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  • Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     OP - July 26, 2009, 09:07 PM


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhLZN2G81yk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fforum09%2Efaithfreedom%2Eorg%2Fviewtopic%2Ephp%3Ff%3D4%26t%3D3248&feature=player_embedded

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #1 - July 26, 2009, 09:30 PM

    I do like Bill Maher, but that is actually really racist. There is no way he would get away with that over here.

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #2 - July 26, 2009, 09:54 PM

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    I do like Bill Maher, but that is actually really racist.


    No. I don't think so.
  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #3 - July 26, 2009, 10:04 PM

    I do like Bill Maher, but that is actually really racist. There is no way he would get away with that over here.

    Islam is not a race

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #4 - July 26, 2009, 10:08 PM

    Interesting point about higher rates of breast cancer in SA.  Women less likely to go to a male doctor for examination, less female doctors proportionally - another pertinent example of where Islamic culture can lead to an early death. 

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #5 - July 26, 2009, 10:14 PM

    No, that was not at all racist and frankly I found it bloody hilarious. In fact I'd call it a damned good bit of satire. The burkha and abaya and the attitudes of those who promote them should be ridiculed IMHO.

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #6 - July 26, 2009, 10:51 PM

    That is not racist, but I can reckon that some people would still call him Racist and / or Islamophobic for doing that.

    We keep hearing about how Jack Straw or the French government have mentioned the veil and our doing so puts us in the same boat as them. How so? I want a ban on the burka, neqab and child veiling.

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #7 - July 27, 2009, 12:47 AM

    Islam is not a race


    Ugh-- that's parsing words. He meant to say bigoted.

    In any event, I don't agree with him. Bill Mahr is like Pat Condell, except not as mean-spirited, and, ya know, actually funny. I don't think he's bigoted at all. He's just not a cultural relativist. For what it's worth, he's been against the Iraq War from the beginning and has been generally critical of US intervention in the Muslim world.

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #8 - July 27, 2009, 06:20 AM

    Islam is not a race


    Yet still many people still associate it as such.
  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #9 - July 27, 2009, 09:30 AM

    Ugh-- that's parsing words. He meant to say bigoted.

    Not really, it brings different connotation to the discussion when you start using words like 'racist' i.e. labelling everyone with the same brush, rather than going for an ideology. 

    By choosing a different word like 'bigoted' makes it less offensive, and just means opinionated, a statement which I believe is more appropriate.

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #10 - July 27, 2009, 11:57 AM

    No, that was not at all racist and frankly I found it bloody hilarious. In fact I'd call it a damned good bit of satire. The burkha and abaya and the attitudes of those who promote them should be ridiculed IMHO.


    Its not what he was poking fun at, I agree with what he was satirising. I just thought the way in which it was done was a bit out of order and patronising towards Muslim women.

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #11 - July 27, 2009, 12:03 PM

    Mmm. Don't really think so. I mean how are you going to take the piss out of the burkha without taking the piss out of people who wear it? The burkha itself is patronising towards Muslim women. Come to think of it most Muslim women don't even wear it so the satire was only targeting a minority,

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #12 - July 27, 2009, 12:11 PM

    The burkha itself is more than just patronising to Muslim women! I just didn't like statements like "walking five paces behind your husband" - These are stereotypes and not satirising anything.

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #13 - July 27, 2009, 12:15 PM

    Its what the burqa symbolises, its dehumanising by its nature so it will give rise to those kinds of stereotypes.

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #14 - July 27, 2009, 12:16 PM

    Well not really IMO, because in some places which also enforce the burkha or abaya women are expected to walk behind their husbands. So it's a fact rather than a stereotype.

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #15 - July 27, 2009, 12:59 PM



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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #16 - July 27, 2009, 01:23 PM

    Bill Maher is a funny guy, I always keep up

    He does take things a bit far sometimes, for example he always exalts marijuana and this pisses me off, he also constantly talks about sex explicitly and I'm not a prude but it doesn't make anything funnier if you do it all the time.

