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  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #30 - May 30, 2009, 12:53 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 29, 2009, 01:18 PM
    I said recently to "History" that:


    It has made me think about the question of being respectful towards another persons faith. In general I have always been very respectful towards other people's religion. But since leaving Islam I have started saying things - like "Islam (or any other religion) is bullshit!" - that I would not have said before.





    before you respected other people because god was your guide
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #31 - May 30, 2009, 03:16 AM
    Quote from: Iggy on May 29, 2009, 08:20 PM
    Quote from: Rashna on May 29, 2009, 08:01 PM
    I'm not sure I should really credit Judaism for those.

    Yeah, this is what I was having trouble accepting. It seemed to me that you were saying that they were brilliant and innovative because of Judaism.

    Have you seen Talmud study? Surely that contributes to some genius, praising and prizing scholars in the community above all others.
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #32 - May 30, 2009, 07:21 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 30, 2009, 12:53 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 29, 2009, 01:18 PM
    I said recently to "History" that:


    It has made me think about the question of being respectful towards another persons faith. In general I have always been very respectful towards other people's religion. But since leaving Islam I have started saying things - like "Islam (or any other religion) is bullshit!" - that I would not have said before.





    before you respected other people because god was your guide


    Actually I think the saying: "He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones" was my guide Wink

    Now that I left my glass house I feel like throwing stones. But I still shouldn't - simply because it achieves nothing burt hurting people's feelings to no end.
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #33 - May 30, 2009, 07:50 AM
    I think it's a bit late in the day around here for respecting others faiths isn't it? Every day there's another dozen reference's to Mo being a paedo, most of it gratuitous in full knowledge that it upsets people (it's like the best hand ever for an anti) - i think that's a lot more offensive than calling a belief 'b/s' (whether or not he was, or even existed, whether or not religion is b/s - one of which I believe to be very true.)
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #34 - May 30, 2009, 08:11 AM
    Its ok Hassan, most Jews I know also think Judaism is bullshit.

    I mean, c'mon! There is a major holiday devoted to when god kills the BABIES in Egypt. Seriously. This is celebrated. Infanticide.
    Moses is the like the biggest A**hole in history (mythology history that is).
    If I ever met Moses, I would punch him in his fat little face. That's right, I said it, I'd punch Moses in his big stupid nose. Ya know who else can suck it? That whinney bald little cry baby Elisha, that's who.
    And the world would be a better place if Ibrahim's balls were cut off early in life, to spare the world his hell spawn children's death cults. Even if YWH or whatever his name is were real I would still give him the finger and tell him to piss off. Fortunetly, he is probably only an Alien that a bunch of ignorant bronze age nomads mistook for a god.



    Now how's that for offensive  Afro


    When you really examine the religions from ol, they are obviously bullshit, any thinking person recognizes this. Some people like to play along with the bullshit for funz, for tradition, or whatever....
    Its the people who dont recognize it as bullshit that scare me.

    Religion can be fun, so long as everyone knows its just for pretend.
    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #35 - May 30, 2009, 08:53 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 30, 2009, 12:53 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 29, 2009, 01:18 PM
    It has made me think about the question of being respectful towards another persons faith. In general I have always been very respectful towards other people's religion. But since leaving Islam I have started saying things - like "Islam (or any other religion) is bullshit!" - that I would not have said before.

    before you respected other people because god was your guide

    Yeah like muslims are respectful to Jews.  idiot2

    Also talking about God helping you to respect others, have you read your blog recently  whistling2
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  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #36 - May 30, 2009, 09:48 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 30, 2009, 07:21 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 30, 2009, 12:53 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 29, 2009, 01:18 PM
    I said recently to "History" that:


    It has made me think about the question of being respectful towards another persons faith. In general I have always been very respectful towards other people's religion. But since leaving Islam I have started saying things - like "Islam (or any other religion) is bullshit!" - that I would not have said before.





    before you respected other people because god was your guide


    Actually I think the saying: "He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones" was my guide Wink

    Now that I left my glass house I feel like throwing stones. But I still shouldn't - simply because it achieves nothing burt hurting people's feelings to no end.



    you are right atheists dont lives in a glass house so "if it feel good do it"
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #37 - May 30, 2009, 09:51 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 30, 2009, 08:53 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 30, 2009, 12:53 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 29, 2009, 01:18 PM
    It has made me think about the question of being respectful towards another persons faith. In general I have always been very respectful towards other people's religion. But since leaving Islam I have started saying things - like "Islam (or any other religion) is bullshit!" - that I would not have said before.

    before you respected other people because god was your guide

    Yeah like muslims are respectful to Jews.  idiot2

    Also talking about God helping you to respect others, have you read your blog recently  whistling2



    whats wrong with my blog?
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #38 - May 30, 2009, 11:44 AM
    Quote from: Rashna on May 29, 2009, 08:01 PM

    But anyway, Judaism as a faith as its practiced currently is pretty decent. They've managed to explain away the unpleasant stuff in their theology


    Hmm interesting homogenous analysis of a very very broad group of people.

