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  • Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     OP - August 10, 2009, 11:42 AM

    Guy's in 2003 I emailed some questions out to Nuh Keller. I got the replies back in mp3 format. If you go to the link below:-

    http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/

    Go to the audio files and look for this subject "Amman: The Coherence of Islam". Under that title there are some audio files. At this point I was going through serious doubt and would ask the questions under the disguise of my atheist uncle. Please note my real name is referred to in the replies.

    Enjoy!
  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #1 - August 10, 2009, 11:44 AM

    If you're worried about your real name becoming public you could always PM people the link on request. Up to you.

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  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #2 - August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM

    Nah! Not really. Only my first name is used. But there are people who know that it was me who asked the questions. If they have an issue it's just TOUGH!!!
  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #3 - August 10, 2009, 12:54 PM

    Did he say just say in the Maslow Hierarchy video, that the bottom of the hierarchy is food & safety and at the top of the pyramid is religion  Huh?

    If thats what he said, then he needs correcting as the right answer in self-actualisation i.e. pushing ones boundaries.  If anything religion is limiting yourself to such boundaries.

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  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #4 - August 10, 2009, 01:57 PM

    Guy's in 2003 I emailed some questions out to Nuh Keller. I got the replies back in mp3 format. If you go to the link below:-

    http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/

    Go to the audio files and look for this subject "Amman: The Coherence of Islam". Under that title there are some audio files. At this point I was going through serious doubt and would ask the questions under the disguise of my atheist uncle. Please note my real name is referred to in the replies.

    Enjoy!


    Guys, please remember to comment after listening. Thanks.
  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #5 - August 11, 2009, 07:03 AM

    Guys, I'm fairly new on this forum so if anyone has listened to this audio before I posted this thread, then please I would be interested to know what people think, both about the questions and answers. Many Thanks
  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #6 - August 11, 2009, 11:53 PM

    LOL that was you!  We all felt so sorry for your family. 

    "Coherence" should never be used within a mile of Keller, that's for damn sure.  Shaykh Mumbles McMarblemouth. 

    I can't listen to this now anymore than I could listen to it then. I got 3 minutes into track #1 before I started nodding off.  Mumbling, bumbling nonsense - his specialty. So generally? I think he's full of shit. Did you read his paper on evolution? Bullshit.  He's a charlatan among charlatans, in  my opinion. 

    His first 'answer' is the same one that all Muslims give.  People who ask questions are people who won't accept any answer.  Asking questions is a sign of kufr and disobedience and willful nature.  He didn't even answer these for your sake or your uncles' sake, but to head off any doubts and shore up whatever iman is in the heads of his followers. That's who these files are for, not for people who have real doubts about Islam and sincerely want answers.  It's for those who are desperately looking for a reason to hold on and want to pretend to be intellectuals while they're doing it.

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  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #7 - August 12, 2009, 12:21 AM

    Yeah - I was that unfortunate soul. I originally sent out about a total of twelve questions. Of which six were "attempted". I literally begged for the rest of the files and kept getting the f'ing "sidi you will hear from us shortly" Now I don't give a shit. They know what they can do with the files now. I originally posted the questions to Masud Ahmed Khan who farmed them off to Nuh Keller and also to Musa Furber. When my uncle heard the answers he just laughed and said he's no different to the mullah's in Pakistan. I also spoke to Faraz Rabbani from the sunnipath website. He started to ignore me after awhile and basically said "don't ask questions from which there is no benefit".
  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #8 - August 12, 2009, 08:59 AM

    LOL that was you!  We all felt so sorry for your family. 

    "Coherence" should never be used within a mile of Keller, that's for damn sure.  Shaykh Mumbles McMarblemouth. 

     Cheesy Lmao You have a way with words, Fading.  grin12

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  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #9 - August 12, 2009, 06:55 PM

    Yeah - I was that unfortunate soul. I originally sent out about a total of twelve questions. Of which six were "attempted". I literally begged for the rest of the files and kept getting the f'ing "sidi you will hear from us shortly" Now I don't give a shit. They know what they can do with the files now. I originally posted the questions to Masud Ahmed Khan who farmed them off to Nuh Keller and also to Musa Furber. When my uncle heard the answers he just laughed and said he's no different to the mullah's in Pakistan. I also spoke to Faraz Rabbani from the sunnipath website. He started to ignore me after awhile and basically said "don't ask questions from which there is no benefit".


