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  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #60 - May 11, 2009, 12:10 PM
    I dare you to go one-to-one with me, Rayback, on whether Hell is a just punishment (as you claim) or an excessively cruel and unjust punishment.

    I dare you!
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #61 - May 11, 2009, 12:11 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 11, 2009, 11:59 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on May 11, 2009, 11:53 AM
    Do see you the lack of logic in the two bolded statements?

    How can they choose the wrong path if god has closed their mind thereby setting them on that road?

    Reply:

    God is not cruel as to close their mind BEFORE they have made that choice.

    You have the wrong God in mind kid.

    I have explained elsewhere that God gives you chance after chance before He finally kicks your ass.

    ORLY? I suppose you can back that with direct quotes from the Quran then. Go for it. Show us exactly where it clarifies this point.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #62 - May 11, 2009, 12:18 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 11, 2009, 12:10 PM
    I dare you to go one-to-one with me, Rayback, on whether Hell is a just punishment (as you claim) or an excessively cruel and unjust punishment.

    I dare you!

    Ya Hass, remember what Imam Shafi'i said, "I have never debated with a knowledgeable person but beaten him, and I have never debated with an ignorant person but been beaten by him." Grin
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #63 - May 11, 2009, 12:23 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 11, 2009, 11:59 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on May 11, 2009, 11:53 AM

    Do see you the lack of logic in the two bolded statements?

    How can they choose the wrong path if god has closed their mind thereby setting them on that road?



    Reply:

    You just dont want to reason do you.

    Your hatred for religion blinds you from using even simply logic.

    God is not cruel as to close their mind BEFORE they have made that choice.

    You have the wrong God in mind kid.

    I have explained elsewhere that God gives you chance after chance before He finally kicks your ass.

    Why cant you see that simply logic.

    He is a Just God.

    I cant put it any simpler than that for you.

    Don't you mean 'He is just a god'? You haven't told us how logic might be involved in 'belief'. Would you like to do that before bandying it about again in that careless way?
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #64 - May 11, 2009, 12:28 PM
    This is turning into a full blooded debate.

    I think we are hijacking Goldie's introduction topic.

    I am guilty of it too.  Sorry Golds.

    If anyone wants to talk about this issue, I think you should create a special thread for it.

    Its not nice to violate Goldie in this way.

    This is her thread.

    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #65 - May 11, 2009, 12:30 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on May 11, 2009, 12:04 PM
    Hey rayback, if I use bigger and bolder letters than you do does that mean I'm more likely to be right?


    No. And I told you why sometimes bold font is used.

    Or, was it you who told me?

    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #66 - May 11, 2009, 12:30 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 11, 2009, 12:28 PM


    This is her thread.




    You've been told many times that goldie is a guy, are you doing this deliberatly?
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #67 - May 11, 2009, 12:32 PM
    Quote from: awais on May 11, 2009, 12:18 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 11, 2009, 12:10 PM
    I dare you to go one-to-one with me, Rayback, on whether Hell is a just punishment (as you claim) or an excessively cruel and unjust punishment.

    I dare you!

    Ya Hass, remember what Imam Shafi'i said, "I have never debated with a knowledgeable person but beaten him, and I have never debated with an ignorant person but been beaten by him." Grin


    lol... great quote!
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #68 - May 11, 2009, 12:33 PM
    Rayback, if you accept Hassan's challenge we can create a separate thread especially for you two to debate in.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #69 - May 11, 2009, 12:33 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 11, 2009, 12:28 PM

    If anyone wants to talk about this issue, I think you should create a special thread for it.



    Your wish is my command, Rayback - I will start a thread - see you there Smiley
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #70 - May 11, 2009, 12:36 PM
    You are welcome Hassan.

    Thanks.

    Quote from: BerberElla on May 11, 2009, 12:30 PM
    You've been told many times that goldie is a guy, are you doing this deliberatly?


    Sorry my mistake.