    I guess you've never met any Haredi Jews.
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #39 - May 30, 2009, 11:54 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 30, 2009, 09:51 AM
    whats wrong with my blog?

    Do you think it is respectful towards people, women, those that live in the west, agnostics etc etc?  My point is that with religion, it makes you disrespectful (you have a God given right) towards anybody else without your particular school of thought.  Yet you cry wolf, whenever somebody does it to you.
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  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #40 - May 30, 2009, 12:59 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 30, 2009, 12:53 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 29, 2009, 01:18 PM
    I said recently to "History" that:


    It has made me think about the question of being respectful towards another persons faith. In general I have always been very respectful towards other people's religion. But since leaving Islam I have started saying things - like "Islam (or any other religion) is bullshit!" - that I would not have said before.





    before you respected other people because god was your guide

    Since when is warfare, mass slaughter, banditry, subjugation, forced conversion (I could go on), in the name of a god, respecting them?
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #41 - May 30, 2009, 01:02 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 30, 2009, 09:51 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 30, 2009, 08:53 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 30, 2009, 12:53 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 29, 2009, 01:18 PM
    It has made me think about the question of being respectful towards another persons faith. In general I have always been very respectful towards other people's religion. But since leaving Islam I have started saying things - like "Islam (or any other religion) is bullshit!" - that I would not have said before.

    before you respected other people because god was your guide

    Yeah like muslims are respectful to Jews.  idiot2

    Also talking about God helping you to respect others, have you read your blog recently  whistling2



    whats wrong with my blog?

     Well it's bullshit of course and facile bullshit at that. But I don't disrespect you for putting in all that effort, however misguided.
    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #42 - May 30, 2009, 01:36 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 29, 2009, 01:18 PM
    I said recently to "History" that:

    "I like Jews, but I think Judaism is bullshit."

    I have a feeling that History is quite upset with me for saying that as I have apologised on the thread and again in a PM - neither of which he has responded to.

    Good Shabbos, Hassan.
    I'm not upset.
    (It's not in my nature to be bothered by such things).
    I was merely offering gentle reproof to a friend.  Recall:

    תֵּן לְחָכָם, וְיֶחְכַּם-עוֹד;    הוֹדַע לְצַדִּיק, וְיוֹסֶף לֶקַח.
    Reprove a wise man, and he will be yet wiser; teach a righteous man, and he will increase in learning.
    --Mishlei 9:9

    I am just a rather busy person, between work, family, and community--and I mean well but can spread myself around only so much.  I;m sorry if this caused you any distress.

    Off to services.

    Respectfully,
    History
    "You shall love your fellow as yourself."--Vayikrah 19:18

    "Justice, justice shall you pursue"--Devarim 16:20
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #43 - May 30, 2009, 01:58 PM
    Gut Shabbes.

    So I take it you're not of the opinion that using the computer on Shabbat is not verboten. How Shomer Shabbos are ye?
    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #44 - May 30, 2009, 02:01 PM
    I choose not to respect people who believe in heaven and hell, and tell me that I am going to burn in the latter because their brains dont appear to be functioning correctly.

    I will respect people who believe in god, so long as they show respect to me as an Atheist first, dont call me insults, and dont try to influence me into joining their cult or following their beliefs in anyway whatsoever ....



    So I ended up learning the hard and long way that it is not possible for me to respect a single religious person nor their dysfunctional brains.
    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #45 - May 30, 2009, 02:03 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 30, 2009, 11:54 AM
    Quote from: kope on May 30, 2009, 09:51 AM
    whats wrong with my blog?

    Do you think it is respectful towards people, women, those that live in the west, agnostics etc etc?  My point is that with religion, it makes you disrespectful (you have a God given right) towards anybody else without your particular school of thought.  Yet you cry wolf, whenever somebody does it to you.


    my blog is nothing more than attempt to save western civilization from themselve
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #46 - May 30, 2009, 02:05 PM
    Also, having glanced through some of the other posts, it is about
    (1) respecting another human being however you may disagree with them.
    (2) loving other's as your self--Vayikrah 19:18 ; thinking of others and not just yourself (i.e. the Golden Rule)
    (3) do no harm

    We share this world together, and our purpose is to make it pleasant and good for as many others as possible.
    We will find innumerable people we disagree with.  How we can live peacibly together is by respecting the other person (inclusive of their beliefs).  One can disagree without causing hurt feelings or anger, simply be thinking of the other before oneself.  One also need not (and should not) always voice one's own opinion if it may cause another unnecessary hurt.

