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  • hi
     OP - July 03, 2009, 11:51 PM

    i discovered this website today, and it seems interesting since i'd like to know more about other ex-muslims in the uk.

    i, myself am an atheist, but was bought up a hardcore muslim. my parents are intense muslims and would kill me if they knew i was an atheist.

    by the way, if you're wondering, my parents are from india, but i was born here.

    i'm 20 and i started doubting the religion properly when i was around 14 or 15. i totally rejected islam when i was 17. i'm currently at university. i know the quran by heart, and i lead the prayers in ramadaan, as i will be doing so again this year.

    i'm at a stage with my rejection of islam that i no longer feel threatened by other muslims in my area, and i could easily out argue them if i were to though if it wasn't for the consequences that would follow.

    my opinion of islam is that it's ideology is so barbaric, and so hideous that i have to check in on my brain every now and then for a reality check to see if my life is for real, because i think to myself that at least something must have ticked off in the nut brains of people in my area or my former friends that their ideas are off the scale cuckoo. 

    my whole life including the present, has been a heap of shit. my parents have controlled all aspects of my life till i was 18ish, and still do since i'm still living at home. the only time i feel like a human being is when i go back to university this fall. i have 0 muslim friends, i've isolated each and every one of  them from myself since i realized islam was just something brainwashed onto people and since my interests have been all philosophical, and muslim friends aren't the ones you need when you want to understand the world, they aren't renowned for thinking outside the box.

    oh, and i love ideas, i live for them. wanting to know how things work is the best i can hope for.

    hi!
  • Re: hi
     Reply #1 - July 04, 2009, 12:00 AM

    welcome

    i am only muslim here

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: hi
     Reply #2 - July 04, 2009, 12:13 AM

    Welcome, sharkheart Smiley

    On a slightly unrelated matter - I have always been a fan of Andy Warhol  Afro
  • Re: hi
     Reply #3 - July 04, 2009, 12:16 AM

    Welcome SHarkheart,

    You'll find that your story is a lot like many of our fellow members here. A lot of them are in the same boat as you are when it comes to expressing our doubts. I myself am yet to be completely open with a lot of my family members, even though my parents know I'm an Atheist.

    If you visit youtube often, I encourage you to watch videos from the channel of some of our members here.

    Here is my channel:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/RationalPeace

    and here is Hassan's:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/discussislam


    I wish you the best of luck, and I hope to hear more of your thoughts as you interact with us in the future.  Smiley

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: hi
     Reply #4 - July 04, 2009, 12:24 AM

    Welcome sharkheart! Great to have you here.

    It must suck having to pretend that you're a devout, practicing Muslim. I can't imagine how awful it must be. The only time I ever have to do something Muslimish is during Ramadan, where I basically suffer until iftar with the little food I manage to eat secretly.

    So how did you discover us? Via Google?

    German ex-Muslim forumMy YouTubeList of Ex-Muslims
    Wikis: en de fr ar tr
    CEMB-Chat
    I'm on an indefinite break...
  • Re: hi
     Reply #5 - July 04, 2009, 01:22 AM

    Welcome Sharkheart.   Smiley  Make yourself at home.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: hi
     Reply #6 - July 04, 2009, 01:35 AM

    Your parents made you learn the quran off by heart??  It took me long enough to read it!  Tell us a little about your road to apostacy..  Have you visited FFI?

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  • Re: hi
     Reply #7 - July 04, 2009, 02:34 AM

    Welcome!  Smiley
  • Re: hi
     Reply #8 - July 04, 2009, 08:31 AM

    Welcome sharkheart.

    Can I ask how you ended up leading the prayer aged 20?


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: hi
     Reply #9 - July 04, 2009, 10:21 AM

    Welcome SHarkheart,

    You'll find that your story is a lot like many of our fellow members here. A lot of them are in the same boat as you are when it comes to expressing our doubts. I myself am yet to be completely open with a lot of my family members, even though my parents know I'm an Atheist.

    If you visit youtube often, I encourage you to watch videos from the channel of some of our members here.

    Here is my channel:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/RationalPeace

    and here is Hassan's:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/discussislam


    I wish you the best of luck, and I hope to hear more of your thoughts as you interact with us in the future.  Smiley



    Welcome SH and I second what Tommy has just said. We are all the same here apart from Kope Smiley He is the infidel of our forum Cheesy

    Ahh, and by the way hassan has very interesting videos especially the discussion between God and the Angels youtube it and I am sure you will find it funny yet informative!!!

