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  • predestination
     OP - May 24, 2009, 10:06 AM
    predestination


    muslims themselves misunderstood about what is predestination god talking about

     

    to (MY) understanding of predestination is,  god  talking about human destination not SINGLE PERSON

    god created humans so he knows humans's brain  capability

    for example god knows in the biggining humans will have hard time finding food than humans will develop agriculture than humans will develop education than humans will build nation than humans will fight eachother than humans will develop weapon than humans will develop car than humans will develop plane than humans will go to moon than humans will travel  in space etc

    this is what god's already  knows before he made humans
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #1 - May 24, 2009, 10:22 AM
    No, there are hadiths that detail that allah knows every miniscule detail of the life of a baby when it is in it's mothers womb, even writing down in it's book of life whether the baby is destined for hell or heaven.

    This is predestination, this is not free will.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #2 - May 24, 2009, 10:26 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on May 24, 2009, 10:22 AM
    No, there are hadiths that detail that allah knows every miniscule detail of the life of a baby when it is in it's mothers womb, even writing down in it's book of life whether the baby is destined for hell or heaven.

    This is predestination, this is not free will.





    like i said muslims themselves misunderstood about what is predestination god talking about
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #3 - May 24, 2009, 10:38 AM
    Muslims themselves misunderstand a lot of things. Whos fault is that? Should not Allah as their creator and all knowing have foreseen the limited mental capacity of human beings and rather conveyed his message in clear cut words than talk in riddles (like he does in the Quran)?

    Btw, its nice to have muslims around, it makes for different type of discussions. Also, I'm assuming english is not your first language, because your grasp of it, seems to be similar to mine. Smiley
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #4 - May 24, 2009, 10:41 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on May 24, 2009, 10:22 AM
    No, there are hadiths that detail that allah knows every miniscule detail of the life of a baby when it is in it's mothers womb, even writing down in it's book of life whether the baby is destined for hell or heaven.

    This is predestination, this is not free will.


    In other words, the most merciful has already determined whether you're destined for hell or not, even before you're born. Seems like fair game to me.
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #5 - May 24, 2009, 10:59 AM
    Quote from: Balthier on May 24, 2009, 10:38 AM
    Muslims themselves misunderstand a lot of things. Whos fault is that? Should not Allah as their creator and all knowing have foreseen the limited mental capacity of human beings and rather conveyed his message in clear cut words than talk in riddles (like he does in the Quran)?




    god does not care about your understanding is correct or incorrect he just want us to be good person
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #6 - May 24, 2009, 11:05 AM
    Well you've said that before and you really didn't need a whole new thread to say it again.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #7 - May 24, 2009, 11:09 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 10:59 AM
    Quote from: Balthier on May 24, 2009, 10:38 AM
    Muslims themselves misunderstand a lot of things. Whos fault is that? Should not Allah as their creator and all knowing have foreseen the limited mental capacity of human beings and rather conveyed his message in clear cut words than talk in riddles (like he does in the Quran)?




    god does not care about your understanding is correct or incorrect he just want us to be good person


    Of course he cares, otherwise you would not have been told to for example pray in a spesific and ritual manner, or else. And he would not have tormented those who ate non halal food (because eating meat from animals who have not been tortured before death, would be that much crueler). etc. etc.

    God wants you to perfom all sorts of illogical and nonsensical rituals, just because.
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #8 - May 24, 2009, 11:23 AM
    Quote from: Balthier on May 24, 2009, 11:09 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 10:59 AM
    Quote from: Balthier on May 24, 2009, 10:38 AM
    Muslims themselves misunderstand a lot of things. Whos fault is that? Should not Allah as their creator and all knowing have foreseen the limited mental capacity of human beings and rather conveyed his message in clear cut words than talk in riddles (like he does in the Quran)?




    god does not care about your understanding is correct or incorrect he just want us to be good person


    Of course he cares, otherwise you would not have been told to for example pray in a spesific and ritual manner,


    or else.

    ritual pray are meditation for our own benefits


     
    Quote
    And he would not have tormented those who ate non halal food (because eating meat from animals who have not been tortured before death, would be that much crueler). etc. etc.



