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  • Breasts!
     OP - July 14, 2009, 05:51 PM
    Why is it OK for men to bare their chests and it is a taboo for women to do so? Don't men have nipples and might even feel sexual pleasure if their sexual partner touches or kisses them?

    In Rural African or Amazonian tribes both men and women could be seen to walk chest naked!! So is it possible that it all started because of religion?



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  • Re: Breasts!
     Reply #1 - July 14, 2009, 05:53 PM
    More like weather to start off with lol, for most of the year in the uk it would be too cold to go topless, but I think shame for our bodies did come with abrahamic religions after that.
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  • Re: Breasts!
     Reply #2 - July 14, 2009, 05:59 PM
    The natural habitat of humans is the rainforest. If you look at indigenous hunter-gatherer societies who live in rainforests, the majority of them are naked or nearly naked. The great thing about humans is we moved out of our natural habitat, and although most species would have died out in these conditions, humans figured out how to adapt and survive, and clothing was a big part of that.

    As for dressing in a "moral" and "modest" way, it is all relative. If somebody in London dressed in the same way as a member of the Wayapi tribe from the Amazon rainforest, their dress would be considered immodest. If a woman in Saudi Arabia dressed in the same way as a woman in London, her dress would be considered immodest. I feel it is hugely arrogant to say what is a modest and what is an immodest way of dressing.
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  • Re: Breasts!
     Reply #3 - July 14, 2009, 06:02 PM
    I saw a programme on tv a while ago, it was part of a series called 'Tribal Wives' where they take average British women and they live for a time with a tribe in the Amazon or the Sahara or wherever.  One women was sent to live with a Hausa tribe in Africa and the women of the tribe were telling her how until recently they had gone around bare chested even though they were Muslim but had started recently wearing tops due to the creeping influence of Wahhabi Islam.  I hope they won't be sporting burqas anytime soon!

    I agree that it should be just as illegal for men to parade about topless as it is for women.  First because most men who do go around without shirts on should not as it is purely disgusting to have to look at someone's pot belly, hairy nipples and crappy tattoos when filling up the tank or getting groceries.  Secondly, it's just plain not fair!
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  • Re: Breasts!
     Reply #4 - July 14, 2009, 06:28 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on July 14, 2009, 05:53 PM
    ...More like weather to start off with lol, for most of the year in the uk it would be too cold to go topless...



    Quote from: aliadiere on July 14, 2009, 05:59 PM
    ....humans figured out how to adapt and survive, and clothing was a big part of that...

    ....If somebody in London dressed in the same way as a member of the Wayapi tribe from the Amazon rainforest, their dress would be considered immodest.....


    I am talking about the double standard we see when it comes to being topless. I mentioned in one of the previous threads that I once saw a Saudi couple walking down Oxford street in London few summers back.... the woman was covered from top to toe black in black and not a single opening for respiration, while the man was in shorts and T-shirts walking beside her licking ice cream....

    Same here, in a soccer match (in summer time) you will definitely see a man chest naked, but if a girl does that she will guaranteed be on Page 3 of the SUN!! and in the news they will be covering her breast s with a black rectangle implicating an immoral thing!!
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  • Re: Breasts!
     Reply #5 - July 14, 2009, 06:44 PM
    Many places you wouldn't expect allow toplessness. Sadly, not many women exercize their rights.

    http://www.gotopless.org/news.php?item.3.1
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  • Re: Breasts!
     Reply #6 - July 14, 2009, 07:30 PM
    I am not a prude and I have no problem with what anyone wears - but I personally do like at least a little mystery and room for one's imagination  grin12
  • Re: Breasts!
     Reply #7 - July 14, 2009, 07:49 PM
    Quote from: Submissive Bob on July 14, 2009, 06:44 PM
    Many places you wouldn't expect allow toplessness. Sadly, not many women exercize their rights.

    http://www.gotopless.org/news.php?item.3.1




    Thanks for the link! .... interesting indeed!!!

    In 1995, 5 women went topless in the Colombus, OH Gay Pride parade, were arrested and later released. The charges were dropped one month later. Indeed, in the Ohio Law statute, breasts are not considered "private parts". Therefore, women exposing their breasts in public is not considered indecent exposure. In 1998, 3 of the women who had been arrested 3 years earlier, sued the city of Columbus for false arrest and won their case . They were paid $15,000 in total for damages.
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  • Re: Breasts!
     Reply #8 - July 14, 2009, 07:54 PM
    I think the forbidden breast issue is similar to the hair covering issue for Muslims! I mean it is OK for men to show their hair and forbidden for women to do the same!!

