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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #30 - June 15, 2009, 11:38 PM

    Hassan, I think a very good way of making this video would be to reply directly to the videos of Muslim daees like Zakir Naik.  He seems to be the one who loves to proclaim the so-called "miracles" of the Quran the most.

    Look up "Qur'an & Modern Science - Conflict or Conciliation" by Zakir Naik on Youtube.

    I'm about to go to sleep right now but I'd be more than willing to help you with this cuz this is a topic that I love to debunk myself.  I'd even be willing to meet you for this (seriously).  We can sit down with a cup of chai while we discuss the best way of making this video.  grin12

    I'll post some more tomorrow...

    .
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #31 - June 15, 2009, 11:39 PM


    Was this the guy that was on the Saudi payroll for providing proof for Islam, as was it someone else?

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #32 - June 15, 2009, 11:43 PM

    Hassan, I think a very good way of making this video would be to reply directly to the videos of Muslim daees like Zakir Naik.  He seems to be the one who loves to proclaim the so-called "miracles" of the Quran the most.

    Look up "Qur'an & Modern Science ? Conflict or Conciliation" by Zakir Naik on Youtube.

    I'm about to go to sleep right now but I'd be more than willing to help you on this cuz this is a topic that I love to debunk myself.  I'd even be willing to meet you for this (seriously).  We can sit down with a cup of chai while we discuss the best way of making this video.  grin12

    Zakir Naik is the most problematic Muslim since Mo.  He may not have killed anyone like the Taliban, but he is on the airwaves everyday and loved by most Muslims.  He makes Islam palatable and a seemingingly intelligent religion.   Roll Eyes

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #33 - June 16, 2009, 06:42 AM

    Thanks everyone - keep all the good stuff coming  Afro

    I will put it all together and come up with a script to show you all when I get some time.

    Yes, Shahid, it would be great to meet up - if u r ever able to come down to Oxford one weekend that would be brilliant. (I'm tied to the kids so it's easier to meet-up in Oxford.)
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #34 - June 16, 2009, 01:26 PM

    Another good video from TXHalabi

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7bKK395cdg
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #35 - June 16, 2009, 05:15 PM

    Yes, Shahid, it would be great to meet up - if u r ever able to come down to Oxford one weekend that would be brilliant. (I'm tied to the kids so it's easier to meet-up in Oxford.)

    Yep I was suggesting a meet-up in Oxford.  I've been Oxford a few times this year.  I'll let you know when I'm there again.

    .
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #36 - June 16, 2009, 05:58 PM

    Yep I was suggesting a meet-up in Oxford.  I've been Oxford a few times this year.  I'll let you know when I'm there again.


    Listen mate - you have an open invitation - give me a ring anytime you are here - weekends are best for me - but anytime is OK - I will PM u my mobile no.
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #37 - June 16, 2009, 06:09 PM

    Gr8 thread, I once started one concerning (Embryology);

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=3772.0


    Also I think the pollination verse is worth attention:

    15:22;

     And We send the fecundating winds, then cause the rain to descend from the sky, therewith providing you with water (in abundance), though ye are not the guardians of its stores.

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #38 - June 17, 2009, 09:09 AM

    Gr8 thread, I once started one concerning (Embryology);

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=3772.0


    Also I think the pollination verse is worth attention:

    15:22;

     And We send the fecundating winds, then cause the rain to descend from the sky, therewith providing you with water (in abundance), though ye are not the guardians of its stores.

    That's about pollination? Huh?
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #39 - June 17, 2009, 09:11 AM

    Must be. It mentions bees and all.  whistling2

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #40 - June 17, 2009, 09:18 AM

    Must be. It mentions bees and all.  whistling2

    How did they twist that around? It only mentions water/rain :\

    I can't find anything on google about pollination as a miracle.
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #41 - June 17, 2009, 10:20 AM

    Debunking the Big Bang miracle

    This verse is used to prove the Quran predicts the big Bang-
    And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur'an, 51:47)

    But that translation is weak. Here is the proper translation-

    051.047
    YUSUFALI: With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of pace.
    PICKTHAL: We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof).
    SHAKIR: And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample.


    The verse actually says 'vast', not 'expanding'. Big difference.