    ...
  • Re: hi
     Reply #10 - July 04, 2009, 12:27 PM

    Ouch! Didn't realise your parents were that bad. Mine didn't pray until quite recently when they visited Mecca. They do restrict my freedom a little bit though, especially my mum but recently they've been getting more lax. I think they're just used to it now because I'm always away at uni, they see me as an adult now.

    Is there any way you can move away to another city after uni and get a job there? Are you allowed to move out or do your parents expect you to come home after uni? Mine do, not sure what to do about that yet.

    Welcome to the forum, I hope it goes well for you Smiley
  • Re: hi
     Reply #11 - July 04, 2009, 12:43 PM

    Welcome sharkheart.

    Can I ask how you ended up leading the prayer aged 20?



    that interesting question

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: hi
     Reply #12 - July 04, 2009, 12:48 PM

    Hello Sharkheart. Welcome.  Afro

    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: hi
     Reply #13 - July 04, 2009, 01:50 PM

    Welcome Sharkheart!

    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

    "I think religion is just like smoking: Both invented by people, addictive, harmful, and kills!"
    ~RIBS
  • Re: hi
     Reply #14 - July 04, 2009, 05:02 PM

    Your parents made you learn the quran off by heart??  It took me long enough to read it!  Tell us a little about your road to apostacy..  Have you visited FFI?



    yup. may parents did make me learn the quran off by heart. i started this when i started high school, and so because i was learning the quraan by heart, i had to go to mosque from 5:30-7:30 in the morning and then 5:00-7:30 in the evening everyday for 6 straight years. it took me 3 years and 3 months to complete learning it off by heart.

    my road to apostasy started very very early and slow. because i come from a very hardcore muslim famiy, with my brother being one of those people who go door to door preaching islam, or more commonly termed as people may recognize it as 'tablighi'. and so is my dad. both of them also know the quran off by memory. as for my mum and my two sisters, they might not wear those black cloaks or burkha as it's more commonly known, but they're also very hardcore. and, since i can remember, i've been going to the mosque five times a day for all five prayers.

    i have a tendency to digress. well, my 'evil thoughts' started when i was very young, around 6-7 years old when i  had just start mosque, and wondering on the most basic level, if god had brothers and sisters. and this notions of god having brothers and sisters developed until i was around 14 years old. it developed from knowing that i'm not suppose to think that but still thinking these thoughts, because they were questions out of curiosities and the needed to be answered. at the time, my idea of god having brothers and sisters developed into if if god created another god once he died, and thought that's how god worked, he just created another one. so i naturally wondered if there was a first one if you trace the line far back enough, and so doing this with all kinds of things meant none of my questions were answered.

    hand in hand with these thoughts, or maybe even the cause of them, was that i use to see 'white' (sorry for using a crass and derogatory term) people as having a so much better life than me, and naturally i use to look up to them, even though i was told by my parents that 'white' (sorry again) people were inhumane, dirty, disgusting, and devoid of all human qualities. i'd see the kind of love their parents showed them when they were picked up from school as i was growing up and i felt as if i wanted some of that too. and i was also very jealous how they would play after school but me and my friends had no chance of doing so because we had to go to mosque.

    my thoughts stirred some more when i was around 14-15 year old, but when i hit 16 and joined my sixth form, it's when the real fireworks started. i started a friendship with an english girl who was my first 'real' friend ever, and who to this day is my best friend, and i remember it being the month of ramadaan and i was fasting, and she's very very intelligent and curious, so she'd ask me all these questions to why i'd fast and so on (i was still a muslim then but slightly unsure), so i'd give her all these elaborate explanations of how it helps you feel for the poor and so on, and she'd counter everything i'd say with something much cleverer and what made more sense. after a few months of these questions about what i believed in, i completely rejected the religion.

    this is how it'd exactly happened. i'd been thinking a lot about what i'd believed in this particular week in early 2005, and on this one night, before i went to sleep, i was thinking in bed of contradictory everything in religion was and so on. and then i thought, what would happen if i said 'i'm not a muslim', thinking i'd die instantly or something insane like that, but nothing happened, and having nothing happened to me felt like the most liberating thing on earth, and it was very much like as if everything was different now. everything looked different, because you weren't perceiving everything from 'god created it' point of view. so i went to sleep that night having told myself i wasn't a muslim, and since i haven't been.

    for a year after that period, i had doubts about whether god existed, i knew all religions were rubbish just wasn't sure if god was. so i thought deep, separated the arguments into 'for' and ' against' and realized that for every 'for' argument i had, there was a better 'against' argument which nullified the 'for' argument.

