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  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #30 - June 02, 2009, 10:02 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on June 02, 2009, 09:14 AM
    Well if nobody voted for the government then I guess the same government would be in power, doing whatever they want. So the analogy works in that aspect.

    Also, if everybody ignored the murderer I guess that would let the murderer know he has done something wrong, but then he is still free to keep killing, so it works in that way too.

    What do you hate about the Green Party?

    I should've been clearer; I hate all the main parties.

    As for the Green Party, I'm not totally convinced that climate change is affected by us. They have some good policies though. I'll have to look in to them a bit more.
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  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #31 - June 02, 2009, 10:54 AM
    All the main parties have an environmental policy, and so does the Green Party. The environmental policy isn't the only policy the Green Party have and it they probably focus on it a lot less that you imagine.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #32 - June 02, 2009, 11:21 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on June 02, 2009, 10:54 AM
    All the main parties have an environmental policy, and so does the Green Party. The environmental policy isn't the only policy the Green Party have and it they probably focus on it a lot less that you imagine.

    I know but they focus on it more than other parties, although they want to provide free insulation so I have no qualms with that Wink
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  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #33 - June 02, 2009, 04:00 PM
    So your going to vote Green?  grin12
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  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #34 - June 02, 2009, 09:11 PM
    The Green Party of England and Wales has some scary policies.
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #35 - June 02, 2009, 09:33 PM
    Quote from: Frollo on June 02, 2009, 09:11 PM
    The Green Party of England and Wales has some scary policies.



    Yeah, the three strikes and you're out courgette law is particularly worrying.
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #36 - June 02, 2009, 09:43 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on June 02, 2009, 09:33 PM

    Yeah, the three strikes and you're out courgette law is particularly worrying.

    The only thing decent about them is their drug policy.
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #37 - June 02, 2009, 10:10 PM
    which is?
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  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #38 - June 02, 2009, 10:49 PM
    Quote from: Frollo on June 02, 2009, 09:11 PM
    The Green Party of England and Wales has some scary policies.


    Like?
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #39 - June 03, 2009, 12:22 AM
    Quote from: J4m3z on June 02, 2009, 10:49 PM
    Like?


    Can't answer for Frollo, but their animal welfare and farming policies are fucked-up. The primitivist hippie flakes want to ban GM food and animal testing. For the latter, I wonder how many GP members would be willing to forgo critical medical treatment that arose from animal testing?
    fuck you
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #40 - June 03, 2009, 12:29 AM
     It's questionable how much useful information has really come from animal testing - at the very least there ought to be a law ordering the sharing of any such research , rather than different drug companies replicating tests . Stem cell research and computer modelling should eliminate the need for animal tests
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #41 - June 03, 2009, 12:44 AM
    Quote from: aife on June 03, 2009, 12:29 AM
    It's questionable how much useful information has really come from animal testing - at the very least there ought to be a law ordering the sharing of any such research , rather than different drug companies replicating tests . Stem cell research and computer modelling should eliminate the need for animal tests


    So why do medical researchers ever use animal testing for anything? Because they're all evil people who get their rocks off torturing monkeys?
    fuck you
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #42 - June 03, 2009, 12:46 AM
    Hey, I'd be into that. evil
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  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #43 - June 03, 2009, 12:48 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on June 03, 2009, 12:46 AM
    Hey, I'd be into that. evil


    I'd gladly torture chimpanzees and perhaps other apes, but not monkeys-- monkeys are kinda cool.
    fuck you
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #44 - June 03, 2009, 01:17 AM
     The fact that people keep doing something doesn't prove that it's right . They could have any number of reasons - it's a living ,  they just don't know any better ,they're too egotistical to consider they might be wrong , pure logic has made them lose their humanity, their religious fundamentalists who'd rather inflict pain on a living creature than go against their ministers , they're competing with rival scientists doing similar experiments ...  And I'm sure a lot of them genuinely are motivated by a desire to help humanity , and yes , some really are just evil sadistic bastards

        The fact is the more we learn about other species , the more we find we have in common . Chimpanzees are genetically 99% identical to humans . And there is something wrong with someone who spends their live sawing chimps heads open , or injecting poison into cats . The FBI long ago identified cruelty to animals as a common factor amongst serial killers
       
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #45 - June 03, 2009, 01:28 AM
    Quote from: aife on June 03, 2009, 01:17 AM
    The fact that people keep doing something doesn't prove that it's right . They could have any number of reasons - it's a living ,  they just don't know any better ,they're too egotistical to consider they might be wrong , pure logic has made them lose their humanity, their religious fundamentalists who'd rather inflict pain on a living creature than go against their ministers , they're competing with rival scientists doing similar experiments ...  And I'm sure a lot of them genuinely are motivated by a desire to help humanity , and yes , some really are just evil sadistic bastards

        The fact is the more we learn about other species , the more we find we have in common . Chimpanzees are genetically 99% identical to humans . And there is something wrong with someone who spends their live sawing chimps heads open , or injecting poison into cats . The FBI long ago identified cruelty to animals as a common factor amongst serial killers
       


    You do realize that chimps are evil and a serious danger to humanity, don't you?
    fuck you
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #46 - June 03, 2009, 01:38 AM
     " chimps are evil and a serious danger to humanity "

        like I said , almost identical to humans ...
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #47 - June 03, 2009, 12:41 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 02, 2009, 10:10 PM
    which is?

