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  • As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     OP - May 10, 2009, 01:11 AM
    I have left Islam.  I wanted to put this tactfully into my introduction but, it has been moved into a part of the forum which can only be accessed through search.

    I don't know what else to say, really.
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #1 - May 10, 2009, 01:19 AM
    Hurrah for you! So, was it some kind of soul searching period or an all of a sudden decision?

    Either way, happy that you are "free".                                                                               
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #2 - May 10, 2009, 01:19 AM
    Welcome!
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  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #3 - May 10, 2009, 01:20 AM
    Ah. We thought you might. Your intro should still be accessible though. Hang on while I take a look.

    ETA: Oh yeah, found it. The Great Database Stuff-up. I'll fix that soon.
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  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #4 - May 10, 2009, 01:20 AM
    WiHeeeee.  party!

    After seeing your earlier posts, it looks like you have gone full circle (like most of us), so you must have done a lot of thinking.  

    I am really chuffed for you, and your journey will not end here.  You will probably have to take stock and reevaluate where you stand and explore new areas that you always wanted to do, but were forbidden by the religion.  

    Do you think you were always a closet apostate, and what were the strongest arguments that led to your current stance?

    Dont forget to keep us posted on you new life, with all of its trials & tribulations
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  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #5 - May 10, 2009, 01:30 AM
    Hey Goldie

    Your earlier intro thread is probly in archives, but its okay we can retrieve it and put it back on the main forum. 

    I'm glad you feel able to tell us about your decision to leave Islam.  Where do you stand now?  Do you believe in God, or are you in the atheist/agnostic camp?

    Have you had a drink yet? cheers
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  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #6 - May 10, 2009, 01:37 AM
    Thank you everybody for your kind words.

    Quote
    So, was it some kind of soul searching period or an all of a sudden decision?


    I searched my soul for a long time, years I'm afraid I wasted in that searching.  In the end it was neither gradual nor sudden, it was just a facing up to a truth that I had known for a long time.

     

  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #7 - May 10, 2009, 01:40 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on May 10, 2009, 01:30 AM
    Hey Goldie

    Your earlier intro thread is probly in archives, but its okay we can retrieve it and put it back on the main forum.

    I'd rather not. Wait for the merger. Really.

    Anyway Goldie, are you feeling up or down or just sort of stunned about your new outlook on life?
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  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #8 - May 10, 2009, 01:43 AM
    good question
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  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #9 - May 10, 2009, 01:46 AM
    Quote from: Goldie on May 10, 2009, 01:37 AM
    In the end it was neither gradual nor sudden, it was just a facing up to a truth that I had known for a long time


    Yep, that sounds familiar, Goldie - but at least we were able to face up to that truth - take that as a positive  Afro
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #10 - May 10, 2009, 01:48 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 10, 2009, 01:20 AM
    WiHeeeee.  party!

    After seeing your earlier posts, it looks like you have gone full circle (like most of us), so you must have done a lot of thinking. 

    I am really chuffed for you, and your journey will not end here.  You will probably have to take stock and reevaluate where you stand and explore new areas that you always wanted to do, but were forbidden by the religion. 

    Do you think you were always a closet apostate, and what were the strongest arguments that led to your current stance?

    Dont forget to keep us posted on you new life, with all of its trials & tribulations


    No I was never a closet apostate.  I honestly think that if Islam had not been so full of homophobia that I couldn't argue against, even when I met muslims who tried.  I think I could have stayed muslim, I do not really know. 
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #11 - May 10, 2009, 01:58 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on May 10, 2009, 01:40 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on May 10, 2009, 01:30 AM
    Hey Goldie

    Your earlier intro thread is probly in archives, but its okay we can retrieve it and put it back on the main forum.

    I'd rather not. Wait for the merger. Really.

    Anyway Goldie, are you feeling up or down or just sort of stunned about your new outlook on life?


    I feel up.  Smiley

    I did confide with another person by PM a few weeks ago that I had lost belief in Islam.  One of the things he asked was had I drank alcohol?  I have never drank any alcohol in my life, but tonight I had some wine with a meal, and I think that's why I have got over the embarrassment of admitting it.

    It is embarrassing to me in hindsight.  Homosexuality is acceptable in Islam, I wish.  How embarrassing that I posted something so dishonest in your forum. 
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #12 - May 10, 2009, 02:02 AM
    Quote from: Goldie on May 10, 2009, 01:58 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on May 10, 2009, 01:40 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on May 10, 2009, 01:30 AM
    Hey Goldie

    Your earlier intro thread is probly in archives, but its okay we can retrieve it and put it back on the main forum.

    I'd rather not. Wait for the merger. Really.

    Anyway Goldie, are you feeling up or down or just sort of stunned about your new outlook on life?


    I feel up.  Smiley

    I did confide with another person by PM a few weeks ago that I had lost belief in Islam.  One of the things he asked was had I drank alcohol?  I have never drank any alcohol in my life, but tonight I had some wine with a meal, and I think that's why I have got over the embarrassment of admitting it.