    The thing is that these blokes will always pretend like they are something else.  'We're not like the Salafis, we engage in real intellectual rigour' and shit like that. But in some ways, they are even worse than the Salafis and anyone else they claim to be different from - like the old Uncle establishment of beating you about the head when you don't want to go to your weekend Quran school.  Some of them are nice guys - not Keller, though - but, like Hamza and Zaid, they're still wedded to this ideology.  When you make your living from religion, you can't afford to question it or  have it questioned.  When that is threatened, they are going to forgo being nice or being honest and they're going to protect it.  If that means lying or intellectual dishonesty, so be it.  It is so funny, they  used to talk about people entering Islam in droves at the hands of these guys - which is an urban myth, it was more that they were energising the spirits of 2nd gen who were totally disengaged from the Uncles - but they somehow don't talk about the droves of people quitting Islam after spending time with them.  When you demand intellectual rigour, it's hard to then shut it off by saying 'Oh we only meant in, er, you know, studying the classical texts and defeating Salafism... we didn't mean you should apply that to science or critical examination.' 

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  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #10 - August 12, 2009, 07:07 PM

    Dear 20 years,

    Thanks for that post. I actually stumbled across this site -- and exactly the mp3 regarding "worship as the fear of death" question a couple of months ago -- how interesting that those questions were posed by you!

    I don't think we have met, as I don't hang around these northern lands so much recently. I'm Musa the Tailor, aka the Hound Dog Sheikh.

    The disappointing thing about that response by Sheikh Nur (showing that yes, he is just an ordinary Sheikh really, not at my level) is that he DENIES that worship is the fear of death. And even invoked jihadis' lack of fear as proof of this.

    But I say: Death = God (its not so much that God is Dead, but Death is built into the Face of God). So in a very real way, true prayer -- while not a worship of death -- is a play on Death, let's say.

    Oh well -- many will never hear this Truth, with the Sheikh Nurs of the world being the meaning of the Deaf.

    Love and Light,

    The Tailor







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  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #11 - August 12, 2009, 07:14 PM

    Guy's in 2003 I emailed some questions out to Nuh Keller. I got the replies back in mp3 format. If you go to the link below:-

    http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/

    Go to the audio files and look for this subject "Amman: The Coherence of Islam". Under that title there are some audio files. At this point I was going through serious doubt and would ask the questions under the disguise of my atheist uncle. Please note my real name is referred to in the replies.

    Enjoy!


    I listened to the first one under "Amman: The Coherence of Islam" and he didn't address one single question, just talked about how the proof/evidence one is looking for does not exist and it must be simply taken on faith and then talked about how you walk into a building without knowing it is structurally sound and take it on faith that it wont collapse etc...

    Terrible! Truly terrible...

    I also used to have a certain amount of respect for these guys but now I just see they are simply using the same old tired arguments, often just re-framed for modern audiences and with western influences and sophistry. (though this from Nuh Keller was abysmal.)
  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #12 - August 12, 2009, 07:34 PM

    On the topic of "mainstream" Sufis .... if you guys haven't read it already, go to Hassan's blog to check out a rather amusing description of his experiences attending a talk by the main Naqshbandi sheikh. I think it's one of my favourite bits of his religious autobiography Smiley

    L&L

    The Tailor

    The Divisions of Love, second album by my Cabbalacore band, the Friends of Design, out now:

    https://vimeo.com/110528857
  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #13 - August 12, 2009, 11:37 PM

    The thing is that these blokes will always pretend like they are something else.  'We're not like the Salafis, we engage in real intellectual rigour' and shit like that. But in some ways, they are even worse than the Salafis and anyone else they claim to be different from - like the old Uncle establishment of beating you about the head when you don't want to go to your weekend Quran school.  Some of them are nice guys - not Keller, though - but, like Hamza and Zaid, they're still wedded to this ideology.  When you make your living from religion, you can't afford to question it or  have it questioned.  When that is threatened, they are going to forgo being nice or being honest and they're going to protect it.  If that means lying or intellectual dishonesty, so be it.  It is so funny, they  used to talk about people entering Islam in droves at the hands of these guys - which is an urban myth, it was more that they were energising the spirits of 2nd gen who were totally disengaged from the Uncles - but they somehow don't talk about the droves of people quitting Islam after spending time with them.  When you demand intellectual rigour, it's hard to then shut it off by saying 'Oh we only meant in, er, you know, studying the classical texts and defeating Salafism... we didn't mean you should apply that to science or critical examination.' 


