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Fighting to remain faithful?
OP - May 06, 2009, 11:51 AM

The mini jihad of the self.

Don't you think it's strange to have to fight to remain faithful to god? or do you think that faith should be easy?

I was mulling this over a few days ago, on the one hand I can see the appeal to some, to believe that their fight to remain faithful inspite of all the overwhelming evidence against it will lead to heaven, yet on the other hand I think that faith shouldn't be a struggle.

At times I felt strongly that god wanted me to struggle to keep faith because real faith needs to be tested, you know the whole religious way of thinking that leads to those kind of conclusions, at other times it didn't really make any sense that one needed to embark of a jihad of the self to keep faith.

Has anybody else given much thought to the mini jihad and if so what conclusions did it lead you too?

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Reply #1 - May 06, 2009, 12:27 PM

Quote from: BerberElla on May 06, 2009, 11:51 AM
The mini jihad of the self.

Don't you think it's strange to have to fight to remain faithful to god? or do you think that faith should be easy?

I was mulling this over a few days ago, on the one hand I can see the appeal to some, to believe that their fight to remain faithful inspite of all the overwhelming evidence against it will lead to heaven, yet on the other hand I think that faith shouldn't be a struggle.

At times I felt strongly that god wanted me to struggle to keep faith because real faith needs to be tested, you know the whole religious way of thinking that leads to those kind of conclusions, at other times it didn't really make any sense that one needed to embark of a jihad of the self to keep faith.

Has anybody else given much thought to the mini jihad and if so what conclusions did it lead you too?

Jihad Al-Naffs. I know it well. But why should Faith need to be tested?? After a long time in this so called personal Jihad I came out thinkin Fuck Religion, Fuck Islam and Fuck God. And it made me a better person.
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Reply #2 - May 06, 2009, 12:41 PM

Nothing is free.

I think this should be enough for any thinking person:

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why should Paradise be cheap

your eyes see it as pile of heap

for top job you study your ass off

God the top boss aint like you a blob

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Reply #3 - May 06, 2009, 12:52 PM

Quote from: rayback on May 06, 2009, 12:41 PM
Nothing is free.

I think this should be enough for any thinking person:

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why should Paradise be cheap

your eyes see it as pile of heap

for top job you study your ass off

God the top boss aint like you a blob

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Your analogy isn't right, Islam is the job, you are then fighting your natural dislike of the companies ethical practises in order to remain in the job because the "pension" appears desirable.

This is wrong, to fight to be a person you do not really want to be simply to gain a reward is wrong.

And what was the blob comment for?

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Reply #4 - May 06, 2009, 12:59 PM

Quote from: BerberElla on May 06, 2009, 12:52 PM

Your analogy isn't right, Islam is the job, you are then fighting your natural dislike of the companies ethical practises in order to remain in the job because the "pension" appears desirable.

This is wrong, to fight to be a person you do not really want to be simply to gain a reward is wrong.

And what was the blob comment for?

I wil try to explain more easily:

In top office, you wear a certain uniform and you leave your stuff at home as your boss demands. Similiarly, heaven demands that you shed certain of your attitudes.

Otherwise, your application for the eternal job gets binned.

You have to follow the rules of the office you are trying to gets in to.

I would have thought that is common sense.

By the way, the blog comment was to the lazy bosses who ruin their company or office because they dont discipline their workforce. They go bankrupt. Paradise is never allowed to go bankrupt, because only the highly qualified will be allowed in that High Office.

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Reply #5 - May 06, 2009, 01:10 PM

Ironically, I get a lot of Christians bitter for being an Atheist who doesn't smoke, nor drink, nor eat junk food, nor has sex ^_^

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Reply #6 - May 06, 2009, 01:11 PM

Quote from: rayback on May 06, 2009, 12:59 PM
You have to follow the rules of the office you are trying to gets in to.

I would have thought that is common sense.

Not if those rules are unethical, then it is a completely different story.

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Reply #7 - May 06, 2009, 01:12 PM

Quote from: rayback on May 06, 2009, 12:59 PM

I wil try to explain more easily:

In top office, you wear a certain uniform and you leave your stuff at home as your boss demands. Similiarly, heaven demands that you shed certain of your attitudes.

Otherwise, your application for the eternal job gets binned.

You have to follow the rules of the office you are trying to gets in to.

I would have thought that is common sense.

By the way, the blog comment was to the lazy bosses who ruin their company or office because they dont discipline their workforce. They go bankrupt. Paradise is never allowed to go bankrupt, because only the highly qualified will be allowed in that High Office.

Firstly I understood you, I think you are wrong, doesn't matter how patronising you make the tone of your reply, in my eyes you are still wrong. Why? because you do not seem to understand what I am saying.

Let me cut and paste it once again and bold it for you to see:

Islam is the job, you are then fighting your natural dislike of the companies ethical practises in order to remain in the job because the "pension" appears desirable.

I am talking about fighting to remain faithful, not being faithful because you actually agree.

Your analogy assumes that the job is worth it, that the person wants the job more than anything. My analogy says the job is already theirs by default of being muslim, it is whether they want to stay in the job, produce the hard work, turn a blind eye to the company trafficking in slaves, or other such stuff that would make staying in the job abhorrant, all because the pension sounds to good to turn down.