    oh, and since the day i rejected islam, a few months later was my onset of major depression which lasted around 2 and a half years. this was because of all the things my mind wanted to see and explore and which was obviously rejected by my family.

    i've never had the nerve to tell them i'm not a muslim, so i keep leading the main ramadaan prayer every year,when i say lead, i mean i pray four of the rakaats out of the twenty, some other three people lead the other sixteen.

    my depression was severe and i was in constant thoughts of committing suicide, which was never going to actually happen, but it was one way of telling myself of doing something about the shit life i lead then as i do now at home. my only consolation now is that i'm rarely at home, because i go to a university away from where i live, but periods like the summer holidays are depressing since i'm back at home.

    oh, and i've ran away from home twice, the second time being last year, when i ran away for a week, it was going to be a permanent move away but this certain 'friend' of mine convinced me to go back home. i left a note before i ran away that day saying how i wan't a muslim and i was bisexual, i had feelings for guys too. my sister found it once i'd ran away, she showed my other sister and my brother but never my parents. i think they think that my rejection of the religion was because i was stuck at home, but it's because i rejected my religion i feel stuck at home.

    oh. random information to know about me, i want to be neuroscientist, i want to live in london and then move to new york, i don't want to get married nor want any kids, and i want to know as much about how things work as i can.

    i don't expect anyone to read till the end because it's a rubbish story.
  • Re: hi
     Reply #15 - July 04, 2009, 05:08 PM

    I read to the end and enjoyed it. Welcome aboard!  bunny

    I wish to also leave London and live in New York when i finish my education! Go us Smiley

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: hi
     Reply #16 - July 04, 2009, 05:19 PM


    yup. may parents did make me learn the quran off by heart. i started this when i started high school, and so because i was learning the quraan by heart, i had to go to mosque from 5:30-7:30 in the morning and then 5:00-7:30 in the evening everyday for 6 straight years. it took me 3 years and 3 months to complete learning it off by heart.

    my road to apostasy started very very early and slow. because i come from a very hardcore muslim famiy, with my brother being one of those people who go door to door preaching islam, or more commonly termed as people may recognize it as 'tablighi'. and so is my dad. both of them also know the quran off by memory. as for my mum and my two sisters, they might not wear those black cloaks or burkha as it's more commonly known, but they're also very hardcore. and, since i can remember, i've been going to the mosque five times a day for all five prayers.

    i have a tendency to digress. well, my 'evil thoughts' started when i was very young, around 6-7 years old when i  had just start mosque, and wondering on the most basic level, if god had brothers and sisters. and this notions of god having brothers and sisters developed until i was around 14 years old. it developed from knowing that i'm not suppose to think that but still thinking these thoughts, because they were questions out of curiosities and the needed to be answered. at the time, my idea of god having brothers and sisters developed into if if god created another god once he died, and thought that's how god worked, he just created another one. so i naturally wondered if there was a first one if you trace the line far back enough, and so doing this with all kinds of things meant none of my questions were answered.

    hand in hand with these thoughts, or maybe even the cause of them, was that i use to see 'white' (sorry for using a crass and derogatory term) people as having a so much better life than me, and naturally i use to look up to them, even though i was told by my parents that 'white' (sorry again) people were inhumane, dirty, disgusting, and devoid of all human qualities. i'd see the kind of love their parents showed them when they were picked up from school as i was growing up and i felt as if i wanted some of that too. and i was also very jealous how they would play after school but me and my friends had no chance of doing so because we had to go to mosque.

    my thoughts stirred some more when i was around 14-15 year old, but when i hit 16 and joined my sixth form, it's when the real fireworks started. i started a friendship with an english girl who was my first 'real' friend ever, and who to this day is my best friend, and i remember it being the month of ramadaan and i was fasting, and she's very very intelligent and curious, so she'd ask me all these questions to why i'd fast and so on (i was still a muslim then but slightly unsure), so i'd give her all these elaborate explanations of how it helps you feel for the poor and so on, and she'd counter everything i'd say with something much cleverer and what made more sense. after a few months of these questions about what i believed in, i completely rejected the religion.

    this is how it'd exactly happened. i'd been thinking a lot about what i'd believed in this particular week in early 2005, and on this one night, before i went to sleep, i was thinking in bed of contradictory everything in religion was and so on. and then i thought, what would happen if i said 'i'm not a muslim', thinking i'd die instantly or something insane like that, but nothing happened, and having nothing happened to me felt like the most liberating thing on earth, and it was very much like as if everything was different now. everything looked different, because you weren't perceiving everything from 'god created it' point of view. so i went to sleep that night having told myself i wasn't a muslim, and since i haven't been.