    do you kill animals without pain?
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #9 - May 24, 2009, 11:31 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 10:06 AM
    predestination


    muslims themselves misunderstood about what is predestination god talking about

     

    to (MY) understanding of predestination is,  god  talking about human destination not SINGLE PERSON

    god created humans so he knows humans's brain  capability

    for example god knows in the biggining humans will have hard time finding food than humans will develop agriculture than humans will develop education than humans will build nation than humans will fight eachother than humans will develop weapon than humans will develop car than humans will develop plane than humans will go to moon than humans will travel  in space etc

    this is what god's already  knows before he made humans



    kope, do you believe that your Allah is all-knowing and the creator of all?

    Because if your Allah is all-knowing then he knows exactly what you are going to do in your life, and how you are going to die, even before you exist. If he is the creator of all, then he creates you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do in your life. So he creates your life, and in effect creates you to do everything you will do in your life. This is the essential principle of destiny or 'qadr' if you like. I suggest you read about it.
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #10 - May 24, 2009, 11:40 AM
    Quote from: MrSilly on May 24, 2009, 11:31 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 10:06 AM
    predestination


    muslims themselves misunderstood about what is predestination god talking about

     

    to (MY) understanding of predestination is,  god  talking about human destination not SINGLE PERSON

    god created humans so he knows humans's brain  capability

    for example god knows in the biggining humans will have hard time finding food than humans will develop agriculture than humans will develop education than humans will build nation than humans will fight eachother than humans will develop weapon than humans will develop car than humans will develop plane than humans will go to moon than humans will travel  in space etc

    this is what god's already  knows before he made humans



    kope, do you believe that your Allah is all-knowing and the creator of all?

    Because if your Allah is all-knowing then he knows exactly what you are going to do in your life, and how you are going to die, even before you exist. If he is the creator of all, then he creates you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do in your life. So he creates your life, and in effect creates you to do everything you will do in your life. This is the essential principle of destiny or 'qadr' if you like. I suggest you read about it.

     Afro  Sadly Kope I ahve come to realise that you know much less about islam than us, yet you presist in arguing to us about it.  I suggest going back and reading your won scriptures first, then come back to us when you are ready.  Otherwise its futile, and is essence you only prepared to believe in your own version, and you are arguing with us about another creed i.e. one of your own making.
    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #11 - May 24, 2009, 11:44 AM
    Quote from: MrSilly on May 24, 2009, 11:31 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 10:06 AM
    predestination


    muslims themselves misunderstood about what is predestination god talking about

     

    to (MY) understanding of predestination is,  god  talking about human destination not SINGLE PERSON

    god created humans so he knows humans's brain  capability

    for example god knows in the biggining humans will have hard time finding food than humans will develop agriculture than humans will develop education than humans will build nation than humans will fight eachother than humans will develop weapon than humans will develop car than humans will develop plane than humans will go to moon than humans will travel  in space etc

    this is what god's already  knows before he made humans



    kope, do you believe that your Allah is all-knowing and the creator of all?

    Because if your Allah is all-knowing then he knows exactly what you are going to do in your life, and how you are going to die, even before you exist. If he is the creator of all, then he creates you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do in your life. So he creates your life, and in effect creates you to do everything you will do in your life. This is the essential principle of destiny or 'qadr' if you like. I suggest you read about it.



    allah knows all thing mean he have knowledge about all thing but he does not care to know about that i am right now eating or shiting
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #12 - May 24, 2009, 11:47 AM
    Quote from: kope
    Quote from: MrSilly
    kope, do you believe that your Allah is all-knowing and the creator of all?

