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 Topic: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)

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  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #30 - July 30, 2009, 08:20 PM

    The bloke was trying to point out my error, until I told him I was just joking!

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #31 - July 30, 2009, 08:23 PM

    At least you had a sense of humour, although I have heard they are makruh....

    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #32 - July 30, 2009, 08:26 PM

    what is makruh? jokes?

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #33 - July 30, 2009, 08:27 PM

    I was just messing around, although I do know laughing too much is discouraged.

    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #34 - July 30, 2009, 08:29 PM

    Everything is discouraged.

    "If you're happy and you know it, its a sin"

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #35 - July 30, 2009, 08:32 PM

    But it is a trying to be arab thing though. Muhammad was a very arab person. He dressed like an arab, he had arab customs etc. So to try and be like Muhammad is to try to be like the best arab.


    Not really.  The point is that they are not trying to be Arab, but more like Muhammed.  It just so happened Mo was arab by default, so by emulating him they will inevitably adopt part of his culture.  

    Had Mo been British, I am sure the Taliban would be walking around in 3 piece pin-striped suits and bowler hats.

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  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #36 - July 30, 2009, 08:33 PM

    Not really.  The point is that they are not trying to be Arab, but more like Muhammed.  It just so happened Mo was arab by default, so by emulating him they will inevitably adopt part of his culture. 

    Had Mo been British, I am sure the Taliban would be walking around in 3 piece pin-striped suits and bowler hats.


    Had Mo been from the Amazon rainforest, I'm sure the Taliban would be walking around with a piece of string tied round their waists and with pierced noses!

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #37 - July 30, 2009, 08:34 PM

    Good point but some people take it too far, for example wearing a thawb, using a miswak, trying not to laugh too much (hadith) I've even heard of some people trying to eat a lot of certain foods because they are mentioned in Hadith as foods the prophet enjoyed, for example, dates, honey and even butternut squash (which was one of the prophets favourite foods)

    I mean, c'mon  Cheesy!

    I remember my dad justifying not eating at the table when we had a large gathering, by saying it was sunnat to eat on the floor!

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  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #38 - July 30, 2009, 08:34 PM

    Did he just do that because you can fit more people on the floor than on the table?

    Religion - The hot potato that looked delicious but ended up burning your mouth!

    Knock your head on the ground, don't be miserly in your prayers, listen to your Sidi Sheikh, Allahu Akbar! - Lounes Matoub
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #39 - July 30, 2009, 08:36 PM

    Yep, we did it for practical reasons but justified it on the basis of spiritual ones.

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  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #40 - July 30, 2009, 08:42 PM

    No surprises there!

    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #41 - July 30, 2009, 08:54 PM

    what is makruh? jokes?


    Actually I've been told that any jokes where you tell an untruth is haram - only jokes that are true are allowed. (making 99% of jokes haram as they are based on fictitious - untrue - premis)

    But when the prophet joked to an old woman that only young ppl will enter heaven - it was true as he later explained she would be made young again.

    Yeah, nice one Mo! Your a real comedian.  Afro Bet she laughed her head off.
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #42 - July 30, 2009, 08:56 PM

    I remember that one!

    As I read the Hadith I could see the tears etched on the face of a woman who has probably spent her life in persuit of an afterlife only to be crushed by her idol-even for 10 seconds, something like that must be quite heartbreaking.

    Although the stuff he said afterwards was pretty quick thinking, I must admit.

    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #43 - July 30, 2009, 09:12 PM

    Quote from: IsLame
    I remember my dad justifying not eating at the table when we had a large gathering, by saying it was sunnat to eat on the floor!


    Some of my in-laws will not eat with a fork and knife because it is sunnah to eat with the right hand.  Then again, they are Bengali and Bengalis are the masters rolling rice-balls and popping them into their mouths all with the first 3 fingers of the right hand but you are right, most Muslims take all this sunnah business way too far.

    What really gets me is when Asian Muslims insist on covering up their beautiful saris or shalwaar kameez with butt-ugly raincoats or burqas, and then keeping them on even when they are indoors!

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #44 - July 30, 2009, 09:41 PM

    Listen to this with you're eyes closed

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAvlimEYEpQ

    Is it weirdly hypnotic, or is it just me?  sheikh


    I have this CD. I just want to say that it is by a Bosnian orchestra, it was performed at the Fes Festival of Sacred Music.   There is an orchestra playing in the background of it as well so haramy haramy!!  dance 

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  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #45 - July 30, 2009, 09:58 PM

    Let's face it, Islam is a very Arab-centric religion. The Arab customs, habits, food, clothes and of course language of the Arabs has been raised to Divine status as a result of Islam.

    How did (does) that make you feel?