    for a year after that period, i had doubts about whether god existed, i knew all religions were rubbish just wasn't sure if god was. so i thought deep, separated the arguments into 'for' and ' against' and realized that for every 'for' argument i had, there was a better 'against' argument which nullified the 'for' argument.

    oh, and since the day i rejected islam, a few months later was my onset of major depression which lasted around 2 and a half years. this was because of all the things my mind wanted to see and explore and which was obviously rejected by my family.

    i've never had the nerve to tell them i'm not a muslim, so i keep leading the main ramadaan prayer every year,when i say lead, i mean i pray four of the rakaats out of the twenty, some other three people lead the other sixteen.

    my depression was severe and i was in constant thoughts of committing suicide, which was never going to actually happen, but it was one way of telling myself of doing something about the shit life i lead then as i do now at home. my only consolation now is that i'm rarely at home, because i go to a university away from where i live, but periods like the summer holidays are depressing since i'm back at home.

    oh, and i've ran away from home twice, the second time being last year, when i ran away for a week, it was going to be a permanent move away but this certain 'friend' of mine convinced me to go back home. i left a note before i ran away that day saying how i wan't a muslim and i was bisexual, i had feelings for guys too. my sister found it once i'd ran away, she showed my other sister and my brother but never my parents. i think they think that my rejection of the religion was because i was stuck at home, but it's because i rejected my religion i feel stuck at home.

    oh. random information to know about me, i want to be neuroscientist, i want to live in london and then move to new york, i don't want to get married nor want any kids, and i want to know as much about how things work as i can.

    i don't expect anyone to read till the end because it's a rubbish story.


    Damn, thats a great story. You should start a YouTube channel and tell your story on video.  Afro

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: hi
     Reply #17 - July 04, 2009, 08:06 PM


    i don't expect anyone to read till the end because it's a rubbish story.[/b]



    because you made up?

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: hi
     Reply #18 - July 04, 2009, 08:12 PM

    I read to the end and enjoyed it. Welcome aboard!  bunny



    he said it's a rubbish story.

    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: hi
     Reply #19 - July 04, 2009, 08:13 PM

    Quote
    he said it's a rubbish story.


    And i happen to disagree with him. I enjoyed his post.
    Any problems?

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: hi
     Reply #20 - July 04, 2009, 08:42 PM


    Posted by: Meredith

    Quote
    And i happen to disagree with him. I enjoyed his post.
    Any problems?


    you should respect his opinion about himself



    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: hi
     Reply #21 - July 05, 2009, 12:45 AM

    Disagreement is not disrespect Kope.

    Call me TAP TAP! for I am THE ASS PATTER!
  • Re: hi
     Reply #22 - July 05, 2009, 12:54 AM

    Nice story, but at least you are now on the correct road to recovery.  Unlike NoHopeKope.  And good for you  Afro

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  • Re: hi
     Reply #23 - July 05, 2009, 09:50 PM

    Welcome  Smiley

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Re: hi
     Reply #24 - July 11, 2009, 09:21 PM

    my thoughts stirred some more when i was around 14-15 year old, but when i hit 16 and joined my sixth form, it's when the real fireworks started. i started a friendship with an english girl who was my first 'real' friend ever, and who to this day is my best friend, and i remember it being the month of ramadaan and i was fasting, and she's very very intelligent and curious, so she'd ask me all these questions to why i'd fast and so on (i was still a muslim then but slightly unsure), so i'd give her all these elaborate explanations of how it helps you feel for the poor and so on, and she'd counter everything i'd say with something much cleverer and what made more sense. after a few months of these questions about what i believed in, i completely rejected the religion.


    Did she take your virginity and this helped lead you to apostasy? Cause that would be awesome. You could write a letter to Penthouse Forum.

    Welcome aboard!

    I read to the end and enjoyed it. Welcome aboard!  bunny

    I wish to also leave London and live in New York when i finish my education! Go us Smiley


    Ya'll say hi when you get here.

    fuck you
  • Re: hi
     Reply #25 - July 12, 2009, 02:33 AM

    So it took me a week, but welcome!  dance

    Great story. I look forward to your participation here Smiley.

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: hi
     Reply #26 - July 12, 2009, 01:15 PM

    Welcome Sharky, was curious if you had to go through corporal punishments,

    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: hi
     Reply #27 - July 13, 2009, 09:15 AM

    Don't start giving Baal details on that. He'll get all horny and start drooling on his keyboard.  Wink

    Anyway I didn't think it was a rubbish story. Nothing wrong with calling white people white either. Doesn't bother them.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
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