God who create man in, supposedly, the best form and yet requires them to correct an engineering error that he obviously has overlooked!! Especially when it is required (and considered mandatory) by two major religions, namely Islam and Judaism.


    I think there are more serious things to worry about than this. I have a yoghurt in the fridge that goes out of date today. I've got to make sure I finish it by midnight.


    Again, if you think that eating an expired yogurt is much more interesting than finding more about an ancient barbaric religious bull crap, I would say that yes you are wasting your time very much!!!

    ...
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #82 - April 30, 2009, 09:18 PM

    I am actually very cynical about your reply (and disappointed). I have a feeling you are a secret circumcision endorser. If you look at the topics being discussed in this welcoming forum which I enjoyed very much, you will find that female genital mutilation (FGM) was one of them. However, I think, MGM is far much commoner problem that should be gathering interest from all people around the world, religious and atheists alike!!!

    Actually, circumcision is one of many things that should make religion look suspicious.... and should actually (in my humble opinion) make people question the authenticity of a God who create man in, supposedly, the best form and yet requires them to correct an engineering error that he obviously has overlooked!! Especially when it is required (and considered mandatory) by two major religions, namely Islam and Judaism.


    If it genuinely bothers you, than fair enough. But the reason I am cynical about it is because I have never ever met anybody who doesn't lead anything other than a normal life after being circumcised and I thought it was just an attempt to have a go at Muslims just for the sake of it rather than talking about real issues, because that is what I have thought about a couple of discussions on this forum. But as I said, if its a real issue for you, then go ahead.

    I totally agree with you on your other point. Why would an all powerful God create a human body so that you have to get rid of certain parts of it. I am so glad I don't have to shave my armpits anymore! One of the most annoying thing about being a Muslim (although I still shave my balls, but thats just because I like it! Too much info I think!).

    By the way, circumcision is not actually mandatory in Islam. I was surprised when I found that out.


    I think there are more serious things to worry about than this. I have a yoghurt in the fridge that goes out of date today. I've got to make sure I finish it by midnight.


    Again, if you think that eating an expired yogurt is much more interesting than finding more about an ancient barbaric religious bull crap, I would say that yes you are wasting your time very much!!!


    By the way, you will be pleased to know that I have finished my yoghurt.

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #83 - April 30, 2009, 09:31 PM

    I'm glad about the yoghurt.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #84 - May 01, 2009, 04:28 AM

    This is a powerful video on the subject

    WARNING very graphic!! It actually shows the procedure

    http://www.youtube.com/v/bx89xECfHG4&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1



    This is the most awful thing I've ever seen in my life. Circumcision IS genital mutilation and no different when it's done to men or to women. For fuck's sake, what the hell is wrong with human beings?!!!!

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #85 - May 01, 2009, 08:01 AM

    By the way, you will be pleased to know that I have finished my yoghurt.


     Huh?

    ...
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #86 - May 01, 2009, 08:13 AM

    This is the most awful thing I've ever seen in my life. Circumcision IS genital mutilation and no different when it's done to men or to women. For fuck's sake, what the hell is wrong with human beings?!!!!


    Some people think it is fine with this sadistic-voluntary-infant-mutilation-molestation!!! Can you believe that?

    Yes, I can define circumcision (of both sexes, MGM and FGM) as a sadistic pain-inflicting molestation with parental consent!!! Think about it! a total stranger gropes and touches and feels your baby's genitals then inflicts pain by cutting in it with a sharp object!!!

    I think the UN, WHO, or what ever powerful organization, that cares, should put these parents in Jail time

    ...
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #87 - May 01, 2009, 09:04 AM

    By the way, you will be pleased to know that I have finished my yoghurt.


     Huh?


    he is proud of that

    he should be too

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #88 - May 01, 2009, 09:07 AM

    I would be. Bacteria work bloody hard to make that stuff. Shame to waste it.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: MGM: Male Genital Mutilation (not the Motion Picture Company!!!)
     Reply #89 - May 01, 2009, 09:14 AM

    seriously?

    don't bacteria dream too?

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
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