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OP - July 04, 2009, 02:45 PM

I just wanted to be sure, other than killing of the apostates, which clearly highlights the intolerent nature of islam, i would like to ask, why must we fight islam to the end? thanks...
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Reply #1 - July 04, 2009, 02:54 PM

When I first left Islam I was on fire to change the world, to fight islam with everything I had.

I don't have the insane fire I had before, but I still think it's very important to work towards changing peoples mind on religion, for the sake of the generations to come, so that they don't need to have their lives stunted by this like many of us were, and billions of others still are.

Islam isn;t just about killing apostates, it's about killing the spirit in womankind, totally destroying her independent mind. It's about crippling enterprise, and devoting oneself to what doesn;t even exist, rather than facing out to humanity and trying to help them it's all in allahs hands instead.

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Reply #2 - July 04, 2009, 03:00 PM

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why must we fight islam to the end?

Who is the "we" you talk of?

Are you part of a group who's aim it is to fight Islam to the end?

What is the name of this group?

I personally would never be part of such a group since I do not believe in fighting Islam or any religion.

On the contrary I will defend Muslims (and Christians etc...) right to practice their faith.
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Reply #3 - July 04, 2009, 03:11 PM

Well we should fight with words against that which is false whilst keeping an open mind at all times. That's undisagreeable, right?

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Reply #4 - July 04, 2009, 03:22 PM

Islam must be confronted. In the context of the world today, 'fight' can mean many things. But it must be confronted when its values become pernicious.

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Reply #5 - July 04, 2009, 03:27 PM

Quote from: BerberElla on July 04, 2009, 02:54 PM
it's about killing the spirit in womankind, totally destroying her independent mind

Whilst this is the sharpest knife that Islam holds to Muslims, it is about killing the spirit in men as well. Even though women are the primary victims, I contest that men are victims of Islam as well.

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

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Reply #6 - July 04, 2009, 08:24 PM

Quote from: J4m3z on July 04, 2009, 03:11 PM
Well we should fight with words against that which is false whilst keeping an open mind at all times. That's undisagreeable, right?

I'm not interested in fighting Islam with words or anything else.

Yes, I like to express my opinions about Islam as someone who used to believe it - but that doesn't mean I am engaged in any sort of a battle against Islam.

In fact it seems sad to me that some people make the very same mistake that many Muslims make - namely to think that any criticism of Islam constitutes a war against Islam.
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Reply #7 - July 04, 2009, 08:27 PM

Quote from: billy on July 04, 2009, 03:22 PM
Islam must be confronted. In the context of the world today, 'fight' can mean many things. But it must be confronted when its values become pernicious.

I believe extremism (of all flavours) - and a few specific aspects practiced by some Muslims (and some stuff believed/practiced by other religious nuts), must be confronted, but I do not believe Islam (or any religion) as a whole must be confronted.

For example I do not see any reason why the Islam of most peaceful Muslims needs to be confronted.
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Reply #8 - July 04, 2009, 08:30 PM

Quote from: li on July 04, 2009, 02:45 PM
I just wanted to be sure, other than killing of the apostates, which clearly highlights the intolerent nature of islam, i would like to ask, why must we fight islam to the end? thanks...

I have no desire to have any form of battle with Islam, my qualms lie within political islam and it's abuses of women rights not with the majority of peaceful Muslims but the minority of those who use religion to achieve political aims.

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Reply #9 - July 04, 2009, 11:52 PM

Quote from: Hassan on July 04, 2009, 08:24 PM
I'm not interested in fighting Islam with words or anything else.

Yes, I like to express my opinions about Islam as someone who used to believe it - but that doesn't mean I am engaged in any sort of a battle against Islam.

In fact it seems sad to me that some people make the very same mistake that many Muslims make - namely to think that any criticism of Islam constitutes a war against Islam.

I would not have personally chosen the word "fighting" but what I meant was that as pursuers of truth, we should all aim to discuss with people of all varieties of beliefs, why they hold such believes in an attempt to quash falsehood and discover the truth. I currently believe that Islam is false so I will say that my mission is to quash Islam. But by no means to I adopt a fundamentalist approach here. My view that Islam should be quashed is entirely on the condition that it is false and whether it is or not we must discuss, and I believe that open-minded discussion is the best way to pursue truth.

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Reply #10 - July 05, 2009, 12:42 AM

I think the word "fight" represents something on another level. When I use the word "fight", I use it to represent something that I'm actively doing or going to do. In other words, if I was an Anti-Islam Activist, then the word "fight" would be much better fit, since a proper context would then be established.