    I remember emailing Zaid Shakir back in 2003 about mine and my uncle concerns. All he did was reply back to me saying that yes the questions can be answered but he doen't have time, he then went on to say that my uncle is a kaafir and that I should pray for him to return to the deen!

    I purchased nearly all of HY's talks etc. There was one box set I purchased called "The attributes of allah in islam". The talk was by Dr Umar Farooq Abdullah and Hamza Yusuf. Dr Umar is supposed to be a bit more clued up, but again they kept missing the mark. Always the same thing, just preaching to the choir.
  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #14 - August 13, 2009, 09:36 PM

    Anyone ever been a murid of Nuh Keller or know anyone who is or has been a murid?
  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #15 - August 13, 2009, 10:02 PM


    I purchased nearly all of HY's talks etc.


    Me too. I might sell them online or something.


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    Dr Umar is supposed to be a bit more clued up, but again they kept missing the mark. Always the same thing, just preaching to the choir.


    I think his means of being clued up is saying 'shaking hands with the opposite gender is permissible' and his allegedly liberal position on hijab. I have heard that he says it is not required, but I'm not sure if he really said that or not.  Like other Muslims, traditionalists will get their panties in a bunch if it appears anyone is even making concessions about hijab, like saying that a la-hijabi sister is actually still a Muslim or that she's an okay person even without a scarf and then they turn it into 'and then he said that hijab isn't FARD!'

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  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #16 - August 13, 2009, 10:05 PM

    I've already sold off my HY stuff. Keeping the books I have though. Did you ever have Anwar Al-Awlaki's stuff? He was a bit of an oddball!
  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #17 - August 14, 2009, 12:56 AM

    Awlaki is a bit scary.  He's really hardcore. I had things by him and I sold them off.  I never listened to him, but I bought it because I thought I ought to - because people said how wonderful he was. 

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  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #18 - August 14, 2009, 12:43 PM

    Yeah, I had his "Lives of the Prophets", "The Heareafter" and a sira box set which covered the meccan period.
  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #19 - August 14, 2009, 12:59 PM

    On the topic of "mainstream" Sufis .... if you guys haven't read it already, go to Hassan's blog to check out a rather amusing description of his experiences attending a talk by the main Naqshbandi sheikh. I think it's one of my favourite bits of his religious autobiography Smiley

    Cant find that bit - can you cut & paste it here?

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  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #20 - August 14, 2009, 02:53 PM

    Cant find that bit - can you cut & paste it here?


    http://abooali.wordpress.com/chapter-3/
  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #21 - August 14, 2009, 02:57 PM

    And to make it even easier for you IsLame since I know how lazy you are (a man after my own heart lol) 0- here is the bit The Tailor was talking about  grin12


    At first I attended ?The Mosque of Light?, as I found the atmosphere there much more authentic, but then the renowned Sufi preacher, Sheikh Nazim, began giving sermons at The Muslim World League every other Friday. I had been reading some of the great Sufi poets and writers and was drawn to their universalistic and mystical approach, so I was eager to listen to Sheikh Nazim. Born in 1922 in the town of Larnaca in Cyprus, he first moved to Istanbul to study Chemical Engineering at university, and then to Damascus in 1945 to study under Shaykh Abdullah ad-Daghestani, of the Naqshabandi Sufi Order. From there he traveled around the world, particularly in Western Europe, where he had built up a large following and was presently based in Peckham, south London. His followers spoke very highly of him and told me he had ?special? knowledge about many things, including the coming of the Mahdi ? ?the Rightly Guided One? prophesized in hadith. It seems odd now that the Saudis, who did not approve of Sufism, allowed him to preach at the World League, but the director at the time was an amiable, broad minded Saudi who embraced many different views, and it should be remembered that in the early 80s there had not yet developed the sharp ideological divisions amongst Muslims in Britain that were soon to occupy them.

    Sheikh Nazim arrived to deliver his sermon, wearing a huge green turban and a long flowing green cloak. He was flanked by Murids, students of his spiritual path, dressed in the same manner. I was immediately struck by his presence and charisma. He had a slow and deliberate way of speaking, in which he paused on words he wished to emphasise, and when he smiled, which was often, he looked like your favourite granddad, about to make a sweet appear from behind his ear. His strong Turkish accent only added to the endearing quality of his speech. I enjoyed his talk greatly and wanted to speak to him in person about his predictions of the Mahdi, but there was never time, as I had to rush back to university. However, when one of his followers invited me to attend a small gathering in Peckham, I jumped at the chance.