    Further info here- http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbellp4.htm

    I'll debunk some of IsLame's suggestions (in bold)-

    2) Universe - earth at its core, The Qur'an describes Iron as coming from outer space before this was known.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKy122yIKik

    3) Moon - splitting in half of moon, moon's light as reflected light before this was known
    It's a bad translation too.
    Debunked- Sadly we can't translate the words contrary to their meaning. Nur is not borrowed light. It is light. Munir also does not mean borrowed light. It means 'luminous'
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbellp10.htm

    4) Earth - flat or round, with mountains that act as pegs, salt water is denser, describes the fact that salt
    water and freshwater do not mix
    Mountains as pegs- http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbellp5.htm
    (Rebuttal to the salt/fresh water is below)


    5) Mans creation - clay, mire, dust, water or from the dead?

    6) Embryology - sperm production, and zygote formation, and similarity to a chewed gum & a leech
    Forged from Galen

    7) Medical - camels urine, black seed & fly's wings as antidotes


    8 ) 7 layers of the atmosphere
    FFI debunks this quite well-
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina40712.htm

    9)Formation of petrol
    He Who brings forth green pasture, then makes it blackened stubble.
    Debunked- Oil is not anything like blackened stubble, it is a liquid. This verse is most likely talking about burning plants turning into ash.

    10) Oceonology
    Debunked- And Dr. William Campbell writes in his book that��It is an observable phenomena. The fisherman of that time knew there were two types of water� salt and sweet So Prophet Mohammed during an expedition to Syria , he may have gone in the sea, or he might have spoken to these fishermen.�

    More info here- http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbellp5.htm#oceanology
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #42 - June 17, 2009, 11:34 AM

    The Irony is that these "Scientific Miracles" are always based not just on vague "nostradomus" like verses, but backed up with..... bad/wrong science that someone would think is actual only if they were a total layman (like the kind of people that think the "big bang" was a big ball of stuff that exploded).

    If nothing else, the quran gets so much wrong, that it boggles my mind that people actually believe it.

    To make matters worst when use use that hadiths related to the verses (like when someone asks muhammed what verse so and so means about the sun and moon not overtaking each other) to get a better idea what the verses mean, the explanations are even more goofy (like that the sun goes under allah's throne till he gives it permission to rise again.


    *ps, didnt feel like looking the verses up or the hadiths related to them, but feel free to look them up, the explanations (The explanations Muhammed and his homeboys gave.... not the ones made up 1400 years later by Mr. Naik) are really stupid. 



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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #43 - June 17, 2009, 11:35 AM

    Embryolocy in the Qur'an.

    The Qur'an describes the stages of foetal development thus..


    Thereafter We made him (the offspring of Adam) as a Nutfah (mixed drops of the male and female sexual discharge and lodged it) in a safe lodging (womb of the woman). Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (Alaqa, a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh (Mudghah), then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators.

    The claim from Moore and others is that the idea of a foetus developing in stages is a modern one, not known outside the Qur'an till the 15th century.  However, apart from the fact that the Torah describes six stages of foetal development, and the fact that the Romans had performed Caesarian sections at varying stages of pregnancy and so must have also known about it,  the Ancient Greeks were also familiar with the concept.

    Writing circa AD 150, Galens wrote on the same subject...

    But let us take the account back again to the first conformation of the animal, and in order to make our account orderly and clear, let us divide the creation of the foetus overall into four periods of time. The first is that in which. as is seen both in abortions and in dissection, the form of the semen prevails (Arabic nutfah). At this time, Hippocrates too, the all-marvelous, does not yet call the conformation of the animal a foetus; as we heard just now in the case of semen voided in the sixth day, he still calls it semen. But when it has been filled with blood (Arabic alaqa), and heart, brain and liver are still unarticulated and unshaped yet have by now a certain solidarity and considerable size, this is the second period; the substance of the foetus has the form of flesh and no longer the form of semen. Accordingly you would find that Hippocrates too no longer calls such a form semen but, as was said, foetus. The third period follows on this, when, as was said, it is possible to see the three ruling parts clearly and a kind of outline, a silhouette, as it were, of all the other parts (Arabic mudghah). You will see the conformation of the three ruling parts more clearly, that of the parts of the stomach more dimly, and much more still, that of the limbs. Later on they form "twigs", as Hippocrates expressed it, indicating by the term their similarity to branches. The fourth and final period is at the stage when all the parts in the limbs have been differentiated; and at this part Hippocrates the marvelous no longer calls the foetus an embryo only, but already a child, too when he says that it jerks and moves as an animal now fully formed (Arabic ?a new creation?) ...