      
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  • Re: Breasts!
     Reply #9 - July 14, 2009, 07:59 PM
    Why do men have nipples?
    By Dr. Mehran Sam PhD

    Humans are mammals like cats and monkeys and similar to other
    mammalian species only females generally nurse the young through their
    nipples with the milk prodcued in their mammary glands. So do men need
    nipples? or why men have nipples in the first place?

    It's a less known fact that men's breasts and nipples are just as
    functional as the female counterparts. If they take or for dietary
    reasons produce some extra doses of female hormones, men can also
    lactate just like females do. It has been suggested that male
    breastfeeding can even lead to emotional bonding between a child and
    the father as well    .

     Huh?
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  • Re: Breasts!
     Reply #10 - July 15, 2009, 01:13 AM
    Im not sure if that is true, but it might be .

    Men have nipples because all embryos begin life as bipotential, meaning that every embryo can develop into either male or female. Nipple growth begins before the Y chromosome masculinises the foetus to develop male organs while inhibiting female organs from developing. Absence of the Y chromosome leads to female development. Defective genes, mutations, or duplication or replication of the sex genes from Y to X, or X to Y chromosomes can lead to physical bigener development (hermaphroditism), in very rare cases it is possible for a human to have breast, ovarian and testicular tissue, with a combination of male and female genitalia anywhere in between having an enlarged clitoris resembling a penis, or a penis with a small vaginal hole.    

    Not sure about a normal XY male becoming able to lactate with female hormones, but I think it might be true with the transgender treatments that can happen, but we didnt study those on my degree, just midwifery, the embryonic development, genitals and hermaphrodites.

    Biology can be fun :p.

    On topic, it is considered socially taboo for women to go topless because that rule was made by dominative men in olden days. It isnt just about clothes being worn when its cold, when the weather is hot, men can walk around in nothing but shorts, but women have to cover their breasts up. Also, many religious people consider  women dressed in bikinis to be sluts, but the nearly naked man in just his shorts is not. Strange mentality.  

    They often use the line 'how would you like your mother or sister walking around like that?'

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

    you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both

    - Maryam Namaze
  • Re: Breasts!
     Reply #11 - July 15, 2009, 09:00 AM
    Britain needs to organise a top-free protest.
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  • Breasts!
     Reply #12 - August 28, 2013, 07:52 PM
    Quote from: Nour on July 14, 2009, 06:02 PM
    I saw a programme on tv a while ago, it was part of a series called 'Tribal Wives' where they take average British women and they live for a time with a tribe in the Amazon or the Sahara or wherever.One women was sent to live with a Hausa tribe in Africa and the women of the tribe were telling her how until recently they had gone around bare chested even though they were Muslim but had started recently wearing tops due to the creeping influence of Wahhabi Islam.  I hope they won't be sporting burqas anytime soon!


    I was about to say something similar to this bold part but you beat me to it Grin

    Its true, My grand uncle have some of the old photos of Hausa women walking bare chested back in 40s and it was considered as norm back then, not only Hausas even now there are some nomadic Fulani women around the central and southern part of Nigeria(where there is no Islamic influence) that walk around barechested especially if you are travelling on the road, you will see them by the roadside.
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  • Breasts!
     Reply #13 - August 28, 2013, 07:59 PM
    I know in England, New York and Canada it's legal. I imagine it's the same for a number of other places.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Breasts!
     Reply #14 - August 28, 2013, 08:00 PM
    **Books flight to Nigeria**
  • Breasts!
     Reply #15 - August 28, 2013, 08:22 PM
    Cheesy
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Breasts!
     Reply #16 - August 28, 2013, 08:33 PM
    Quite ironic how Nigerian authorities and the schools/varsities are trying to ban indecent dressing because its "unafrican" when people used to walk around bare chested before the colonialists and missionaries came in. Roll Eyes
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Breasts!
     Reply #17 - August 28, 2013, 09:11 PM
    Unafrican?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Breasts!
     Reply #18 - August 28, 2013, 09:39 PM
    It means it doesnt conform with the "African" values, they think being gay and wearing an indecent dress is part of western lifestyle hence why they consider it as "unafrican". LOL
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Breasts!
     Reply #19 - August 28, 2013, 09:41 PM
    I know what it means, I'm just flabbergasted it would be considered unafrican.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Breasts!
     Reply #20 - August 28, 2013, 09:44 PM
    IKR! The most idiotic term I have ever heard.
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Breasts!
     Reply #21 - September 07, 2013, 07:12 PM
    Breasts have been sexualised and have been for a long time.

