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Hello & a couple questions
OP - August 06, 2009, 10:31 PM

Hi all- I probably do not fit into the typical demographic on this site but I hope it is okay to participate anyway.

I am a female, secular humanist, American who has been researching Islam. I have already found some great answers here but will have more questions.

So, although I am not British or Muslim, is it okay to hang out here? (I have visited UK twice though I went to the Ummah forum but was called a kafir.

I am not interested in converting to Islam at all - just wanting to learn a bit more.

Please advise if it's okay to post here, many thanks.

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Re: Hello & a couple questions
Reply #1 - August 06, 2009, 10:33 PM

Post away Lane4 and feel free to ask any questions you like to me.

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Reply #2 - August 06, 2009, 10:40 PM

Yeah go for it. We have members from all over the place and not all of them are ex-Muslim anyway. I'm not. They just hired me to mop the floors and stuff.

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Reply #3 - August 06, 2009, 10:41 PM

Quote from: lane4 on August 06, 2009, 10:31 PM
I am a female, secular humanist, American who has been researching Islam. I have already found some great answers here but will have more questions.

Glad to see you here. We have both your demographics here, Americans and non-ex-muslims. What questions have we already answered, and what questions still need answering?

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Reply #4 - August 06, 2009, 10:46 PM

Thank you all for being so welcoming.

I'm not sure if I should open a new thread for the questions? One question that has been bugging me, did Muhammad kill a mother while she was nursing her child? If so, I cannot imagine how an apologist could put a positive spin on this.

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Reply #5 - August 06, 2009, 10:49 PM

Quote from: lane4 on August 06, 2009, 10:31 PM
I am not interested in converting to Islam at all - just wanting to learn a bit more.

We'll let you off about not wanting to convert LOL

(ps - u do realise this is an Ex-Muslim forum)

Oh and in case anyone hasn't said it yet - yes of course you are welcome to post.
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Reply #6 - August 06, 2009, 10:50 PM

Start a thread if you like. It's a forum. People start threads all the time.
Anyway yes, that story comes from one of the ahadith I think, or possibly from Ibn Ishaq. Mohammed didn't do the actual killing but he ordered it.

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Reply #7 - August 06, 2009, 11:07 PM

Quote from: Hassan on August 06, 2009, 10:49 PM
We'll let you off about not wanting to convert LOL

(ps - u do realise this is an Ex-Muslim forum)

Oh and in case anyone hasn't said it yet - yes of course you are welcome to post.

LOL - yes, I know it's an ex-Muslim forum but I wanted to put in I am not converting in case anyone wondered why I was at Ummah forums.

I aqlso posted my "story" in the "ex other religion" fourm here.

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Reply #8 - August 06, 2009, 11:08 PM

Welcome Lane4.

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Reply #9 - August 06, 2009, 11:09 PM

Ummah is great for putting people off converting anyway. Bunch of nutters in there.

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Reply #10 - August 06, 2009, 11:21 PM

Quote from: lane4 on August 06, 2009, 10:46 PM
Thank you all for being so welcoming.

I'm not sure if I should open a new thread for the questions? One question that has been bugging me, did Muhammad kill a mother while she was nursing her child? If so, I cannot imagine how an apologist could put a positive spin on this.

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(3) March 624: Asma bint Marwan

She was a poetess who belonged to a tribe of Medinan pagans. She composed a poem blaming them for obeying a stranger (Muhammad) and for not taking the initiative to attack him by surprise. Perhaps in March 624, when the Allah?inspired Prophet heard what she had said, he asked, 'Who will rid me of Marwan's daughter?' A member of her husband's tribe volunteered and crept into her house that night. She had five children, and the youngest was sleeping at her breast. The assassin gently removed the child, drew his sword, and plunged it into her, killing her in her sleep. [4]

Will have to get the source (it isn't referenced in http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=4670.msg120140#msg120140) but it's a well known story.

ETA: Seems to be from Ibn Ishaq. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asma_bint_Marwan

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Reply #11 - August 07, 2009, 12:12 AM

Thanks for the answer, much appreciated.

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Reply #12 - August 07, 2009, 12:22 AM

There are also Um Qirfa and Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf. The former was killed for criticising Mohammed after he had the latter killed.

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=4465.msg115587#msg115587 includes some references.

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Reply #13 - August 07, 2009, 01:57 AM

Hello Lane4

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Reply #14 - August 07, 2009, 12:02 PM

Quote from: osmanthus on August 06, 2009, 11:09 PM
Ummah is great for putting people off converting anyway. Bunch of nutters in there.

Not nutters. Just stupid immature kids, led by a control freak who just attacks and eventually bans people whenever he feels threatened!

Oh, and welcome, Lane!

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Reply #15 - August 07, 2009, 01:14 PM

Greetings and salutations Lane! You ask some great questions!

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Reply #16 - August 07, 2009, 07:14 PM

Quote from: lane4 on August 06, 2009, 10:31 PM
Hi all- I probably do not fit into the typical demographic on this site but I hope it is okay to participate anyway.

I am a female, secular humanist, American who has been researching Islam. I have already found some great answers here but will have more questions.

So, although I am not British or Muslim, is it okay to hang out here? (I have visited UK twice though I went to the Ummah forum but was called a kafir.

I am not interested in converting to Islam at all - just wanting to learn a bit more.

Please advise if it's okay to post here, many thanks.

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Re: Hello & a couple questions
Reply #17 - August 08, 2009, 12:43 AM

Welcome.. Of course you can post.

You can always start new threads, ask Qs...

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