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  • Another Infidel joins
     OP - July 24, 2009, 08:27 PM
    hi I am 18 years old I finished my A levels a month ago I have been a muslim all my life until a few months ago in biology class we were discussing evolution. Some atheist boy said he believed in evolution and I told him it was just a theory that has not been proved ( I knew nothing about evolution I just told him what I heard from another muslim) after a little argument we dropped it and continued with our lesson. when I got home at the end of the day I went on the internet and looked at some creationism stuff and read some Harun Yahya so I could co back the next day and tell this boy why evolution was wrong. I wanted to know why this boy believed in evolution so I started to read about evolution the more I read the more I was convinced and it made sense by this time creationism started to sound like a pile of old shit so I started to doubt creationism once I done that I started to doubt Islam, I stopped prying and gradually lost my faith in Islam. Now I am a closet atheist no one knows this at home I pretend to pray and when anyone asks have you prayed? I just say yes
    "When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me."
  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #1 - July 24, 2009, 08:47 PM
    Hello Malik and welcome to the forum.   Smiley

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    creationism started to sound like a pile of old shit


    It is a pile of old shit, isn't it?  That's the thing that constantly amazes me about creationism - how stupid it is, it's like religion for dumbasses. 
    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #2 - July 24, 2009, 09:26 PM
    Cool. Welcome!
    fuck you
  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #3 - July 24, 2009, 10:14 PM
    You're story sounds very similiar to a lot round here.  Its a difficult stage to go through at the beginning, like you have lost your footing.  You will probably go though doubt, and lots of ups & downs, feel like a hypocrite, get involved in lots of arguments, a real rollercoaster.  Stay true to yourself and do what you think is right (take a look at humanism if you feel a vacuum after losing your belief system). Afro
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  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #4 - July 24, 2009, 10:18 PM
    Hi Malik. Welcome to the forum.

    Harun Yahya's books are ridiculous. They are totally full of basic errors. There's even a thread about them here somewhere. 
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  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #5 - July 24, 2009, 10:36 PM
    Welcome Malik

    You might like this article

    http://u.tv/News/The-truth-about-Arab-science/700396f5-086d-4dad-90b1-5b753b86dbd8

    Also check out Hassan's videos.
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  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #6 - July 24, 2009, 10:38 PM
    Yep, you can find Hassan videos here http://www.youtube.com/user/discussislam?gl=GB&hl=en-GB
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  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #7 - July 24, 2009, 11:28 PM
    Hi Malik - welcome.

    Probably best to keep it to yourself for now, for two reasons. Firstly so that you do not expose yourself or your family to unnecessary danger, hurt, friction etc... Secondly so you can grow, learn, read and discover yourself better and be more confident in who you are and what you believe or don't believe.

    I hope this forum can help you explore the thoughts and questions you may have.


  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #8 - July 25, 2009, 12:48 AM
    I always disagree with Hassan on this point.  But I was straight up from the beginning and never lied about my beliefs, and glad I did as most people had a softer landing by the time I was a fully fledged non-believer. 

    However I acknowledge everyones situation is different, so analyse that aspect from your own environment.  Its not easy whichever way you go.
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  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #9 - July 25, 2009, 06:35 AM
    Hello and welcome...

    I think you did the right thing going for the scientific proof. The Quran is always said to be the true words of god and that it is full of scientific facts, but the more you read the more you find out that it is just a repetitive and copied writings of Muhamed and his Cusion Waraka Ibn Nawfal. I think that Muhamed was an extremely clever and self-taught person who have very good knowledge of previous major religions. Also, I think that his first Wife "khadija" who was a very succesful buisnesswoman was involved in the invention of the whole story.
    ...
  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #10 - July 25, 2009, 10:04 AM
    If you're interested, amongst Hassans video's, there is one on the scientific miracles debunked..
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  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #11 - July 25, 2009, 12:22 PM
    Hello Malik an welcome to the realm of reason!

     Greetings
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  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #12 - July 25, 2009, 09:25 PM
    sorry for the late reply and thanks for the welcome and advice. I will be keeping my beliefs to myself for the time being and my family are proper muslims so I don't know how they will take it if I told them I was an atheist.