    ... The time has come for nature to articulate the organs precisely and to bring all the parts to completion. Thus it caused flesh to grow on and around all the bones, and at the same time ... it made at the ends of the bones ligaments that bind them to each other, and along their entire length it placed around them on all sides thin membranes, called periosteal, on which it caused flesh to grow [19].

    The four stages of foetal development described by Galens correspond to the four stages described by Mohammed in the Qur'an.


    Galen's works were translated into Syriac in the 6th century by the Christian priest Sergius of Resh' Aina, a Nestorian.  When the Nestorians faced persecution from the mainstream church, they fled to Persia and founded a medical school at Jundishapur.  One of the school's most famous graduates was al Harith Ibn Kalada, a contemporary and companion of Mohammed, who would have been familiar with the works of Galens, and other Greek scientists.

    Furthermore,  Galens got many things wrong, and the Qur'an repeats his mistakes.  Ancient Greeks thought that the woman was merely an incubator inside which the semen developed into a foetus by mingling with menstrual blood.  They had no knowledge of the role played by ovaries and the Qur'an shows no knowledge of them either.  Nor is there any stage at which the embryo resembles a "clot of blood" or a leech.  The relationship between the placenta and the uterine wall may be described as "leech like" in that the placenta clings to the uterine wall, but that applies to the entire 9 months of a pregnancy and so can hardly be called a stage of foetal development.

    Some handy links for further reading...

    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CJ/CJ533.html

    http://www.babycentre.co.uk/pregnancy/fetaldevelopment/

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=49655

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=26725#26725

    http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/general-political-discussion/38271-quran-rip-greeks.html

    Fun fact of the day - on the acknowledgements page of Keith Moore's text book on Islamic embryology, he lists Osama Bin Laden as a scholar who supported the work. 




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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #44 - June 17, 2009, 12:27 PM

    Thanks Cheetah - and Peruvian and everyone else  Afro

    Maybe you could have a look at the Iron miracle  Roll Eyes afaik it is wrong on three counts - 1. It was known that iron came from the sky (Philhelenes has a great vid on it) 2. Everything came from the sky anyway. 3. The word used to send down (Anzala) is used all the time to mean that God gave it to us and does not necessarily mean it fell from the sky.
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #45 - June 17, 2009, 01:02 PM

    Fun fact of the day - on the acknowledgements page of Keith Moore's text book on Islamic embryology, he lists Osama Bin Laden as a scholar who supported the work. 

    Who knows what he is getting up to stuck in those caves

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #46 - June 17, 2009, 01:05 PM

    @Hassan.

    I'll get on to it later.   google

    Btw, in the spirit of balance and fairness which you always try and make your videos, you might want to point out that muslim scientists have made major contributions to the sum of human knowledge, but they didn't achieve that by studying the Qur'an.  They achieved it by using the scientific method just like every other scientist has always done.

    Quote
    Who knows what he is getting up to stuck in those caves


    I'm not even sure if its the same Bin Laden tbh.  What I do know is that he is listed as one among many who supported the project with time or money - ie, Prof Keith Moore got well paid by the Saudis for his lies.

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #47 - June 17, 2009, 05:08 PM

    Btw, in the spirit of balance and fairness which you always try and make your videos, you might want to point out that muslim scientists have made major contributions to the sum of human knowledge, but they didn't achieve that by studying the Qur'an.  They achieved it by using the scientific method just like every other scientist has always done.


    Excellent suggestion, Cheetah - thanks  Afro
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #48 - June 17, 2009, 08:14 PM

    The Wonderful Miracle of Iron.   Cheesy

    This one is much easier than embryology.  Firstly, here is the muslim side of the story....