    It is embarrassing to me in hindsight.  Homosexuality is acceptable in Islam, I wish.  How embarrassing that I posted something so dishonest in your forum. 


    Don't feel bad - on the contrary, you have much more strength than most Muslims who will never admit that their heart and mind contradict Islam.
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #13 - May 10, 2009, 02:08 AM
    What do you think of Allah now? Does he still exist? Do you feel confident in telling your muslim assosciates, or will you just drop off the face of the earth as far as they're concerned? Did you ever feel guilty for your sexuality? How do you feel now?
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  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #14 - May 10, 2009, 02:12 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 10, 2009, 01:46 AM
    Quote from: Goldie on May 10, 2009, 01:37 AM
    In the end it was neither gradual nor sudden, it was just a facing up to a truth that I had known for a long time


    Yep, that sounds familiar, Goldie - but at least we were able to face up to that truth - take that as a positive  Afro


    It is the truth, and I've watched your videos and felt that you were telling the truth when you spoke about how Islam was man made.  Its a terrible travesty that so many good people live their lives in obedience to something so pointless.
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #15 - May 10, 2009, 02:19 AM
    Hi Goldie!

    As you might have realised, I'm not particularly fond of Islam, but it was also obvious to me that you were a good person pre Islam, & you remain the same good person post Islam. Smiley
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  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #16 - May 10, 2009, 02:19 AM
    Quote from: Goldie on May 10, 2009, 01:58 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on May 10, 2009, 01:40 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on May 10, 2009, 01:30 AM
    Hey Goldie

    Your earlier intro thread is probly in archives, but its okay we can retrieve it and put it back on the main forum.

    I'd rather not. Wait for the merger. Really.

    Anyway Goldie, are you feeling up or down or just sort of stunned about your new outlook on life?


    I feel up.  Smiley

    I did confide with another person by PM a few weeks ago that I had lost belief in Islam.  One of the things he asked was had I drank alcohol?  I have never drank any alcohol in my life, but tonight I had some wine with a meal, and I think that's why I have got over the embarrassment of admitting it.

    Cool. Up is good, and a nice glass of plonk with dinner every so often is rather nice as well.


    Quote
    It is embarrassing to me in hindsight.  Homosexuality is acceptable in Islam, I wish.  How embarrassing that I posted something so dishonest in your forum. 

    You'll get over it. At least you realised you were blithering. That's got to be good for your street cred.  grin12
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  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #17 - May 10, 2009, 02:21 AM
    Quote from: Goldie on May 10, 2009, 02:12 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 10, 2009, 01:46 AM
    Quote from: Goldie on May 10, 2009, 01:37 AM
    In the end it was neither gradual nor sudden, it was just a facing up to a truth that I had known for a long time


    Yep, that sounds familiar, Goldie - but at least we were able to face up to that truth - take that as a positive  Afro


    It is the truth, and I've watched your videos and felt that you were telling the truth when you spoke about how Islam was man made.  Its a terrible travesty that so many good people live their lives in obedience to something so pointless.


    Indeed! And I have many loved ones still living their lives in obedience to things that are just man-made myths - yet if you tell them this they simply think you are evil - what can you do?
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #18 - May 10, 2009, 02:22 AM
    Quote from: awais on May 10, 2009, 02:08 AM
    What do you think of Allah now? Does he still exist? Do you feel confident in telling your muslim assosciates, or will you just drop off the face of the earth as far as they're concerned? Did you ever feel guilty for your sexuality? How do you feel now?



    My muslim associates as you so belittlingly call them, will accept me just the way I am.  I feel very good and centred now.  Allah?  I think if he exists he is not quite the Allah of my childhood.
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #19 - May 10, 2009, 02:29 AM
    Quote from: Goldie on May 10, 2009, 01:11 AM
    I have left Islam.  I wanted to put this tactfully into my introduction but, it has been moved into a part of the forum which can only be accessed through search.

    I don't know what else to say, really.

    . 

    Congratulations.  I know you had some conflict before between the religion and some things in your life.  I hope you no longer feel those conflicts in your life. 
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  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #20 - May 10, 2009, 02:34 AM
    Quote from: Goldie on May 10, 2009, 02:22 AM
    Quote from: awais on May 10, 2009, 02:08 AM
    What do you think of Allah now? Does he still exist? Do you feel confident in telling your muslim assosciates, or will you just drop off the face of the earth as far as they're concerned? Did you ever feel guilty for your sexuality? How do you feel now?



    My muslim associates as you so belittlingly call them, will accept me just the way I am.  I feel very good and centred now.  Allah?  I think if he exists he is not quite the Allah of my childhood.

    I did not mean to be belittling, I meant to be inclusive of your friends and everyone else you knew Tongue
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  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #21 - May 10, 2009, 02:35 AM
    Quote from: Rashna on May 10, 2009, 02:19 AM
    Hi Goldie!