    There is an example of this from Talmud, again demonstrating the difference between the Letter of the Law (Torah) and the Spirit of the Law as described between the Schools of Rabbi Shammai and Rabbi Hillel (1st century BCE):

    The schools of Hillel and Shammai are famous for their disputes in Jewish law. One of these concerned whether one should tell a bride on her wedding day that she is beautiful even if this is not true. The school of Shammai held that in this situation it would be wrong to lie. The school of Hillel held that a bride is always beautiful on her wedding day. (Talmud, Ketubot 16b-17a) The school of Hillel won the dispute. Indeed, Jewish law today almost always agrees with the school of Hillel. The Talmud (Eruvin 13b) explains why:  

    A heavenly voice declared: ?The words of both schools are the words of the living God, but the law follows the rulings of the school of Hillel.?
    So why does the law follow the rulings of the school of Hillel? The Talmud explains that the disciples of Hillel were gentle and modest, and studied both their own opinions and the opinions of the other school, and humbly mentioned the words of the other school before their own.

    Good Shabbos.

    Respectfully,
    History
    "You shall love your fellow as yourself."--Vayikrah 19:18

    "Justice, justice shall you pursue"--Devarim 16:20
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #47 - May 30, 2009, 02:06 PM
    Quote from: sojournerlumus on May 30, 2009, 12:59 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 30, 2009, 12:53 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 29, 2009, 01:18 PM
    I said recently to "History" that:


    It has made me think about the question of being respectful towards another persons faith. In general I have always been very respectful towards other people's religion. But since leaving Islam I have started saying things - like "Islam (or any other religion) is bullshit!" - that I would not have said before.





    before you respected other people because god was your guide

    Since when is warfare, mass slaughter, banditry, subjugation, forced conversion (I could go on), in the name of a god, respecting them?



    if you like to live in peace you should respect other people believes regardles of your view about them
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #48 - May 30, 2009, 02:12 PM
    Quote
    f you like to live in peace you should respect other people believes regardles of your view about them


    Poppycock.  You should respect other people, but their beliefs are fair game.  An ideology has to earn respect, not demand it, and if my view of Islam or any other ideology is a dim one, there is no reason why I shouldn't voice it.  Any one who is offended - tough.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #49 - May 30, 2009, 02:21 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on May 30, 2009, 02:12 PM
    Quote
    f you like to live in peace you should respect other people believes regardles of your view about them


    Poppycock.  You should respect other people, but their beliefs are fair game.  An ideology has to earn respect, not demand it, and if my view of Islam or any other ideology is a dim one, there is no reason why I shouldn't voice it.  Any one who is offended - tough.



    if every body believe like you express above, there will be no peace between believers and atheists
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #50 - May 30, 2009, 02:33 PM
    Atheists have had centuries of people disrepecting and persecuting their beliefs.  Religious people will just have to learn to live with the fact that non-believers see your pet sky fairy as deserving of as much respect as Santa Claus, or the Tooth Fairy.

    Once you've finally grasped that, we can all live in peace, Kope. 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #51 - May 30, 2009, 02:45 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on May 30, 2009, 02:33 PM
    Atheists have had centuries of people disrepecting and persecuting their beliefs.  Religious people will just have to learn to live with the fact that non-believers see your pet sky fairy as deserving of as much respect as Santa Claus, or the Tooth Fairy.

    Once you've finally grasped that, we can all live in peace, Kope. 



    i start a new thread about coming civil war between believers and atheists
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #52 - May 30, 2009, 02:49 PM
    Civil war because atheists don't respect your imaginary friend?  Grow up, FFS.  Nobody would threaten civil war because somebody doesn't share their taste in food or music or whatever  - your subjective taste in sky fairies is no more deserving of respect than your subjective taste in anything else. 

    The amount of special pleading religious people engage in is obviously a desparate attempt to deflect critical analysis of something that they know they cannot defend.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #53 - May 30, 2009, 02:57 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 30, 2009, 02:06 PM
    Quote from: sojournerlumus on May 30, 2009, 12:59 PM
    Quote from: kope on May 30, 2009, 12:53 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on May 29, 2009, 01:18 PM
    I said recently to "History" that:


    It has made me think about the question of being respectful towards another persons faith. In general I have always been very respectful towards other people's religion. But since leaving Islam I have started saying things - like "Islam (or any other religion) is bullshit!" - that I would not have said before.





    before you respected other people because god was your guide

    Since when is warfare, mass slaughter, banditry, subjugation, forced conversion (I could go on), in the name of a god, respecting them?



    if you like to live in peace you should respect other people believes regardles of your view about them


    I wonder if this is what they teach at Bradford University on their 'Peace Studies' degree ...