    Quote from: IsLame on July 24, 2009, 10:38 PM
    Yep, you can find Hassan videos here

     I didn't know this channel belonged to a user in here I have been there before and I love your videos Hassan keep up the good work Afro
    "When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me."
  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #13 - July 25, 2009, 10:46 PM
    Welcome Malik Smiley
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  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #14 - July 26, 2009, 03:51 AM
    Welcome Malik,
    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #15 - July 26, 2009, 11:45 AM
     finmad
    please read my blog, read how islam will win
    the clash of civilization.

    http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #16 - July 26, 2009, 11:51 AM
    whats your avatar a picture of?
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  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #17 - July 26, 2009, 11:58 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on July 24, 2009, 08:47 PM
    Hello Malik and welcome to the forum.   Smiley

    It is a pile of old shit, isn't it?  That's the thing that constantly amazes me about creationism - how stupid it is, it's like religion for dumbasses. 


    That is because Abiogenesis is clearly explained as the start of life correct?
  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #18 - July 26, 2009, 01:10 PM
    What about abiogenesis?

    Firstly, abiogenesis is not covered under the evolution theory, which covers progression of living organisms

    Secondly, a gap in knowledge should only spur more research, not us giving up and raising our hands to some Leprechaun in the sky.

    Thirdly, What gap of knowledge are you referring to? We successfully created living matter from inanimate matter in a lab. It is done. We created living matter in 1953.

    Fourth, It only took a week for the guys in white coats to create amino-acids in a vat,

    Fifth: Since then, thousands of lab technicians built amino-acids just for the chance to get to play god for few days.

    Here is what the men in white said:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment
    Quote
    "At the end of one week of continuous operation, Miller and Urey observed that as much as 10?15% of the carbon within the system was now in the form of organic compounds. Two percent of the carbon had formed amino acids that are used to make proteins in living cells, with glycine as the most abundant. Sugars, lipids, and some of the building blocks for nucleic acids were also formed.

    In an interview, Stanley Miller stated: "Just turning on the spark in a basic pre-biotic experiment will yield 11 out of 20 amino acids."[8]



    The only contention is whether life was created on earth or whether it was brought on by meteors. The contention is not whether abiogenesis is possible or not. Abiogensis had been demonstrated for 60 years now. So go chill and have a glass of wine, nothing will happen to you.

    Now Shadow, whoever fed you the story about abiogenesis, you have a duty to go back, investigate who wrote it, and reduce the reliability and credibility of everything else they sourced for you.


    "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"
  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #19 - July 26, 2009, 07:56 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on July 26, 2009, 11:51 AM
    whats your avatar a picture of?


    its a logo for the invisible pink unicorn for some reason I am not allowed to post the link to wikipedia
    "When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me."
  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #20 - July 26, 2009, 07:59 PM
    Stick w\ the good work ;

    welcome...Smiley
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  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #21 - July 27, 2009, 05:52 AM
    Baal If you want I will start a thread about abiogenesis.
  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #22 - July 27, 2009, 07:13 AM
    Do you know anything about it?
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  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #23 - July 27, 2009, 07:54 AM
    A lot of interesting theories, yet no one could explain how life originated.
  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #24 - July 27, 2009, 07:57 AM
    That's because nobody yet knows, not even the creationists who pretend to know.
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  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #25 - July 27, 2009, 08:54 AM
    Quote from: shadowq8 on July 27, 2009, 07:54 AM
    A lot of interesting theories, yet no one could explain how life originated.

    Can you explan how Gods life originated? 
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  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #26 - July 27, 2009, 09:00 AM
    He is the creator of which no one created him,

    The Alpha and the omega, the supreme being. He is god.

    You are the created, you are here are you not ?
  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #27 - July 27, 2009, 09:02 AM
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    You are the created, you are here are you not ?


    And according to you God is also here.  If something being in existence is evidence that it was created, then that applies to God too.
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  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #28 - July 27, 2009, 09:03 AM
    you did not answer the question - dont you know the answer?
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  • Re: Another Infidel joins
     Reply #29 - July 27, 2009, 09:04 AM
    Quote from: Cheetah on July 27, 2009, 09:02 AM
    And according to you God is also here.  If something being in existence is evidence that it was created, then that applies to God too.

    Good point  Cheesy
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