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Reply #8 - May 06, 2009, 01:43 PM

Quote from: BerberElla on May 06, 2009, 01:12 PM

Islam is the job, you are then fighting your natural dislike of the companies ethical practises in order to remain in the job because the "pension" appears desirable.

I am talking about fighting to remain faithful, not being faithful because you actually agree.

Your analogy assumes that the job is worth it, that the person wants the job more than anything. My analogy says the job is already theirs by default of being muslim, it is whether they want to stay in the job, produce the hard work, turn a blind eye to the company trafficking in slaves, or other such stuff that would make staying in the job abhorrant, all because the pension sounds to good to turn down.

You got it wrong lady.

You need to re-tune to the reality.

You simply fail to see what religion actually is.

Let me break it down further.

Religion is not the job.

Religion is the "application" to get the job.

Office of Paradise is the job.

Comprehende?

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Reply #9 - May 06, 2009, 01:47 PM

Quote from: rayback on May 06, 2009, 01:43 PM

You got it wrong lady.

You need to re-tune to the reality.

You simply fail to see what religion actually is.

Let me break it down further.

Religion is not the job.

Religion is the "application" to get the job.

Office of Paradise is the job.

Comprehende?

Can you not even see how wrong that is?

You are saying that you spend your life dedicated to religion in order to then go on and get the reward which is a job, a JOB is the reward?

No, the job is work, religion is work, heaven is not work, the pension is not work, they are both at the end of the road.

What is so hard to understand about that?

Seems to me that it is you with the comprehension problem here and the bad analogy.

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Reply #10 - May 06, 2009, 02:02 PM

Ok.

If you say so.

I dont like to mess with anyone with fangs.

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Reply #11 - May 07, 2009, 07:05 AM

Quote from: BerberElla on May 06, 2009, 11:51 AM
The mini jihad of the self.

Don't you think it's strange to have to fight to remain faithful to god? or do you think that faith should be easy?

I was mulling this over a few days ago, on the one hand I can see the appeal to some, to believe that their fight to remain faithful inspite of all the overwhelming evidence against it will lead to heaven, yet on the other hand I think that faith shouldn't be a struggle.

At times I felt strongly that god wanted me to struggle to keep faith because real faith needs to be tested, you know the whole religious way of thinking that leads to those kind of conclusions, at other times it didn't really make any sense that one needed to embark of a jihad of the self to keep faith.

Has anybody else given much thought to the mini jihad and if so what conclusions did it lead you too?

Do you mean struggling with doubts and/or desires? I always sought to strengthen my faith by challenging it with doubts, perusing the anti-Islaamic sites to see their arguments, which I easily refuted. I only doubted when I seen my own that no one I knew of had asked before, to which I could find no satisfying answers .

Desires beat me up all the time (mostly lusting after naked internet chicks ), and I'd repent every time.

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Do people think that they will be left alone because they say, "We believe," and will not be tested? And We indeed tested those who were before them...

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Reply #12 - May 10, 2009, 06:42 PM

The struggle, the bad things that happen, we all suffer together.

Even physical pain we all feel everyday, hunger, thirst.

I dont view these things as a test of faith, but as reality and a reality nobody can escape. therefore when i feel hunger in my body on a morning i know how those poor people who die every day through no food must feel, therefore i see the 'fight' as a way to develop a stronger spirit, to realise and have sympathy for fellow living beings wo all have these things going on, the mini jihads! We all lust, it can cause distress in our hearts and minds let alone Gods! so we should understand and not be ashamed, so we can talk and overcome together.

We are all mini freedom fighters, we should fight from the oppression that hurts us, our own greed and hate, and learn to reach others to overcome theirs. For me thats where God can be reached.

Not easy at all eh!
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Reply #13 - May 11, 2009, 02:55 PM

Quote from: Glen on May 10, 2009, 06:42 PM
The struggle, the bad things that happen, we all suffer together.

Even physical pain we all feel everyday, hunger, thirst.

I dont view these things as a test of faith, but as reality and a reality nobody can escape. therefore when i feel hunger in my body on a morning i know how those poor people who die every day through no food must feel, therefore i see the 'fight' as a way to develop a stronger spirit, to realise and have sympathy for fellow living beings wo all have these things going on, the mini jihads! We all lust, it can cause distress in our hearts and minds let alone Gods! so we should understand and not be ashamed, so we can talk and overcome together.

We are all mini freedom fighters, we should fight from the oppression that hurts us, our own greed and hate, and learn to reach others to overcome theirs. For me thats where God can be reached.

Not easy at all eh!

Excellent reasoning. Unbiased and realistic.

Glen, as you can read above, some people dont like to clean things.

They dont like struggle.

They wants to be spoon fed.

However, thats not how universe was designed, nor its laws set.

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Reply #14 - May 11, 2009, 02:57 PM

Quote from: rayback on May 11, 2009, 02:55 PM

But, as you can read above, some people dont like to clean things.

They dont like struggle.

They wants to be spoon fed.

However, thats not how universe was designed, nor its laws set.

You're chatting bullshit again hairyback.

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Reply #15 - May 11, 2009, 03:02 PM

Ok. I take it back.

You must be seeing a lots of spoons in the sky.

I am the last to doubt a lady's astronomical observations.

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