    If you want peace, then respect Islam .... OR ELSE  040

    Belief systems do not in any way deserve to command the respect of others, which is exactly what Islam's approach is today. Respect has to be earned by everyone, and seriously, no religion or belief system has yet done anything to earn my respect.

    Blowing things up out of ignorant anger wont work either.
    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #54 - May 30, 2009, 03:11 PM
    Quote from: awais on May 30, 2009, 01:58 PM
    Gut Shabbes.

    So I take it you're not of the opinion that using the computer on Shabbat is not verboten. How Shomer Shabbos are ye?

     Cheesy
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  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #55 - May 30, 2009, 03:21 PM
    Quote from: History on May 30, 2009, 02:05 PM
    Also, having glanced through some of the other posts, it is about
    (1) respecting another human being however you may disagree with them.
    (2) loving other's as your self--Vayikrah 19:18 ; thinking of others and not just yourself (i.e. the Golden Rule)
    (3) do no harm

    We share this world together, and our purpose is to make it pleasant and good for as many others as possible.
    We will find innumerable people we disagree with.  How we can live peacibly together is by respecting the other person (inclusive of their beliefs).  One can disagree without causing hurt feelings or anger, simply be thinking of the other before oneself.  One also need not (and should not) always voice one's own opinion if it may cause another unnecessary hurt.

    So do we apply these principles Nazism and say it was a good school of thought then  Huh? 

    Or do we pick & choose which school of thought we apply these principles of respect to?  If so how do we choose them?

    I can attempt to answer the last question for you, but won't out of respect.
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  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #56 - May 30, 2009, 03:25 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 30, 2009, 03:21 PM
    Quote from: History on May 30, 2009, 02:05 PM
    One can disagree without causing hurt feelings or anger, simply be thinking of the other before oneself.  One also need not (and should not) always voice one's own opinion if it may cause another unnecessary hurt.


    So do we apply these principles Nazism and say it was a good school of thought then  Huh? 

    Or do we pick & choose which school of thought we apply these principles of respect to?  If so how do we choose them?


    I think we can safely assume - 'unless one is being led to the gas chamber' whistling2
    Ha Ha.
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #57 - May 30, 2009, 03:28 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on May 30, 2009, 03:25 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on May 30, 2009, 03:21 PM
    Quote from: History on May 30, 2009, 02:05 PM
    One can disagree without causing hurt feelings or anger, simply be thinking of the other before oneself.  One also need not (and should not) always voice one's own opinion if it may cause another unnecessary hurt.


    So do we apply these principles Nazism and say it was a good school of thought then  Huh? 

    Or do we pick & choose which school of thought we apply these principles of respect to?  If so how do we choose them?


    I think we can safely assume - 'unless one is being led to the gas chamber' whistling2

    Or jumping out of the World Trade centre on September 11th
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  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #58 - May 30, 2009, 03:29 PM
    I respect the people, not the faith.  It's hard sometimes because many believers think that my dimsissal of their faith shows a lack of respect for them, it doesn't.  I have no lack of respect for people who need to cling to hope to survive.  I honestly don't blame them but I am too far gone to cling like that even if life does seem emptier sometimes, more futile.

    I really do empathise.

    However I wouldn't be me if I didn't voice my opinions, I just wouldn't be rude about it.

    Take my best friend, she is a pagan, believes in witchcraft and that spells work. Believes in the goddess and her triple aspect and her favourite novel is mists of avalon lol.

    I love her quirky mishmash of insane beliefs, I don't believe and she knows I don't believe, but she wouldn't ever say that I show disrespect to her over them.

    The thing about internet communication is you lose the personal factor that would perhaps motivate you to be more careful in how you voiced your opinion.

    I am much harsher online, especially if I see one believer, who believes in pretty similar things, attacking other believers for believing something else, that annoys me no end.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Respecting People's faith
     Reply #59 - May 30, 2009, 03:31 PM
    Quote from: jack Torrance
    I think we can safely assume - 'unless one is being led to the gas chamber'


    It'd be a bit feckin' late to start disrepecting them at that stage, wouldn't it?   Wink

    Nip it in the bud while they're still huffing and puffing and threatening civil war on Internet forums, IMO.
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
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