    To decriminalise illicit drugs.

    Quote from: J4m3z on June 02, 2009, 10:49 PM
    Like?

     Their opposition to zoos, fur products, live exports, animals in circuses, genectic manipulation, Fox hunting, intensive farming and genectically modified foods. They support fair trade over free trade and want to make climate change a head issue (there is still no scientific consensus over what is coursing the increase in global temperature). They are opposed to the use of nuclear power plants which are the cheapest and most efficient method to get clean energy (this is pretty hypocritical, but this the green movement were talking about here). They have a basic income plan (one of their more worrying policies), they want to increase the already large income tax people in the UK pay and want to nationalise railways and other public utilities. They're pretty much a bunch of eco-fascists and misinformed reactionists.

    Quote from: aife on June 03, 2009, 01:17 AM
    The fact that people keep doing something doesn't prove that it's right . They could have any number of reasons - it's a living ,  they just don't know any better ,they're too egotistical to consider they might be wrong , pure logic has made them lose their humanity, their religious fundamentalists who'd rather inflict pain on a living creature than go against their ministers , they're competing with rival scientists doing similar experiments ...  And I'm sure a lot of them genuinely are motivated by a desire to help humanity , and yes , some really are just evil sadistic bastards

    The fact is the more we learn about other species , the more we find we have in common . Chimpanzees are genetically 99% identical to humans . And there is something wrong with someone who spends their live sawing chimps heads open , or injecting poison into cats . The FBI long ago identified cruelty to animals as a common factor amongst serial killers

    http://royalsociety.org/displaypagedoc.asp?id=11514

    Quote from: Q-Man on June 03, 2009, 01:28 AM
    You do realize that chimps are evil and a serious danger to humanity, don't you?

    Gorillas are also known to be National Socialists, this world would be better off without them.

  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #48 - June 03, 2009, 12:51 PM
    Quote from: Frollo on June 03, 2009, 12:41 PM
    To decriminalise illicit drugs.

    Brilliant idea, I have been harping on about this for so many years, at least one party can see the virtue in it..

    Quote
    Their opposition to zoos, fur products, live exports, animals in circuses, genectic manipulation, Fox hunting, intensive farming and genectically modified foods. They support fair trade over free trade and want to make climate change a head issue (there is still no scientific consensus over what is coursing the increase in global temperature). They are opposed to the use of nuclear power plants which are the cheapest and most efficient method to get clean energy (this is pretty hypocritical, but this the green movement were talking about here). They have a basic income plan (one of their more worrying policies), they want to increase the already large income tax people in the UK pay and want to nationalise railways and other public utilities. They're pretty much a bunch of eco-fascists and misinformed reactionists.

    I'm with you on this though
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  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #49 - June 03, 2009, 05:29 PM
    I thought basic income was a good thing
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #50 - June 03, 2009, 06:37 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on June 03, 2009, 05:29 PM
    I thought basic income was a good thing

    In what manner?
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #51 - June 03, 2009, 07:05 PM
    Quote from: Frollo on June 03, 2009, 06:37 PM
    In what manner?


    Well nobody would have an incentive to not work anymore in order to get unemployment benefit. Plus there would be no more fraudsters trying to claim unemployment benefit whilst working at the same time. Also, there will be enough so that people don't have to go out begging anymore.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #52 - June 03, 2009, 07:22 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on June 02, 2009, 04:00 PM
    So your going to vote Green?  grin12

    Doubt it, not too fond of certain policies.
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  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #53 - June 03, 2009, 08:34 PM
    Quote from: PeruvianSkies on June 03, 2009, 07:22 PM
    Doubt it, not too fond of certain policies.


     Cry
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  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #54 - June 03, 2009, 09:20 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on June 03, 2009, 07:05 PM
    Well nobody would have an incentive to not work anymore in order to get unemployment benefit. Plus there would be no more fraudsters trying to claim unemployment benefit whilst working at the same time. Also, there will be enough so that people don't have to go out begging anymore.

    Living off the fruits of someone elses labour without concent is neither moral or a necessity for a society to function. Anyway, the results will be similar to what we have today, junkies and alcoholics will waste the money on their addictions (I'm fine with this, but they would be wasting someone elses money) and why work when you have a basic income? I don't know the exact opinions of the green party, but in most cases a basic income is enough to live off. There are better methods to incentivise people to work, like unemployment benefit being below the minimal wage.
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #55 - June 03, 2009, 09:22 PM
    So you believe in completely free-trade laissez faire capitalism?
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  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #56 - June 03, 2009, 09:29 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on June 03, 2009, 09:22 PM
    So you believe in completely free-trade laissez faire capitalism?

    What the hell does this have to do with non-consensual welfare?
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #57 - June 03, 2009, 09:32 PM
    Quote from: J4m3z on June 03, 2009, 09:22 PM
    So you believe in completely free-trade laissez faire capitalism?

     Huh?  Do you only operate in extremes?
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  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #58 - June 04, 2009, 01:31 AM
    Quote from: Frollo on June 03, 2009, 09:20 PM
    Living off the fruits of someone elses labour without concent is neither moral or a necessity for a society to function.


    Only commenting on what he said.
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: BNP to benefit from "Expenses" Scandal
     Reply #59 - June 04, 2009, 01:32 AM
    Seriously, why be so petty?
    The unlived life is not worth examining.
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