    I come from a family that has a mix of ethnicities including Arabic and then I married an Arab also.  Our families are both Muslims and Christians.  Personally I dislike the Arab culture and the Arab ego trip, and always did.  I did not like it when people would say that kufta or hummus is "Islamic food."  Or that you have to wear a Jordanian style of jilbab to be a real hijabi.  But I am so hostile and strong about rejecting the influence of the culture and that in my life that I wasn't really subjected to some of the pressures that other people are as far as people trying to Arabise you.  i also was not really accepted in our hometown because of this.    If you didn't play ball and become Arabised or Desi-ised, then you were not really welcomed in the masjid or the halaqahs, etc. 

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    Did it play a part in you leaving Islam?


    No only in the sense of seeing how intellectually and morally corrupt, on a general level, Arabian society is, and how that contrasts so much to the ideal Islamic bullshit that everyone spouts.  How having 'the Arabic tongue' did not turn these people into people who love learning and pursue science or art or anything, but instead, they are wrapped up in the must intellectually suffocating systems of education, the culture is sort of petrified, etc.  If Islam is what they said it is, then why are the ones who can 'understand the Quran easily' so far, far off from what they claim it teaches... that sort of thing.

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    I personally hated the hierarchy amongst Muslims that always placed the Arabs at the top in whatever meeting or gathering one was at - and I am part Arab!


    Yes because speaking Arabic, even if it is Egyptian slang Arabic, automatically gives a person some cache. 

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    I also didn't like the way that so many Asians tried to be "Arab" - it seemed demeaning to them and it didn't seem right.


    I don't have experience with this too much but more with the Asian superiority complex over the African, African descended, and other Muslims.  For example the masjid in our hometown became also the center of cultural celebrations and you weren't welcome to attend because you weren't Asian, or wearing sk was superior to wearing any other type of clothing (and wearing jilbab marked you as a super pious, perhaps Wahabi type who should be respectfully avoided).  Or if you go to pray in the line of the jumuah, actually experiencing the Asian women taking a step away from you because they will not stand shoulder to shoulder with a non Desi woman.  I kid you not.  White, black, African, it didn't matter -- you were not good enough to even stand next to. 

    The food at our gatherings, that we are all paying for, was always super spicy, laughing at 'Arab's bland food' and of course, the only food we Westerners have ever produced is Mc Donald's.  And of course, everything is in Urdu or Bengali.  So you don't understand the halaqah or the khutbah and they tell you 'Oh you shouldn't even come, you won't understand it anyway'.  Also it was a very affluent community with your stereotypical Pakistani doctors, Indian engineers, etc so there were all these class issues. The working class Asians wouldn't even attend this masjid, they had their own masjid, but the non-Desis were a mix of white collar and working class until it got out of control and there was a big split. 

    So actually in my hometown our Arab masjid with the whole 'Arabs are the best' mentality came out of that other masjid, where the Arabs were all seen as somewhat backwards, Salafi-types, not really welcome to play ball, join the committees, working class, etc.  LOL So one group's ethnocentrism empowered another group to strike out on their own and in turn establish an ethnocentric community.  Then in the Arab masjid, being a Palestinian liquor store owner became a mark of prestige - because you may own a liquor store and didn't even finish high school but boy you make money hand over fist selling liquor to 'the kufar'.   

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    It is always assumed that any truly pious Muslim must try and learn Arabic.


    But of course.  You spend years and years learning it.  If you don't know any Arabic it's like 'What's wrong with you?'

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  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #46 - July 30, 2009, 10:00 PM

    I am going to give you a list of things that wind me up now.

    I know it shouldn't, but now it really irritates me when I see asian men and converts wearing a thawb. Religion should be about what you believe, not what you look like. How does dressing like a seventh century arab make you more holy than wearing jeans and a t shirt?


    I don't even think that the thobe you see today is what they were wearing in Mo-meister's time, so it is all pointless anyway. It's like people who put on a keffiyeh in an attempt to assert their Islamic identity and keffiyeh is a cultural, even nationalist symbol that Christian Arabs and atheist Arabs wear.

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    My cousin was saying that at some point, he aims for his deen to be so strong, that he does not talk to any non Mahrams. Which led him onto a whole spiel about how the Pakistani family system is immoral and totally unislamic as non Mahrams mix all the time, and sometimes even live in the same house.


    You should tell him if this comes up again that the Arabs do this as well.  Maybe not in Saudia or a Salafi's house, but I never went to a home when I was in the Middle East where men and women weren't sitting together and there were cousins about and so on. And non mahrem were shaking hands and hugging and air kissing. 


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  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #47 - July 30, 2009, 10:02 PM

    It made me laugh the way a friend of mine hated when I chucked an Egyptian newspaper in the bin after I had read it - and took it out as if it was sacred. But it was only bullshit about who Mubarak had come visit that day, what match Zamalek was playing or  or what fashion show was taking place in Cairo lol  grin12



    LOL didn't you know that the newspaper may contain the name of a politician who is named Muhammad or Abdur-Rahman?  Therefore, fiqhi wise, it becomes haraaaaaaaaam to throw that away, it must be burned. I am not kidding you, that is a fiqh opinion a mufti gave me once and then after that I was forever making people keep their newspapers out of my house because it was like 'Shit another thing i have to be responsible for!'