    This sketch is just him taking things too far, I don't think it's fair to call it racist because it's not directed towards any ethnicity or racial group, it's just an attitude towards the Burqa discussed in a non-intellectual way, some of it is truth and some of it is bullshit but I know for a fact that Bill Maher is not a racist, he also called people like Robert Spencer and GW offensive and far right which would show by most standards that he is not an """"Islamaphobe"""" (I used a lot of quote marks because I'm scared of handling that term-it's very vague and controversial).

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #17 - July 27, 2009, 03:57 PM

    While we are on Burqas here is an interesting OPED

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    Ban the Burqa

    By MONA ELTAHAWY

    Published: July 2, 2009

    NEW YORK ? I am a Muslim, I am a feminist and I detest the full-body veil, known as a niqab or burqa. It erases women from society and has nothing to do with Islam but everything to do with the hatred for women at the heart of the extremist ideology that preaches it.

    We must not sacrifice women at the altar of political correctness or in the name of fighting a growingly powerful right wing that Muslims face in countries where they live as a minority.

    As disagreeable as I often find French President Nicolas Sarkozy, he was right when he said recently, ?The burqa is not a religious sign, it is a sign of the subjugation, of the submission of women. I want to say solemnly that it will not be welcome on our territory.? It should not be welcome anywhere, I would add.

    Yet his words have inspired attempts to defend the indefensible ? the erasure of women.

    Some have argued that Sarkozy?s right-leaning, anti-Muslim bias was behind his opposition to the burqa. But I would remind them of comments in 2006 by the then-British House of Commons leader Jack Straw, who said the burqa prevents communication. He was right, and he was hardly a right-winger ? and yet he too was attacked for daring to speak out against the burqa.

    The racism and discrimination that Muslim minorities face in many countries ? such as France, which has the largest Muslim community in Europe, and Britain, where two members of the xenophobic British National Party were shamefully elected to the European Parliament ? are very real.

    But the best way to support Muslim women would be to say we oppose both racist Islamophobes and the burqa. We?ve been silent on too many things out of fear we?ll arm the right wing.
    The best way to debunk the burqa as an expression of Muslim faith is to listen to Muslims who oppose it. At the time of Mr. Straw?s comments, a controversy erupted when a university dean in Egypt warned students they would not be able to stay at college dorms unless they removed their burqa. The dean cited security grounds, saying that men disguised as women in burqa could slip into the female dorms.

    Soad Saleh, a professor of Islamic law and former dean of the women?s faculty of Islamic studies at Al-Azhar University ? hardly a liberal, said the burqa had nothing to do with Islam. It was but an old Bedouin tradition.

    It is sad to see a strange ambivalence toward the burqa from many of my fellow Muslims and others who claim to support us. They will take on everything ? the right wing, Islamophobia, Mr. Straw, Mr. Sarkozy ? rather than come out and plainly state that the burqa is an affront to Muslim women.

    I blame such reluctance on the success of the ultra-conservative Salafi ideology ? practiced most famously in Saudi Arabia ? in leaving its imprimatur on Islam globally by persuading too many Muslims that it is the purest and highest form of our faith.

    It?s one thing to argue about the burqa in a country like Saudi Arabia ? where I lived for six years and where women are treated like children ? but it is utterly dispiriting to have those same arguments in a country where women?s rights have long been enshrined. When I first saw a woman in a burqa in Copenhagen I was horrified.

    I wore a headscarf for nine years. An argument I had on the Cairo subway with a woman who wore a burqa helped seal for good my refusal to defend it. Dressed in black from head to toe, the woman asked me why I did not wear the burqa. I pointed to my headscarf and asked her ?Is this not enough??

    ?If you wanted a piece of candy, would you choose an unwrapped piece or one that came in a wrapper?? she asked.

    ?I am not candy,? I answered. ?Women are not candy.?

    I have since heard arguments made for the burqa in which the woman is portrayed as a diamond ring or a precious stone that needs to be hidden to prove her ?worth.? Unless we challenge it, the burqa ? and by extension the erasure of women ? becomes the pinnacle of piety.

    It is not about comparing burqas to bikinis, as some claim. I used to compare my headscarf to a miniskirt, the two being essentially two sides to the same coin of a woman?s body. The burqa is something else altogether: A woman who wears it is erased.