    The mosque in Peckham was a converted flat over a grocer?s shop and gave no outward clue to the devotions inside. More than half of those present were white Europeans, an odd assortment of professionals, ex-hippies, eccentrics and drop-outs. Many of those I spoke to seemed to be very narcissistic with a messianic complex, which jarred with the perception of Sufism I had got from reading Rumi and Ibn Arabi. I sat next to a young English convert who looked like a 1920s gangster ? slick back hair, pin striped suit and dark glasses. As the room was only dimly lit, I assumed he could see nothing through the glasses.
    ?Assalamu-Aalykum, my name is Hassan.?
    ?My name is Sulayman.? He lowered his glasses. ?But you can call me Slim?
    ?Are you a regular here at Sheikh Nazim?s circles??
    For no apparent reason he replied in Arabic.
    ?Al-Hamdulilah, Kuntu azooru Sheikh Nazim al Halaqa li Mudda Atiqa.?
    It translated as ?Praise be to God, I was visiting Sheikh Nazim the Circle for an ancient time!?
    ?Oh.? I nodded
    ?Wa min ayna anta?? (Where are you from?) he continued in Arabic.
    ?Ana min Finchley fi Shimal London,? (I?m from Finchley in North London) I said trying to get into the spirit of things.
    Sheikh Nazim came in followed by his students in green turbans and cloaks. As he sat down, a plump German lady rushed up and kissed his feet. Several others followed and either prostrated at his feet or kissed his hands. Slim encouraged me to join him in greeting the Sheikh.
    ?Assalamu Alaykum,? I said stiffly, extending my hand for him to shake.
    ?Wa Alaykum Assalam wa rahmatullah,? he replied, taking my hand and smiling.
    Once we were all seated again, Sheikh Nazim began leading the Zikr (Remembrance), congregational chanting of God?s names or supplications. He started repeating the words ?Allahu, Allah Haqq? (God! God is Truth). Everyone immediately joined in and started gently swaying to the rhythm of the words. After what seemed like a very long time Sheik Nazim signaled a change in the words and the pace, by repeating
    ?Allahu, Allah Hayy? (God! God is Living). By the time Sheikh Nazim led another change, the energy level had grown so great that the whole room seemed to be vibrating to the rhythm.
    ?Allah Hayy, Ya Qayyum.? (God is Living, Oh the Awake!)
    Most had their eyes closed and appeared to be in a state of intense concentration as they swayed together. I couldn?t resist the pounding rhythm and became carried away with rocking back and forth as I repeated ?Allah Hayy, Ya Qayyum? over and over again. The room became hazy and looked like a black and white negative image; everything around me was disappearing. It was an almost psychedelic experience and I was completely lost in the moment, throwing myself backwards and forwards without any inhibition or self consciousness. Unfortunately it also meant that I was unaware of the abrupt end to the proceedings and to my great embarrassment, I continued chanting and swaying for a second or two after everyone else had stopped.

    Sheik Nazim recited some prayers and began his sermon. He spoke in a heavy accent, mispronouncing many English words.
    ?Allah love all his serv-hents. Allah love everything! Every human, every creature, every plant, every rock. Allah does not hate. If Allah hate something it cannot exist.?
    He would choose someone in the audience to look at in the eye, as though he were speaking to someone special.
    ?Allah?s love is not animal love we see in Dunya (this world). It is love that never change. It is love that never die. Our purpose is to reach higher love and immerse ourselves in Love Oceans.?
    I wasn?t sure what he meant by ?Love Oceans?, but it sounded wonderful.
    ?Only when the serv-hent worship Allah can he wake Love Oceans. We live in time of hate and misery. Most human know only physical love and so become unhappy and miserable. Without waking Love Oceans we can never content.?
    I was impressed by both his message and his manner, but felt uncomfortable about the exaggerated reverence his followers showered on him, and decided to ask him about this, during the question and answer session that followed.
    ?Is it Islamic to allow people to prostrate at your feet? Prophet Muhammad didn?t have people prostrating at his feet, did he??
    My question prompted angry murmurs and boos, which made my face blush and eyes water.
    ?I do not ask they do, but if they wish for love and respect, I accept. Remember parents prophet Yusuf prostrate to him.?
    I wanted to ask him more questions, particularly about his prediction about the Mahdi, but others were keen to speak. A young couple presented themselves ? both converts, one English and one Asian.
    ?We would like to ask your holiness for your blessing to get married.?
    After asking their names and a little about their background, he gave them his approval, placing his hand on their foreheads and saying a prayer. Others quickly came forward with questions.
    ?I had a dream Sheikh that I was on top of a mountain, there was a light above me and flowers began raining down.?
    ?This is good dream my child, you receiving Divine gifts.?
    ?My sister is sick, Sheikh. Please pray for her recovery.?
    He held his hands up and prayed, and everyone followed.
    Eventually he got up and moved towards the staircase, still surrounded by petitioners. This was my final chance, before he disappeared. I squeezed myself forward through the crowd.
    ?Sheikh Nazim, can I ask you about the Mahdi. You said he?s coming??
    He started walking up the stairs followed by his green bodyguards.
    ?He is here!?
    ?In this room?? I followed him up the stairs.
    ?No, in Hijaz.? (The area around Makka and Madinah.)
    ?Does anyone know who he is??
    ?He has not exposed to anyone yet.?
    ?Then how do you know??
    ?My Sheikh tell me.?
    ?Is that the Sheikh who?s dead??
    Sheikh Nazim believed he was in contact with a Sheikh who had died in the 1940s.
    ?It depend on what you mean dead??
    ?In the meaning of not being alive.?
    Sheikh Nazim?s bodyguards had heard enough of my questions and aggressively blocked my access, pushing me back down the stairs. The Sheikh was swiftly escorted out of sight.