        And We also sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind? (Qur'an, 57:25)

    The word "anzalna," translated as "sent down" and used for iron in the verse, could be thought of having a metaphorical meaning to explain that iron has been given to benefit people. But, when we take into consideration the literal meaning of the word, which is, "being physically sent down from the sky," as in the case of rain and Sun rays, we realize that this verse implies a very significant scientific miracle. Because, modern astronomical findings have disclosed that the iron found in our world has come from giant stars in outer space.38

    Not only the iron on earth, but also the iron in the entire Solar System, comes from outer space, since the temperature in the Sun is inadequate for the formation of iron. The sun has a surface temperature of 6,000 degrees Celsius, and a core temperature of approximately 20 million degrees. Iron can only be produced in much larger stars than the Sun, where the temperature reaches a few hundred million degrees. When the amount of iron exceeds a certain level in a star, the star can no longer accommodate it, and it eventually explodes in what is called a "nova" or a "supernova." These explosions make it possible for iron to be given off into space.39


    http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_30.html

    Firstly, I'm not going to deal with the interpretation of the Arabic word in the first paragraph, because I don't speak Arabic.

    Secondly, the process described in the second paragraph applies to every element apart from hydrogen and helium, (and their isotopes), and one isotope of lithium.  At a certain stage in the process of cooling and expansion known as the Big Bang, the Universe reached a temperature too cool for free quarks to exist.  At this stage protons and neutrons bonded to make the "light elements" - deuterium, helium and lithium.

    However, as the Universe cooled it also expanded, making the collision and bonding necessary for heavier elements less possible.   So the more complex elements are synthesised from hydrogen and helium by the fusion of stars.  Our own sun can synthesise elements up to, and including, oxygen, and more massive stars can synthesise everything up to, and including, iron.   Elements heavier than iron are synthesised during the explosions of massive stars, (supernovae).

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_originelements.htm

    (Irrelevant aside - there are some great pictures of nebulae on that link).

    Given that all elements bar two, (and one isotope of a third), are formed by the process outlined in the second paragraph, why would the Qur'an single out iron?Huh??

    Possibly because meteoric iron was common knowledge in Mohammed's day, and long before.  The Ancient Egyptian word for iron translates as "metal of heaven", and cultures as far flung as Tibet and Australian Aboriginals have produced implements made from meteoric iron.  Knowledge of it was nothing special, because iron meteorites are apparently very easy for a lay person to spot - so easy that they are massively over represented in meteorite collections.

    http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/T/timeteam/snapshot_iron_making_t.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteoric_iron

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_(mythology)

    And here is philhellenes vid on the subject...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKy122yIKik






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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #49 - June 17, 2009, 08:41 PM

    As i read the other day...how is it a miracle? how is it a scientific miracle that Allah sent down iron from the heavens? didnt everything come from Allah anyway? its no different from saying all is a miracle as it came from Allah, he wouldnt send iron UP to heaven would he? everything is sent by Allah.

    I dont see how this verse is anything like a miracle of science, more like a pointing out the bloody obvious. Its actually really crap this so called miracle!

    And BTW iron doesnt come from space or heaven...like all things it came from stars...big stars in the early universe that went BANG thus creating new elements....like iron....

    Edit; heres what i mean, once again this guy gets it across in a good way. might help with the video Wink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b91gCFkUvFk&feature=channel_page
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #50 - June 17, 2009, 09:30 PM

    Excellent work, Cheetah  Afro

    And thanks to everyone who has contributed - I'm gonna have to give you all a name check when I (eventually) make this vid  grin12

    OK, thanks for your list IsLame, but I hope you will forgive me for editing it and I have now come up with a list that I think deserve to be debunked.

    BUT - if you think I have missed any that you feel deserves to be included - please let me know. I am hoping to start doing it this weekend - though all of a sudden there are lots of things going on in my life concerning family and friends and it is leaving me with very little spare time at the moment. (But don't worry I will do this... inshallah  Wink )

    1. Fertilization and embyonic growth.

    2. Iron as coming from outer space.

    3. Moon's light as reflected light.

    4. Salt water and fresh-water do not mix.

    5. Big Bang

    6. Planets swimming in orbits

    7. Expanding universe

    8. The gaseous state of the universe before the big bang...

    (Thanks, Aliadiere for the brilliant points u emailed me regarding the above Cosmological claims.)

    9. The Numerological Miracles.
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #51 - June 17, 2009, 09:52 PM

    Good list.  Afro

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #52 - June 17, 2009, 10:00 PM

    @ Cheetah the main ones now on that list I still don't have much info on are No 9 The Numerological Miracles and 3. Moon's light as reflected light. (I am aware that the Arabic doesn't really support this claim - but I haven't seen much written about it.)

