A Year To Live

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A Year To Live
OP - June 03, 2009, 03:41 PM

Just wondering about this cheery thought having read about someone who planned their own death - how would you spend your last year alive if you could plan it? Besides telling those you love that you love them and all that, and tidying up your affairs (remember, family members will be scouring your computer ) - would you go on as normal, or radically change your status quo? I think I'd finish off the projects I was working on, say goodbye, then probably move to the wilderness and meditate until I topple over.

Getting blitzed, having sex and travelling seem to be a very popular choice, personally I think either of those things would be pointless.

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Re: A Year To Live
Reply #1 - June 03, 2009, 06:20 PM

I'd go on a crime spree, both for fun and to finance:

1. My mother after I'm gone, any left over from that...

2. My decadence spree, including the sex, drugs, traveling and stuff, any left over from that...

3. Donations to various organizations, causes, charities and/or individuals.

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Re: A Year To Live
Reply #2 - June 03, 2009, 07:53 PM

Quote from: Q-Man on June 03, 2009, 06:20 PM
I'd go on a crime spree, both for fun and to finance:

1. My mother after I'm gone, any left over from that...

2. My decadence spree, including the sex, drugs, traveling and stuff, any left over from that...

3. Donations to various organizations, causes, charities and/or individuals.

Leaving the donations after you are gone is a bit moot don't you think? Selfish even. But at least, you should be sending the donations to the people you committed your crimes against.

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Re: A Year To Live
Reply #3 - June 03, 2009, 08:27 PM

Quote from: Baal on June 03, 2009, 07:53 PM
Leaving the donations after you are gone is a bit moot don't you think? Selfish even.

So? If you have a year to live you don't have to do what I did.

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But at least, you should be sending the donations to the people you committed your crimes against.

Suggestion noted, suggestion rejected.

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Re: A Year To Live
Reply #4 - June 03, 2009, 08:55 PM

Quote from: Baal on June 03, 2009, 07:53 PM
Leaving the donations after you are gone is a bit moot don't you think? Selfish even. But at least, you should be sending the donations to the people you committed your crimes against.

He's a man without a conscience. Do you think he cares? Its people like him that make me realise why religion was invented.

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Re: A Year To Live
Reply #5 - June 03, 2009, 09:31 PM

Quote from: IsLame on June 03, 2009, 08:55 PM
He's a man without a conscience. Do you think he cares? Its people like him that make me realise why religion was invented.

Pretty sure that counts as a personal attack. Don't worry, though, I won't rat you out to the staff. However, I did want to alert you to the presence of the "ignore" feature-- if my opinions and postings offend your delicate, pacifist sensibilities so, then I suggest you make use of it. After all, we wouldn't want you psychologically harmed by the evil postings of the big, bad, sociopathic...um, anti-social, sorry...American.

For the record, I believe there are some wealthy, heartless bastards who definitely deserve to be relieved of some (if not all) of their wealth. But if you thought I meant robbing working-class people, that would be just fine, although I'd think it even more amusing if you thought I meant mugging and raping little old ladies and crucifying cats.

You are quite the smug and sanctimonious person, IsLame. It may be people like me that religion was invented for, but it's people like you, who vilify anyone and anything they disagree with, that religious leadership was made for. You'd make quite the fine preacher, encouraging love while chiding the sinners for their heterodox beliefs.

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Re: A Year To Live
Reply #6 - June 03, 2009, 09:52 PM

Sorry I didnt pat you on the back and call you a hero for wanting to go on "a crime spree, both for fun and .." How pathetic. Glad you're robbing the rich though, quite the Robin Hood aren't you?

I just hope someone doesn't do to you one day, whatever you have done in the past.

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Re: A Year To Live
Reply #7 - June 03, 2009, 10:08 PM

Quote from: IsLame on June 03, 2009, 09:52 PM
Sorry I didnt pat you on the back and call you a hero for wanting to go on "a crime spree, both for fun and .."

Not getting your panties in a bunch, while astride your high horse, over a random musing on the internet about something that's not likely to happen in real life, would have been sufficient.

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I just hope someone doesn't do to you one day, whatever you have done in the past.

Isn't that nice? Thank you for forgiving my sins, Father.

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Re: A Year To Live
Reply #8 - June 03, 2009, 10:57 PM

I am sorry I did not see your remark as a random musing. Based on your early posts displaying a distinct lack of care for others, as well as a previous life involved in some form of crime, not far from the truth is how I took it.

I aint no saint, but at least I dont get a hard on by fucking people over.

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Re: A Year To Live
Reply #9 - June 03, 2009, 11:23 PM

Quote from: IsLame on June 03, 2009, 10:57 PM
I Based on your early posts displaying a distinct lack of care for others,

Who, exactly, are these "others" besides the serial rapists/murderers and psychopaths that I've made no apologies for not caring about? Would you care to explain what kind of logic allowed you to determine I "have no conscience" from not caring about these kinds of repeatedly violent and truly heartless criminals? Or perhaps it is my belief that the state should be limited to protecting people's rights, not legislating morality or routinely violating people's liberty in the name of the "common good", that makes you believe I'm such a cold-blooded person?

Either way it pretty much comes back to me not agreeing with you doesn't it?

