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  • New Muslim Cool
     OP - July 08, 2009, 05:17 PM

    What do you guys think of these new things where Muslims, under 40 generally, are trying to repackage themselves and the deen as hip, relevant, aware, etc.

    Some examples:

    The documentary on American public television New Muslim Cool which is about Muslim rappers.  http://www.newmuslimcool.com/

    Muslim hip hop in general

    Anything to do with that Hamza Yusuf bloke and his Zaytoonis

    In Britain, there are some people who call themselves Radical Middle Way and they have these panels and traveling lectures and things like that.  A recent one was on blogging.  They had one about "women's questions" about the deen and called it "Spiced Spare Ribs" which just made me cringe.  They're mostly young professionals.

    http://www.radicalmiddleway.co.uk/videos.php?id=53&art=53&vid=211 - this is a recent video from one of their panels

    The new Muslimah fashion.  http://www.hijabshigh.com/  http://welovehijab.com/

    An ex-Muslim I know described it as Muslims saying "We're like you, only dorkier!"  For me, I find it a little problematic for some reasons I don't want to get into, but generally because some of these people - a lot of them, actually - follow an  understanding of Islam that is very orthodox, very traditional. Hell, they are calling it "traditional Islam".  If you get behind the turban style hijab and you get behind Hamza's California cool attitude, you find some really retro ideas about women, non-Muslims, gays, and society in general. So I think that the image doesn't match with the reality sometimes. 

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  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #1 - July 08, 2009, 05:25 PM

    I know what you mean. Is it an attempt to make Islam seem more in tune with the modern world or an attempt to entice younger people to Islam? Or both?.

    And as for Muslim Hip-Hop, I was pretty sure that religion is considered Haram in all four major schools of thought, as this following hadith points out:

    `There will be people of my Ummah who will seek to make lawful; fornication, wine-drinking and the use of ma`aazif ( musical instruments ).`

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #2 - July 08, 2009, 05:33 PM

    What do you guys think of these new things where Muslims, under 40 generally, are trying to repackage themselves and the deen as hip, relevant, aware, etc.



    Regarding the 'new muslim cool' rap thing.

    It's just another manifestation of dawah. Dawah's impulse is to represent all that is good in the world, and claim that it is either derived from, similar to but secondary to, or just-like Islam. It could be another religion, lifestyle or culture. Either way, Islam presents itself by attatching itself to that thing, and then claiming it is a soft and gentle real alternative.

    What I find most interesting is how all consuming the dawah impulse is. Islam is asserted in dawah-istic terms in the media, even by non Muslims. The primacy of conversion is always there.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #3 - July 08, 2009, 05:34 PM

    RELIGION IS HARAAM! HAHA! THAT'S A NEW ONE! Cheesy

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #4 - July 08, 2009, 06:09 PM

    Thanks J4, seen as though everything seemed to get labelled as haraam, that's my new sig, with a slight modification

    My Book     news002       
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  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #5 - July 08, 2009, 06:10 PM

    Doesn't seem any different to me than the American phenomenon repackaging of conservative Christianity as "cool" for the under-40 set. The only difference would be is that it comes across as a little less phony with Muslims-- mostly because of the whole "oppression chic" kinda thing, and that Islam, in America at least, has had a strong historical intersection with the Black community, which has always been on the cutting edge of "cool" and new cultural/musical trends. I think it works for the Palestinian and Arab-Israeli rappers the best, because a lot of rap, since the mid-80s at least, lyrically has been about oppression and against "the man", and when Palestinians rhyme about that stuff, it's actually genuine.

    fuck you
  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #6 - July 08, 2009, 09:49 PM

    Thanks J4, seen as though everything seemed to get labelled as haraam, that's my new sig, with a slight modification


    Please, all thanks is due to aliadiere, though it seems nobody had noticed...

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #7 - July 08, 2009, 09:52 PM

    Lol, I said religion is considered haram, I meant music!

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #8 - July 08, 2009, 09:56 PM

    Lol, I said religion is considered haram, I meant music!

    You meant Islam is Haraam, so I'll credit you with my new custom title  Wink

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  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #9 - July 08, 2009, 09:59 PM

    Well, Islam is haram for most of us here anyway! As for music, not haram anymore, so no more guilt about listening to it!

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #10 - July 08, 2009, 10:07 PM

    You're right - I've changed it again with this revision  Wink

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  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #11 - July 09, 2009, 12:10 AM

    Doesn't seem any different to me than the American phenomenon repackaging of conservative Christianity as "cool" for the under-40 set.


    Yeah because they both intend to serve two purposes: keep the young people interested and get outsiders interested by showing them that "[religion] isn't dorky at all!"

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    The only difference would be is that it comes across as a little less phony with Muslims-- mostly because of the whole "oppression chic" kinda thing,


    I always felt it came off as very forced, at least in some corners.   Not all.  RMW to me is very forced, but some of the Muslim hip hop artists it feels like a genuine, organic expression of the self (which, lol,  makes it haraaaaaam b/c it makes it about the naffffffffs).