    They are, whether we like it or not, a sexual thingymebob.

    I do not want my kids seeing them any more than seeing any other sexual organ outside of an educational context.

    That is why women should atleast wear a bra like type (atleast) when going out.

    Do women find hairy chests so sexy that it makes them have 'hard on' equivalnet?
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Breasts!
     Reply #22 - September 08, 2013, 10:23 AM
    I agree with Jedi to an extent, I perceive breasts as a private part, sexual anatomy if you will. I don't follow this desire to be the same as men, Womens bodies are different to mens, I am different in certain ways and not in others ( don't worry I'm not gonna go tell you every bit of your skin is different lol). So in general public I would take the view to cover them. However then I consider when it comes to breast feeding etc I see them differently, perhaps discretely but if your in public and your need to feed your child, if a man gets a hard on that's his problem because that is their other purpose.

    I do think it is dependent on culture also, like someone else said, in some tribes men aren't constantly erect because there are women with their breasts out. Living in the UK breasts are seen as a sexual thing.

    I'm not sure what my hard on equivalent would be,  but if a man with a six pack, pecs and sexy arms was all bare, my eyes may pop out my head a bit, raise in heart beat, I personally would probably try to look away because I'm in the habit from the Muslimyness. And the same way I don't really want to be seeing some hairy rolls all out. So though a mans chest may not be associated with sexual anatomy, it can still arouse or repulse women, so they can cover their shit too.
    "Make anyone believe their own knowledge and logic is insufficient and you'll have a puppet susceptible to manipulation."
  • Breasts!
     Reply #23 - September 08, 2013, 10:30 AM
    Quote from: Jedi on September 07, 2013, 07:12 PM
    Breasts have been sexualised and have been for a long time.


    Good point Jedi .,  Well Go back in time  and de-sexualise  damn things....  ...breast .. face..eyes..dicks.. and what not ...,   but leave the brain alone..

    Well important thing is Men need to learn to de-sexualise .. de-control.. de-home maker.. de..de.. de.. the woman folks..  I see that no CEMB woman folks are participating in this thread
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Breasts!
     Reply #24 - September 08, 2013, 10:34 AM
    Ahem... I am female
    "Make anyone believe their own knowledge and logic is insufficient and you'll have a puppet susceptible to manipulation."
  • Breasts!
     Reply #25 - September 08, 2013, 10:35 AM
    Are not brains, and the ways they are seen - eyes, facial expressions, words, how one moves, touches and dances, the critical factors?
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Breasts!
     Reply #26 - September 08, 2013, 10:48 AM
    Quote
    Are not brains, and the ways they are seen - eyes, facial expressions, words, how one moves, touches and dances, the critical factors?


    ^^^^^^

    Are you asking me or my dick?

     dance
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Breasts!
     Reply #27 - September 08, 2013, 01:24 PM
    Quote from: moi on September 08, 2013, 10:35 AM
    Are not brains, and the ways they are seen - eyes, facial expressions, words, how one moves, touches and dances, the critical factors?

    Quote from: Jedi on September 08, 2013, 10:48 AM
    ^^^^^^

    Are you asking me or my dick?


    Jedi.. DJ..  we must realize here that neither DICK     works nor"eyes, facial expressions, words, how one moves, touches and dances" etc..etc... work.,  NOTHING WORKS WITHOUT THAT BRAIN.. they all are under control of that soft brown tissue under the skull.  Any ways
    Quote from: Jibbs on September 08, 2013, 10:34 AM
    Ahem... I am female

     Oopps     So Jibbs is two.  and That "SAHARA"  the lady Berber  is one.,    So Jibbs who else you think are the girls in this thread??
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Breasts!
     Reply #28 - September 08, 2013, 02:48 PM
    Haven't a clue, I think Nour is female from past posts... so three
    "Make anyone believe their own knowledge and logic is insufficient and you'll have a puppet susceptible to manipulation."
  • Breasts!
     Reply #29 - September 08, 2013, 04:00 PM
    Isn't looking at breasts supposed to be a calming for men?

    Every time women are topless in public for the first hour men are taking pictures and/or staring but then got used to it apparently. I'm going by what other people say.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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