    Because if your Allah is all-knowing then he knows exactly what you are going to do in your life, and how you are going to die, even before you exist. If he is the creator of all, then he creates you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do in your life. So he creates your life, and in effect creates you to do everything you will do in your life. This is the essential principle of destiny or 'qadr' if you like. I suggest you read about it.



    allah knows all thing mean he have knowledge about all thing but he does not care to know about that i am right now eating or shiting


    kope, so you now agree that your Allah does create you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do? So it's not just about "human capability".
    Am glad you agree with us now.
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #13 - May 24, 2009, 11:47 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 24, 2009, 11:40 AM
    Quote from: MrSilly on May 24, 2009, 11:31 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 10:06 AM
    predestination


    muslims themselves misunderstood about what is predestination god talking about

     

    to (MY) understanding of predestination is,  god  talking about human destination not SINGLE PERSON

    god created humans so he knows humans's brain  capability

    for example god knows in the biggining humans will have hard time finding food than humans will develop agriculture than humans will develop education than humans will build nation than humans will fight eachother than humans will develop weapon than humans will develop car than humans will develop plane than humans will go to moon than humans will travel  in space etc

    this is what god's already  knows before he made humans



    kope, do you believe that your Allah is all-knowing and the creator of all?

    Because if your Allah is all-knowing then he knows exactly what you are going to do in your life, and how you are going to die, even before you exist. If he is the creator of all, then he creates you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do in your life. So he creates your life, and in effect creates you to do everything you will do in your life. This is the essential principle of destiny or 'qadr' if you like. I suggest you read about it.

     Afro  Sadly Kope I ahve come to realise that you know much less about islam than us, yet you presist in arguing to us about it.  I suggest going back and reading your won scriptures first, then come back to us when you are ready.  Otherwise its futile, and is essence you only prepared to believe in your own version, and you are arguing with us about another creed i.e. one of your own making.



    allah like those who use their own brain instead mullah dance
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #14 - May 24, 2009, 11:50 AM
    Quote from: MrSilly on May 24, 2009, 11:47 AM
    Quote from: kope
    Quote from: MrSilly
    kope, do you believe that your Allah is all-knowing and the creator of all?

    Because if your Allah is all-knowing then he knows exactly what you are going to do in your life, and how you are going to die, even before you exist. If he is the creator of all, then he creates you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do in your life. So he creates your life, and in effect creates you to do everything you will do in your life. This is the essential principle of destiny or 'qadr' if you like. I suggest you read about it.



    allah knows all thing mean he have knowledge about all thing but he does not care to know about that i am right now eating or shiting


    kope, so you now agree that your Allah does create you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do? So it's not just about "human capability".
    Am glad you agree with us now.


    allah created our brain and he know capability of our brain
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #15 - May 24, 2009, 11:52 AM
    What did allah make our brains from?
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #16 - May 24, 2009, 11:56 AM
    Quote from: Glen on May 24, 2009, 11:52 AM
    What did allah make our brains from?


    dust and water
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #17 - May 24, 2009, 12:00 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 11:56 AM
    Quote from: Glen on May 24, 2009, 11:52 AM
    What did allah make our brains from?


    dust and water


    Ok cheers for that. I now know to never respond to your posts again.  Afro lol
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #18 - May 24, 2009, 12:02 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 11:47 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 24, 2009, 11:40 AM
    Afro  Sadly Kope I have come to realise that you know much less about islam than us, yet you presist in arguing to us about it.  I suggest going back and reading your won scriptures first, then come back to us when you are ready.  Otherwise its futile, and is essence you only prepared to believe in your own version, and you are arguing with us about another creed i.e. one of your own making.

    allah like those who use their own brain instead mullah dance

    None of us asked Mullah.  If you want to understand Islam, read the Quran & Hadith, so you will know what you are supposed to believe.
    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #19 - May 24, 2009, 12:03 PM
    Quote from: Glen on May 24, 2009, 12:00 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 11:56 AM
    Quote from: Glen on May 24, 2009, 11:52 AM
    What did allah make our brains from?


    dust and water


    Ok cheers for that. I now know to never respond to your posts again.  Afro lol

    He's right?  Thats what the Quran & Bible say anyway.
    My Book     news002       
    My Blog  pccoffee
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #20 - May 24, 2009, 12:08 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 24, 2009, 12:02 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 11:47 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 24, 2009, 11:40 AM
    Afro  Sadly Kope I have come to realise that you know much less about islam than us, yet you presist in arguing to us about it.  I suggest going back and reading your won scriptures first, then come back to us when you are ready.  Otherwise its futile, and is essence you only prepared to believe in your own version, and you are arguing with us about another creed i.e. one of your own making.