    As you might have realised, I'm not particularly fond of Islam, but it was also obvious to me that you were a good person pre Islam, & you remain the same good person post Islam. Smiley


    Thank you Rashna.  hugs

  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #22 - May 10, 2009, 04:16 AM
    Welcome Goldie to this side of the fence. I can relate to the feeling of wanting to have Islam be more accepting, more loving, more welcoming. I felt that way too... a long time ago. There's the heartbreak of facing the bitter truth that Islam (and religion in general) is all a man-made device, but there's also the exhilaration of freedom once you realize that you are free-er than you had been led to believe. I wish for you the best of energy in your journey ahead. I think you'll find this is just the beginning, not the end. Smiley

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  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #23 - May 10, 2009, 07:20 PM
    Congratulations Goldie Smiley I'm glad you are feeling up after your deconversion yes It's nice to hear the muslims in your life are accepting too.

    Out of curiosity do you have a fear of hell for leaving Islam?
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  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #24 - May 10, 2009, 07:22 PM
    Congratulations Goldie, I know it wasn't easy but you honestly have made the right choice and come to the right conclusions.  Smiley
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #25 - May 10, 2009, 07:25 PM
    Quote from: allat on May 10, 2009, 04:16 AM
    Welcome Goldie to this side of the fence. As a queer person myself

    I'm not having a go because you are choosing the word to describe yourself (my reaction would be different if a heterosexual used that word) , but why choose the word 'queer'.  Doesnt it imply that there is something odd or strange about your sexuality?
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  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #26 - May 10, 2009, 10:14 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 10, 2009, 07:25 PM
    Quote from: allat on May 10, 2009, 04:16 AM
    Welcome Goldie to this side of the fence. As a queer person myself

    I'm not having a go because you are choosing the word to describe yourself (my reaction would be different if a heterosexual used that word) , but why choose the word 'queer'.  Doesnt it imply that there is something odd or strange about your sexuality?


    Dont they chant with the mantra: "we're here, we're queer?"

    Maybe it's an ironic or sarcastic word, like when Aframs adopted the word "negro" for themselves.
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #27 - May 10, 2009, 11:17 PM
    Almost off topic, but since people are talking about "queerness"...
    As a heterosexual person, I find it improper to be labeled "straight". Especially since I have a twisted mind :S

    As a corollary, people often assume I am homosexual because I don't show an apparent sexual behavior that's aligned with the norm
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  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #28 - May 11, 2009, 04:30 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 10, 2009, 07:25 PM
    Quote from: allat on May 10, 2009, 04:16 AM
    Welcome Goldie to this side of the fence. As a queer person myself

    I'm not having a go because you are choosing the word to describe yourself (my reaction would be different if a heterosexual used that word) , but why choose the word 'queer'.  Doesnt it imply that there is something odd or strange about your sexuality?


    Gay, bi and trans people use "queer" to describe themselves sometimes to (a) reclaim that word, and more importantly (b) because many of us find that the gender binary of male/female or gay/straight is not enough to describe the fluidity of sexuality. I use the word queer at times because I don't always feel comfortable using the word "bisexual" and yet I can't say I'm 100% homosexual either, so that leaves me with the option of using "gay" or "lesbian" when I am just not that easily definable. Sometimes, I do use the word lesbian and sometimes the word bisexual depending on the discussion and to make a point. But I also consider myself "queer" because the larger world does consider people like me, bi, poly, androgynous to be "odd" or "strange". "Bisexual" usually implies an equal divide or a heterosexual with homo tendencies. I'm more of a homosexual with hetero tendencies. I don't think they've come up with a word for that yet - a word that doesn't denigrate the reality of me into neat little boxes, that is.
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  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #29 - May 11, 2009, 08:31 AM
    Quote from: allat on May 11, 2009, 04:30 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 10, 2009, 07:25 PM
    Quote from: allat on May 10, 2009, 04:16 AM
    Welcome Goldie to this side of the fence. As a queer person myself

    I'm not having a go because you are choosing the word to describe yourself (my reaction would be different if a heterosexual used that word) , but why choose the word 'queer'.  Doesnt it imply that there is something odd or strange about your sexuality?


    Gay, bi and trans people use "queer" to describe themselves sometimes to (a) reclaim that word, and more importantly (b) because many of us find that the gender binary of male/female or gay/straight is not enough to describe the fluidity of sexuality. I use the word queer at times because I don't always feel comfortable using the word "bisexual" and yet I can't say I'm 100% homosexual either, so that leaves me with the option of using "gay" or "lesbian" when I am just not that easily definable. Sometimes, I do use the word lesbian and sometimes the word bisexual depending on the discussion and to make a point. But I also consider myself "queer" because the larger world does consider people like me, bi, poly, androgynous to be "odd" or "strange". "Bisexual" usually implies an equal divide or a heterosexual with homo tendencies. I'm more of a homosexual with hetero tendencies. I don't think they've come up with a word for that yet - a word that doesn't denigrate the reality of me into neat little boxes, that is.
     Smiley


    how about unbiased sexuality  Smiley  Its not odd to me, if anything it makes that most common sense out of all sexualities - why should possession of a penis make a difference as to who you love?  Particularly in a world where you find 'feminine qualities' in men & vice versa.  As the sexual divisions are now blurred. the physical possession of something in your biological make-up should in theory make little difference.
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