Now that I've put that in the clear, to answer the original post, no I don't fight Islam--nor any religion. I believe that people are free to hold whatever belief they choose. The only thing I fight against, is nature of religious people to shove down their beliefs upon someone else. I fight against the mesh of Church/Mosque and state. I do this by raising of my voice against religion through my Youtube videos. I give people an alternative view that detours from superstition, while at the same time allows me to speak my mind.

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Reply #11 - July 05, 2009, 01:01 AM

Well thankfully you are doing something important about it. More than I can say about myself

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Reply #12 - July 05, 2009, 04:25 AM

Quote from: Hassan on July 04, 2009, 03:00 PM
Who is the "we" you talk of?

Are you part of a group who's aim it is to fight Islam to the end?

What is the name of this group?

I personally would never be part of such a group since I do not believe in fighting Islam or any religion.

On the contrary I will defend Muslims (and Christians etc...) right to practice their faith.

well, i used the word 'fight' not in physically but rather verbally, and the 'we' was refering to us, the ex-muslims and no, i'm not involve in any group that is determine to fight islam. and i guess that i just like to express my opinion about islam, especially the quran to show to the muslims that there is nothing sacred in the quran and there is error in it.
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Reply #13 - July 05, 2009, 04:30 AM

and yes, people are free to practice what they believe as long as they don't force feed their beliefs deep down our throat, preventing people from having the freedom to choose their beliefs and intolerent towards different views.
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Reply #14 - July 05, 2009, 08:32 AM

Quote from: Meredith on July 04, 2009, 08:30 PM
I have no desire to have any form of battle with Islam, my qualms lie within political islam and it's abuses of women rights not with the majority of peaceful Muslims but the minority of those who use religion to achieve political aims.

The gap between orthodox Islam and political Islam isn't too wide. In fact, I think political Islam is the most correct interpretation of Islam. The widescale abuse of women's rights would have been impossible without the Quranic venom against women.

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Reply #15 - July 05, 2009, 10:08 AM

Quote from: li on July 05, 2009, 04:30 AM
and yes, people are free to practice what they believe as long as they don't force feed their beliefs deep down our throat, preventing people from having the freedom to choose their beliefs and intolerent towards different views.

I wish you hadn't force-fed me that opinion :(

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Reply #16 - July 05, 2009, 11:21 AM

How exactly do you define 'fight'?

My hands never make contact to another person, I dont get into fights with anyone.

I simply oppose religion and believing in gad, along with the backward and intolleratnt culture that it brings with it.

People have a right to believe in religion, but in most cases, people only believe in religion because they are born into a religious family and are spoonfed religious bullshit all their lives.

Also, the whole idea of believing in religion is just a stupidity, as much as believing in fairies and unicorns would be as well. Why is that so many people still need to resort to believing in supernatural powers in this day and age? Religion is a coping mechanism used to 'beleive' in things that help one to understand the world and life. Simply because they cannot accept logical or intelligent reasoning makes them turn to believing in bullshit in order to cope with the world in which they live.

This to me is a mental disease and needs treating.

We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

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Reply #17 - July 05, 2009, 11:28 AM

I suppose we should ban religious beliefs, right ExHindu?

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Reply #18 - July 05, 2009, 12:06 PM

Quote from: Hassan on July 04, 2009, 08:27 PM
For example I do not see any reason why the Islam of most peaceful Muslims needs to be confronted.

Thats the delineation between religion and adherents. It is very difficult for many peopel to distinguish between the two, and many Muslims do feel under attack when the slightest criticism of Islam is proffered.

"we can smell traitors and country haters"

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Reply #19 - July 05, 2009, 12:12 PM

Quote from: Pazuzu on July 05, 2009, 10:08 AM
I wish you hadn't force-fed me that opinion :(

I did? sorry...

Quote from: ExHindu on July 05, 2009, 11:21 AM
How exactly do you define 'fight'?

i've believe i already did.
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Reply #20 - July 05, 2009, 01:32 PM

You cant ban a belief. But you can educate against it. For example, schools in China teach evolution and scientific reasons for our existence from an early age. On the other hand it is compulsory for religion to be taught in UK schools. If instead schools could teach humanism and scientific reasons for our existence from an early age, and completely remove religion from being taught to children, that would help quite a lot.

Though religion being banned from state, law, education and in public would be perfect, and also if the government didnt listen to the religious crybabies who want sharia courts and their women covered in human tents.

We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

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Reply #21 - July 05, 2009, 07:16 PM

We ought to ban fish balls. They don't taste good.

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