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  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #48 - July 30, 2009, 10:07 PM

    its sunnat to be like the prophet, so I am not sure if its a 'trying to be arab' thing, as most Muslims dont hold arabs & their culture in high regard in any case


    But there is a difference between trying to emulate him and trying to imitate today's Arabs, thinking they've got it all right. For example, Mo-meister didn't use silverware, so some Muslims will eat with their hands only.  All of my Bengali friends ate this way for 'the sake of the sunna' but they also wore Bengali clothes in the home and ate Bengali food, rather than trying to be Arab.

    But many Arabs use silverware anyway today.  Mo wasn't eating falafel or hummus but I have met some Muslims who are not Arab at all, who think that they have to eat these foods because it is Arab foods and most Arabs are Muslims soo..... apparently that makes the food "Islamic."  My favourite is converts who will 'quit listening to music' meaning Western music, but then you see them listening to Um Kulthum or Fairouz (who is Christian!!) or some Arab pop artist like Amr Diab because the fact that they sing in Arabic somehow makes the music halal or holy.   whistling2

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  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #49 - July 30, 2009, 10:34 PM

    Good point but some people take it too far, for example wearing a thawb, using a miswak, trying not to laugh too much (hadith) I've even heard of some people trying to eat a lot of certain foods because they are mentioned in Hadith as foods the prophet enjoyed, for example, dates, honey and even butternut squash (which was one of the prophets favourite foods)

    I mean, c'mon  Cheesy!


    That's over the top? I used to do all those things... If thawb is the same as juba then I didn't wear that all the time obviously because most of my time as a Muslim I was around my mother and she would have gone mental if she found out I was Muslim, and wearing a juba would have been a dead giveaway lol. Still, she found about half a dozen of my miswaks in total and threw them away. She definitely had a clue lol.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #50 - July 30, 2009, 10:36 PM

    You just reminded me of a time when I bought some Honey Nut Cheerios and told my mate I bought them because it is sunnah to eat them! (I was joking by the way).


    I would have actually seen it as more praiseworthy to eat honey nut Cheerios than normal Cheerios, simply because it was sunnah to eat honey. I'm smiling now but I would have truly believed it a year or two ago!  Grin

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #51 - July 30, 2009, 10:38 PM

    Nice one lol. You must have been in with a faily easy growing crowd, if I had said that around the salafi community growing up I would have got a slap (ironically though slaps are haram considering the face is "Presented to Allah" during Salat but most Muslims don't seem to care about this rule).




    Wait... surely Salafis would be more likely to see the moral goodness in eating honey nut cheerios over normal cheerios. Salafis are more obsessed about being like the prophet than any other Muslim sect I know of.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #52 - July 30, 2009, 10:41 PM

    Actually I've been told that any jokes where you tell an untruth is haram - only jokes that are true are allowed. (making 99% of jokes haram as they are based on fictitious - untrue - premis)

    But when the prophet joked to an old woman that only young ppl will enter heaven - it was true as he later explained she would be made young again.

    Yeah, nice one Mo! Your a real comedian.  Afro Bet she laughed her head off.


    I remember the hadeeth! It went something like "Curse to him! Curse to him! Curse to him! (specifically 3 times) Him who lies to make people laugh"

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #53 - July 31, 2009, 07:25 AM

    I used to be a cashier at a superstore and many Arab people would start speaking to me in Arabic, assuming I understood it because I wore hijab. What I hated was how annoyed they'd get when I told them I didn't speak it.


    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #54 - July 31, 2009, 11:06 AM

    I used to be a cashier at a superstore and many Arab people would start speaking to me in Arabic, assuming I understood it because I wore hijab. What I hated was how annoyed they'd get when I told them I didn't speak it.




    I can imagine that must be really annoying - btw good to see you, hope u r well Smiley
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #55 - August 03, 2009, 05:52 AM

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_population


    notice how many are arab notice how many are not.
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #56 - August 05, 2009, 06:52 AM

    If the Arabian Allah really is all-knowing etc, then why didnt he include the 'pa' and 'cha' sounds and their equivalent alphabets.

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #57 - August 05, 2009, 07:17 AM

    And V for that matter. It's cuz Allah speaks Arabic, and nothing else! Tongue

    I chose to get circumcised at 17, don't tell me I never believed.
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #58 - August 05, 2009, 09:49 AM

    And once again here we are trolling.
  • Re: A Question to Non-Arab Ex-Muslims (and Muslims)
     Reply #59 - August 05, 2009, 10:17 AM

    because Islam is an Arab imperial project

    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
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