    I think there's a lot of confused 2nd gens out there too who are looking for some sort of "identity".  But it's like that ISNA group, one year they invited all these "Muslim taqwacore" bands to perform at the convention, not knowing that (a) a lot of  taqwacore bands really only have one Muslim member or just sing a few songs related to being Arab / Muslim / Asian and (b) the lyrics of the songs and the behavior would put these people out of the tent of Islam in the opinions of most Muslims.  There were a lot of  upset and outraged ISNA-goers that year who didn't realize that the convention entertainment was going to be to listen to a bunch of angst ridden suburban Desi kids singing "Siraj Wahaj is a fag and Rumi was too."  In that case, ISNA just thought -- Muslims + punk = instant appeal and cool cache. 

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    because a lot of rap, since the mid-80s at least, lyrically has been about oppression and against "the man", and when Palestinians rhyme about that stuff, it's actually genuine.


    Really... because when I hear any rap that isn't by Common or the Roots since 1999 it's all about big ballin' and booty shorts and crunkin'.  Or like peanut butter & jelly.  The rap from the early 90s though - that was definitely a lot of social consciousness and the use of Islamic imagery - although not Islamic per se b/c a lot of it was really 5%.  It was like the golden age of hip hop.  Or also, I am old so of course I think it was better (which it was). 

    [this space for rent]
  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #12 - July 09, 2009, 12:25 AM


    ^^^ All that Michael Muhammad Knight scene, did you read his novel?




    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #13 - July 09, 2009, 12:30 AM

    just sing a few songs related to being Arab / Muslim / Asian and (b) the lyrics of the songs and the behavior would put these people out of the tent of Islam in the opinions of most Muslims.


    Yeah, the parallels to Christian rock continue-- you could definitely say the same about bands like P.O.D. or Creed (and God do they suck).
      
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    Really... because when I hear any rap that isn't by Common or the Roots since 1999 it's all about big ballin' and booty shorts and crunkin'.  Or like peanut butter & jelly.  


    Sad, innit? I blame No Limit.

    But even some post-'99 rap, like Jay-Z and P. Shitty feel obliged to occasionally tip their hats to social consciousness/social justice, even if it's completely shallow and phoney.

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    The rap from the early 90s though - that was definitely a lot of social consciousness and the use of Islamic imagery - although not Islamic per se b/c a lot of it was really 5%.  It was like the golden age of hip hop.  Or also, I am old so of course I think it was better (which it was).  


    I'm with ya, although I'd say the entire period from Afrika Bambaataa all the way up to the deaths of Tupac and Biggie was the "golden age", or, at a minimum, between Grandmaster Flash and NWA's last album.

    Yeah, I'm 100% with Nas on this. There are very, very few bright spots out there for rap over the last decade. Occasionally Jay-Z would come out with something good amongst a whole bunch of crap he churned out, Eminem was good, Outkast, Common, the Roots, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, DMX (yeah, what the fuck, I'll throw him in there), and a few others who are past their prime but still putting out decent shit (Q-Tip, Slick Rick, etc.)-- it's been pretty much a wasteland in hip-hop. Compare that to the late 80s and early 90s where just about every mainstream song out there was great. Even the one-hit wonders-- Young MC, etc.-- were pretty fuckin great.

    Sad, real sad. And I miss Schoolly D. That fucker's so due for a comeback. Maybe I should be his manager-- I could make it happen.

    fuck you
  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #14 - July 09, 2009, 12:38 AM

    Outkast, FTW! Andre 3000 is so damn cool!



    What a smooth fashion sense, man! Hey Q-Man I didn't have you down as a hip-hop fan?

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #15 - July 09, 2009, 01:35 AM

    I missed the premier on PBS. Even as a muslim I would think this shit is corny. "Normally music's haram, or atleast makrooh, but since he's converted, it's our subversive dawa tool, so it's cool now, so clap along and act hip" Roll Eyes

    I'm probably gonna buy it so I can watch it, then donate it to the library- if I don't think it'll do dawa damage to some young impressionable thing.

    ^^^ All that Michael Muhammad Knight scene, did you read his novel?

    MMK is the shit, I own all his books. He (and the Taqwacores) ain't tryna convert nobody (to 'ad-Deen al-Islam', maybe to punk heresy). He's a heretic, murtad, zindeeq, and I love him. Afro

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #16 - July 09, 2009, 10:08 AM

    The Taqwacores is one of my favourit books of all time, right up there with Dune by Frank Herbert.

    Such a pity they felt they had to censor parts of it for the UK publication but I was able to order a copy direct from Alternative Tentacles from their website and they sent it to me from the States!  How cool is that?!

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #17 - July 09, 2009, 12:16 PM

    I found the Taqwacores novel was trying a little too hard to shock at times. They are making a movie of it, did you know?

    Michael Muhammad Knight is interesting to listen to his story. He seems to have undergone a spiritual crisis after converting to Islam, and had some real issues with Muhammad and his life. His writing seems to be an attempt to create a fictional space where doubting Muslims like himself can exist.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: New Muslim Cool
     Reply #18 - July 09, 2009, 12:52 PM

    That's what I love about Michael Muhammad Knight.  At least he has the balls to do so and not cave into the pressures of orthodoxy like most 'moderate' Muslims.

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
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