    Yes, you have told me before. Thanks kid.

    I just cant get my head around the fact that a boy would give himself a girly name.


    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #71 - May 11, 2009, 12:37 PM
    I thought Goldie was the name of a macho hip hop artist. 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #72 - May 11, 2009, 12:38 PM
    Hey Rayback!

    Here is is - just for you:

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=5321.0

    Smiley
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #73 - May 11, 2009, 12:39 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 11, 2009, 12:36 PM


    I just cant get my head around the fact that a boy would give himself a girly name.





    What makes it a girls name?

    Please explain.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #74 - May 11, 2009, 12:42 PM
    The gold and the E.

     Wink
    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #75 - May 11, 2009, 12:43 PM
     Roll Eyes By far the stupidest thing you have said so far.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #76 - May 11, 2009, 12:45 PM
    That was just for you.
    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #77 - May 11, 2009, 12:50 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 11, 2009, 12:45 PM
    That was just for you.


    Well next time you want to do something for me, please don't.  Cheesy
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #78 - May 11, 2009, 01:03 PM
    I wouldnt do anything for a woman without her consent.

    But saying is not doing. Its just words.

    I think ladies know that.

    truthful person never fears debates: http://omrow.blogspot.com/
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #79 - May 12, 2009, 12:28 PM
    Quote from: rayback on May 11, 2009, 12:42 PM
    The gold and the E.

     Wink


     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    Just for that, here, have a gold star. And a pancake. It might actually make you smarter, if you wish hard enough and click your heels three times.
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #80 - May 20, 2009, 11:24 PM
    Quote from: allat on May 10, 2009, 04:16 AM
    Welcome Goldie to this side of the fence. As a queer person myself, I can relate to the feeling of wanting to have Islam be more accepting, more loving, more welcoming. I felt that way too... a long time ago. There's the heartbreak of facing the bitter truth that Islam (and religion in general) is all a man-made device, but there's also the exhilaration of freedom once you realize that you are free-er than you had been led to believe. I wish for you the best of energy in your journey ahead. I think you'll find this is just the beginning, not the end. Smiley

     far away hug

    It was heartbreaking Allat,  It was like losing a trusted friend.  Thank you for your kind words of support and I hope you are right. 

    I want to apologise to Nour and awais and any other convert to Islam that I insulted by saying that they were never really muslims.  People are now saying that to me so I know how stupid and infuriating it is.  Sorry. 
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #81 - May 21, 2009, 02:09 AM
    Thank you for your apology. You have my forgiveness and best wishes. May your path in life be filled with ease and happiness.

    far away hug
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: As-Salaam Alaikum ?
     Reply #82 - May 21, 2009, 08:12 AM
    Quote from: Goldie on May 20, 2009, 11:24 PM
    Quote from: allat on May 10, 2009, 04:16 AM
    Welcome Goldie to this side of the fence. As a queer person myself, I can relate to the feeling of wanting to have Islam be more accepting, more loving, more welcoming. I felt that way too... a long time ago. There's the heartbreak of facing the bitter truth that Islam (and religion in general) is all a man-made device, but there's also the exhilaration of freedom once you realize that you are free-er than you had been led to believe. I wish for you the best of energy in your journey ahead. I think you'll find this is just the beginning, not the end. Smiley

     far away hug

    It was heartbreaking Allat,  It was like losing a trusted friend.  Thank you for your kind words of support and I hope you are right. 

    I want to apologise to Nour and awais and any other convert to Islam that I insulted by saying that they were never really muslims.  People are now saying that to me so I know how stupid and infuriating it is.  Sorry. 


    I know what you mean about losing a trusted friend. I'm still dealing with that loss, so I can tell you that this is just the beginning of another struggle - but you have made a huge leap up - more than many others will be able to do. You are also in the unique position of being able to understand Muslims and why they say the things they do and so you are in a far better position to be able to relate and explain to them some of the fallacies in their thinking.
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