  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #53 - June 17, 2009, 10:12 PM

    How did they twist that around? It only mentions water/rain :\

    I can't find anything on google about pollination as a miracle.

    =============

     Known also as anemophily, found it in Arabic, will look it up in Engl.

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #54 - June 17, 2009, 10:16 PM

    So I'm on the case again, am I?   Cheesy   google

    The numerological stuff I can't take seriously enough to try and debunk.  There is already a thread on here dealing with the "miracle" of the number 19 and I have nothing to add to the posts I made there, apart from this point - the muslim world has produced some brilliant mathematicians.  Men like Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī, considered to be the "father of modern algebra",  These men were first rate mathematicians who were raised with the Qur'an and Sunnah all around them.  Many were also native Arabic speakers.

    So if there ever were any genuine numerical miracles in the Qur'an, do you not think these people would have noticed them centuries ago?   (The same applies to science in the Qur'an, incidentally.  Why didn't Ibn Sina or al Razi et al,  notice any science in the Holy Book they were brought up with?)

    Such men would have laughed at the number 19 nonsense because they would have seen it for the childish numbers game it is.  If that claim is evidence of anything at all,  it is evidence of a current mass crisis of confidence among muslims.

    I'll look into the Moon thing tomorrow.   Afro

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #55 - June 17, 2009, 10:21 PM

    So I'm on the case again, am I?   Cheesy   google

    The numerological stuff I can't take seriously enough to try and debunk.  There is already a thread on here dealing with the "miracle" of the number 19 and I have nothing to add to the posts I made there, apart from this point - the muslim world has produced some brilliant mathematicians.  Men like Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī, considered to be the "father of modern algebra",  These men were first rate mathematicians who were raised with the Qur'an and Sunnah all around them.  Many were also native Arabic speakers.

    So if there ever were any genuine numerical miracles in the Qur'an, do you not think these people would have noticed them centuries ago?   (The same applies to science in the Qur'an, incidentally.  Why didn't Ibn Sina or al Razi et al,  notice any science in the Holy Book they were brought up with?)

    Such men would have laughed at the number 19 nonsense because they would have seen it for the childish numbers game it is.  If that claim is evidence of anything at all,  it is evidence of a current mass crisis of confidence among muslims.

    I'll look into the Moon thing tomorrow.   Afro


    Good points re-the Muslim mathematicians - yes sorry hun for asking you to do the digging - there's no hurry and if u don't have time, u don't have time so dnt worry abt it Smiley
  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #56 - June 17, 2009, 10:25 PM

    No, its fine.  I'm nerdy enough to enjoy reading this stuff, so I'll do it tomorrow.  Afro

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #57 - June 17, 2009, 10:28 PM

    BUT - if you think I have missed any that you feel deserves to be included - please let me know.

    Like I have said before, it will be a very difficult video to do and possibly the reason it has not been tackled in this fashion before.  Most youtube videos debunk single topics, however a concise and easy to understand will be difficult, particularly as you will want to do it in presumably less than 10 mins.  The trick will be taking complex topics, making them easy to understand yet concise at the same time.

    Regarding the list, I think you have made some good choices there. I still think you might
    want to still include 2 items as they can be explained in passing without any detail added

    - Mans creation - clay, mire, dust, water or from the dead? - this can simply demonstrate the scattergun approach to science - throw in enough guesses into the mix, then some might stick

    - Medical - camels urine, black seed & fly's wings as antidotes - these again can simply be read out, and there is no need to go into any depth about their absurdity.  Particularly camel's urine - I dont think any Muslims would bhe prepared to do that.  You could also mention that God could have given us a better miracle, like penicillin i.e. antibiotics which would have been a cure for infections, an unknown cure for a widespread problem during those days.

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #58 - June 17, 2009, 10:32 PM

    Those are good points, IsLame, but do you not think the camel's urine, etc, point is more of a scientific canard in the Qur'an than a scientific miracle?  Its like the bit where it says that the sun and moon cannot catch up with each other, thus making eclipses impossible.   Cheesy

    Scientific mistakes could be a whole other video. 

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  • Re: Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
     Reply #59 - June 17, 2009, 10:36 PM

    I really don't think all of this can be tackled in one video. I suggest making three vids for the current list, and taking your time about it.

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