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as well as a previous life involved in some form of crime,

Look around you-- I don't know what kind of bubble you live in-- but in my experience almost everyone I know has previously been involved in some sort of crime. In the society we live in, where we are free to fight for every scrap and yet taught to expect we can have it all, and where the government increasingly regulates and legislates every aspect of our personal and social lives, it's pretty damn hard not to commit a crime at some point-- especially when you're younger,angrier, wilder, and think little of consequences.

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not far from the truth is how I took it.

Perhaps not, but I really don't see what's wrong with robbing capitalists, especially those who go out of their way to fuck over their workers, their customers, or the public at large.

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I aint no saint, but at least I dont get a hard on by fucking people over.

I don't get off on fucking over just anyone, but, for example, when I'm involved in a labor dispute and I fuck over some power-hungry, greedy employer, you're damn right that gets me off. It's okay to fuck some people over for certain reasons, and it's okay to like it. I don't buy into pacifist or puritanical slave morality.

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Re: A Year To Live
Reply #10 - June 04, 2009, 06:55 AM

I think you two would spend your final year arguing, somehow

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Re: A Year To Live
Reply #11 - June 04, 2009, 06:58 AM

Quote from: Baal on June 03, 2009, 07:53 PM
Leaving the donations after you are gone is a bit moot don't you think? Selfish even. But at least, you should be sending the donations to the people you committed your crimes against.

It's a question you're invited to answer, not start up one of your pedantic rants. But I think you've given it away you'd go around judging people and telling them 'You don't wanna do it like that...'

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Re: A Year To Live
Reply #12 - June 04, 2009, 06:59 AM

Quote from: Q-Man on June 03, 2009, 06:20 PM
I'd go on a crime spree

I like that one. Wouldn't it be awful if you got busted and spent the last year in jail

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Re: A Year To Live
Reply #13 - June 04, 2009, 07:12 AM

Recently I read of some saint/wali who this question was posed to, though it was in the span of 3 days or so as I recall. Said he wouldn't change a thing out of his daily scheadule. Deep.

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Re: A Year To Live
Reply #14 - June 04, 2009, 07:33 AM

Quote from: awais on June 04, 2009, 07:12 AM
Recently I read of some saint/wali who this question was posed to, though it was in the span of 3 days or so as I recall. Said he wouldn't change a thing out of his daily scheadule. Deep.

It's probably quite accurate in reality.

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Re: A Year To Live
Reply #15 - June 04, 2009, 02:01 PM

Quote from: Jack Torrance on June 04, 2009, 06:59 AM

I like that one. Wouldn't it be awful if you got busted and spent the last year in jail

Yeah, I considered that. If I was gonna die soon anyways, suicide by cop wouldn't be a bad way to go.

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Re: A Year To Live
Reply #16 - June 05, 2009, 07:34 AM

Quote from: Q-Man on June 04, 2009, 02:01 PM
Yeah, I considered that. If I was gonna die soon anyways, suicide by cop wouldn't be a bad way to go.

Yeah, I would also consider it fine to be shot dead whilst in the process of dispensing with Tony Blair (better still, the double whammy - Bush n Blair).

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Re: A Year To Live
Reply #17 - June 05, 2009, 10:58 AM

Quote from: awais on June 04, 2009, 07:12 AM
Recently I read of some saint/wali who this question was posed to, though it was in the span of 3 days or so as I recall. Said he wouldn't change a thing out of his daily scheadule. Deep.

I like that. By saying that you would do something else is basically saying that you are not happy with your life and that your putting your ambitions in life on hold until a tragic scenario like this would occur.

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Reply #18 - June 05, 2009, 11:01 AM

Quote from: J4m3z on June 05, 2009, 10:58 AM
I like that. By saying that you would do something else is basically saying that you are not happy with your life and that your putting your ambitions in life on hold until a tragic scenario like this would occur.

Not necessarily. Many people make sacrifies on a day to day level, in order to improve their future. A shortened lifespan would change this outlook.

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Reply #19 - June 05, 2009, 11:22 AM

But then I think of the philosophy - which I think Buddhists adopt but it can be found in non-Buddhist philosophy too - that you should focus on the process, or the means, rather than simply on the ends. Get satisfaction out of working towards the end, not just satisfaction at the end. So when I apply for a job, which I did do yesterday, I felt satisfaction out of simply walking to the shop and handing in my CV. And if they reject me, I won't think to myself "handing my CV to them was a waste of time" but rather I will think "I enjoyed what lead up to it anyway". In which case, when I make sacrifices today in order to make for a better future tomorrow, I don't think to myself, "darn this sacifice, but at least I will reap a better future" but instead I get satisfaction out of working for that better future. I know that if we were going to die the next day then there would be no future for us, but I still think it would be very admirable of someone if they carried on going to work the day before they knew they were probably going to die, to raise money for that car they've been wanting to buy. It would show some kind of important inner-satisfaction from that guy. After all, if it takes 10 years to save up for a car you really want, and you don't enjoy those 10 years thinking "I wish someone would just give me the money for it" then I don't think those 10 years is worth just that small moment in time where you go to buy the car. Yes, you will have the car for a very long time, but this person in this scenario seems like the kind of guy who only appreciates achievements which involve a sudden change in appearances. Therefore, I don't think this guy would really appreciate the car, long term. However, if he had the sort of mentality where he appreciated every day of his life, even if he spent those days sacrificing his possessions (including his time and effort) then I get the feeling he would appreciate the car for much longer.

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