    allah like those who use their own brain instead mullah dance

    None of us asked Mullah.  If you want to understand Islam, read the Quran & Hadith, so you will know what you are supposed to believe.


    what i am telling you is (MY) personal understanding of islam, even my family member dont agree
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #21 - May 24, 2009, 12:13 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 11:50 AM
    Quote from: MrSilly on May 24, 2009, 11:47 AM
    Quote from: kope
    Quote from: MrSilly
    kope, do you believe that your Allah is all-knowing and the creator of all?

    Because if your Allah is all-knowing then he knows exactly what you are going to do in your life, and how you are going to die, even before you exist. If he is the creator of all, then he creates you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do in your life. So he creates your life, and in effect creates you to do everything you will do in your life. This is the essential principle of destiny or 'qadr' if you like. I suggest you read about it.



    allah knows all thing mean he have knowledge about all thing but he does not care to know about that i am right now eating or shiting


    kope, so you now agree that your Allah does create you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do? So it's not just about "human capability".
    Am glad you agree with us now.


    allah created our brain and he know capability of our brain


    But if he is all-knowing and the creator of all, he created us knowing everything we are going do to. This is qadr.

    If you are saying that your Allah only knows the capability of our brain, but not what we will do in our lives using this brain, then you are saying that your Allah is not all-knowing. Congrats, you've just denied Allah  Afro
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #22 - May 24, 2009, 12:19 PM
    Quote from: MrSilly on May 24, 2009, 12:13 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 11:50 AM
    Quote from: MrSilly on May 24, 2009, 11:47 AM
    Quote from: kope
    Quote from: MrSilly
    kope, do you believe that your Allah is all-knowing and the creator of all?

    Because if your Allah is all-knowing then he knows exactly what you are going to do in your life, and how you are going to die, even before you exist. If he is the creator of all, then he creates you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do in your life. So he creates your life, and in effect creates you to do everything you will do in your life. This is the essential principle of destiny or 'qadr' if you like. I suggest you read about it.



    allah knows all thing mean he have knowledge about all thing but he does not care to know about that i am right now eating or shiting


    kope, so you now agree that your Allah does create you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do? So it's not just about "human capability".
    Am glad you agree with us now.


    allah created our brain and he know capability of our brain


    But if he is all-knowing and the creator of all, he created us knowing everything we are going do to. This is qadr.

    If you are saying that your Allah only knows the capability of our brain, but not what we will do in our lives using this brain, then you are saying that your Allah is not all-knowing. Congrats, you've just denied Allah  Afro



    i dont deny god

    you want to make god illogical so you can deny god
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #23 - May 24, 2009, 12:25 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 24, 2009, 12:03 PM
    Quote from: Glen on May 24, 2009, 12:00 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 11:56 AM
    Quote from: Glen on May 24, 2009, 11:52 AM
    What did allah make our brains from?


    dust and water


    Ok cheers for that. I now know to never respond to your posts again.  Afro lol

    He's right?  Thats what the Quran & Bible say anyway.


    and science
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #24 - May 24, 2009, 12:34 PM
    what did Allah create dust and water from?
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #25 - May 24, 2009, 12:35 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 12:19 PM
    Quote from: MrSilly on May 24, 2009, 12:13 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 11:50 AM
    Quote from: MrSilly on May 24, 2009, 11:47 AM
    Quote from: kope
    Quote from: MrSilly
    kope, do you believe that your Allah is all-knowing and the creator of all?

    Because if your Allah is all-knowing then he knows exactly what you are going to do in your life, and how you are going to die, even before you exist. If he is the creator of all, then he creates you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do in your life. So he creates your life, and in effect creates you to do everything you will do in your life. This is the essential principle of destiny or 'qadr' if you like. I suggest you read about it.



    allah knows all thing mean he have knowledge about all thing but he does not care to know about that i am right now eating or shiting


    kope, so you now agree that your Allah does create you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do? So it's not just about "human capability".
    Am glad you agree with us now.


    allah created our brain and he know capability of our brain


    But if he is all-knowing and the creator of all, he created us knowing everything we are going do to. This is qadr.