    A bizarre political correctness has tied the tongues of those who would normally rally to women?s rights. One blogger, a woman, lamented that ?Sarkozy?s anti-burqa stance deprives women of identity.? It?s precisely the opposite: It?s the burqa that deprives a woman of identity.

    Why do women in Muslim-minority communities wear the burqa? Sarkozy touched on one reason when he admitted his country?s integration model wasn?t working any more because it doesn?t give immigrants and their French-born children a fair chance.

    But the Muslim community must ask itself the same question: Why the silence as some of our women fade into black either as a form of identity politics, a protest against the state or out of acquiescence to Salafism?

    As a Muslim woman and a feminist I would ban the burqa.

    Mona Eltahawy is an Egyptian-born commentator on Arab and Muslim issues.


    Bolding by me for Hassan?s benefit since he has often expressed this fear.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/03/opinion/03iht-edeltahawy.html?ref=global

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #18 - July 27, 2009, 04:13 PM

    Bill Maher is a funny guy, I always keep up

    He does take things a bit far sometimes, for example he always exalts marijuana and this pisses me off, he also constantly talks about sex explicitly and I'm not a prude but it doesn't make anything funnier if you do it all the time.

    This sketch is just him taking things too far, I don't think it's fair to call it racist because it's not directed towards any ethnicity or racial group, it's just an attitude towards the Burqa discussed in a non-intellectual way, some of it is truth and some of it is bullshit but I know for a fact that Bill Maher is not a racist, he also called people like Robert Spencer and GW offensive and far right which would show by most standards that he is not an """"Islamaphobe"""" (I used a lot of quote marks because I'm scared of handling that term-it's very vague and controversial).

    Rant mode off.


    I agree with you entirely there. I know he is not a racist and he is a very funny, intelligent lad. I just thought this was a bit too edgy and was just playing up to stereotypes.

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #19 - July 27, 2009, 04:17 PM

    It was edgey.  But did you smile while you watched it?

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #20 - July 27, 2009, 04:27 PM

    Course I did, I do have a sense of humour!

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #21 - July 27, 2009, 06:37 PM

    While we are on Burqas here is an interesting OPED

    Bolding by me for Hassan?s benefit since he has often expressed this fear.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/03/opinion/03iht-edeltahawy.html?ref=global


    Good article - and I take your point in the sentence you bolded  Afro

    I definitely agree with many of the things she says, but I still don't agree with banning it.

    As a bit of an aside - my own personal experience with the Niqab was mainly at Islamia School where they were mainly educated, young confident and outspoken British Muslims (some converts some born UK Muslims).

    They were definitely not suppressed or downtrodden and most could eat their husbands alive!

    The reason they wore Niqab was purely ideological (Salafi/Wahhabi) - it was a religious statement (even a political statement.).

    So I have to say that whenever I hear talk of oppressed, subjugated women - I do wince a little.

    Yes I know they are victims of an ideology that is extremely misogynistic and it allows many to be oppressed etc...

    But it is not a simplistic "poor Muslim women" issue - as some try to portray it.
  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #22 - July 27, 2009, 07:15 PM

    Comments from the Muslim on niqab in the article:

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    "If you wanted a piece of candy, would you choose an unwrapped piece or one that came in a wrapper?" she asked.

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #23 - July 27, 2009, 08:29 PM

    It's starting to get annoying now how so many people think banning everything will solve the world's ills.

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #24 - July 27, 2009, 08:35 PM

    I can't help but think that her stance to ban the burka is purely a PR stunt that many moderate Muslims employ to try and get themselves to be more accepted in Western society. It reminds me of when the Islamic society at Oxford university joined the Jewish society in banning the debate where David Irving was an invited guest. It was a PR stunt for sure.

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #25 - October 19, 2009, 05:56 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tRpbkpNpgw&feature=rec-fav-watch-cur_emp-exp_fresh+div

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #26 - October 19, 2009, 08:18 PM

    love the way he always refers to God as 'an imaginary friend'

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #27 - October 20, 2009, 12:48 AM

    That was a nice, fun little interview.  Afro

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  • Re: Bill Maher - Burka fashion show
     Reply #28 - October 20, 2009, 12:24 PM

    great video , really cracked me up  Afro

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