    If you are saying that your Allah only knows the capability of our brain, but not what we will do in our lives using this brain, then you are saying that your Allah is not all-knowing. Congrats, you've just denied Allah  Afro



    i dont deny god

    you want to make god illogical so you can deny god


    No, your Allah is illogical, and that is why both you and me deny him. You say your Allah is not all-knowing. That means your have denied Allah as described in the Quran.
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #26 - May 24, 2009, 12:47 PM
    Quote from: Glen on May 24, 2009, 12:34 PM
    what did Allah create dust and water from?


    i have no knowledge about that
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #27 - May 24, 2009, 12:48 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 10:06 AM
    predestination


    muslims themselves misunderstood about what is predestination god talking about

     

    to (MY) understanding of predestination is,  god  talking about human destination not SINGLE PERSON

    god created humans so he knows humans's brain  capability

    for example god knows in the biggining humans will have hard time finding food than humans will develop agriculture than humans will develop education than humans will build nation than humans will fight eachother than humans will develop weapon than humans will develop car than humans will develop plane than humans will go to moon than humans will travel  in space etc

    this is what god's already  knows before he made humans



    I don't understand what you are saying here?

    Are you saying God doesn't know every tiny detail of every single persons life - what they will do and what will happen before it happens?

    If you are, then you are denying a basic tenet of Islam.

  • Re: predestination
     Reply #28 - May 24, 2009, 12:49 PM
    Quote from: MrSilly on May 24, 2009, 12:35 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 12:19 PM
    Quote from: MrSilly on May 24, 2009, 12:13 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 11:50 AM
    Quote from: MrSilly on May 24, 2009, 11:47 AM
    Quote from: kope
    Quote from: MrSilly
    kope, do you believe that your Allah is all-knowing and the creator of all?

    Because if your Allah is all-knowing then he knows exactly what you are going to do in your life, and how you are going to die, even before you exist. If he is the creator of all, then he creates you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do in your life. So he creates your life, and in effect creates you to do everything you will do in your life. This is the essential principle of destiny or 'qadr' if you like. I suggest you read about it.



    allah knows all thing mean he have knowledge about all thing but he does not care to know about that i am right now eating or shiting


    kope, so you now agree that your Allah does create you in the knowledge of everything you are going to do? So it's not just about "human capability".
    Am glad you agree with us now.


    allah created our brain and he know capability of our brain


    But if he is all-knowing and the creator of all, he created us knowing everything we are going do to. This is qadr.

    If you are saying that your Allah only knows the capability of our brain, but not what we will do in our lives using this brain, then you are saying that your Allah is not all-knowing. Congrats, you've just denied Allah  Afro



    i dont deny god

    you want to make god illogical so you can deny god


    No, your Allah is illogical, and that is why both you and me deny him. You say your Allah is not all-knowing. That means your have denied Allah as described in the Quran.


    let god be our judge
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: predestination
     Reply #29 - May 24, 2009, 12:52 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 24, 2009, 12:48 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 24, 2009, 10:06 AM
    predestination


    muslims themselves misunderstood about what is predestination god talking about

     

    to (MY) understanding of predestination is,  god  talking about human destination not SINGLE PERSON

    god created humans so he knows humans's brain  capability

    for example god knows in the biggining humans will have hard time finding food than humans will develop agriculture than humans will develop education than humans will build nation than humans will fight eachother than humans will develop weapon than humans will develop car than humans will develop plane than humans will go to moon than humans will travel  in space etc

    this is what god's already  knows before he made humans



    I don't understand what you are saying here?

    Are you saying God doesn't know every tiny detail of every single persons life - what they will do and what will happen before it happens?

    If you are, then you are denying a basic tenet of Islam.



    why would god want to know how many time i have shit in my life time?
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
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