    I was a little disappointed with what I had witnessed at Sheikh Nazim?s circle. Not so much with Sheikh Nazim himself, but the way his followers fawned upon him. It seemed little more than a cult of personality. I was also extremely skeptical of his claims to special knowledge from a dead Sheikh. After Sheikh Nazim had retired upstairs with some of his Murids, I started to move towards the exit when I was approached by a tall bearded Englishman.
    ?Are you on the path, brother??
    ?Do you mean am I a Sufi? No, not really. I like Sufism and want to learn more, which is why I came here today.?
    ?To learn more you must take the path.?
    ?The problem is I find some things a bit off-putting, like kissing feet and special knowledge from a dead Sheikh.?
    ?In order to follow us you must not judge or object to anything. This is how the Seeker of knowledge must approach his teacher, just as Khidr told Moses not to question anything if he wished to learn.?
    ?Well, Moses is one thing, but it seems there is a dangerous potential here for the blind to lead the blind, wouldn?t you say??
    ?That?s why you must follow the true Sheikh, so you can completely trust him.?
    ?I find it difficult to completely trust anyone in such matters.?
    ?Then that is the source of your problem, brother.?
    ?What makes you trust Sheikh Nazim so completely??
    ?In every age there is one chosen representative (Khalifah) of God. In our age it is Sheikh Nazim. He is the Perfect Saint.?
    ?What is your evidence??
    ?Those who follow him have evidence. Sheikh Nazim knows things that cannot be known by ordinary men. He has proven this on many occasions. For example I myself witnessed him predict the precise time that one of his followers would die and it happened exactly as he said it would.?
    ?I?m not doubting your word, but there may be many rational explanations for that.?
    ?Yet another proof for you, my dear brother, is that he has the ability to be with every one of his Murids at every given moment. He can be in one place with one and with another in a different place.?
    ?I?m sorry but I find that very hard to believe.?
    ?It?s the arrogance in your Nafs (Ego) that prevents you from believing. You must stop resisting, let go and open your heart.?
    Our conversation reminded me of a passage in Alice in Wonderland:

    ?I can?t believe that!? said Alice.
    ?Can?t you?? the queen said in a pitying tone. ?Try again, draw a long breath, and shut your eyes.?
    Alice laughed. ?There?s no use trying,? she said. ?One can?t believe impossible things.?
    ?I dare say you haven?t had much practice,? said the queen. ?When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I?ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.?

    Sheikh Nazim has been the subject of many outlandish claims and linked to some far-fetched schemes. Perhaps one of the more bizarre is ?The Moon Temple Project?, a venture aimed at erecting a Mosque on the Moon as a ?true sign for rational people.? The project?s founder, a Russian Muslim called Asadula, said, ?There is some Divine predetermination in the fact that the crescent moon is the symbol of Islam and the minarets atop our mosques resemble spaceships.? Asadula got the calling to build the Moon Temple while praying for his brother who was in surgery:

    ?And in an instant, oh wonder, I lost all sense of reality. It was as though some super-powerful beam of light struck me in the eyes with its radiant brightness. I closed my eyes to shut out the blinding light, but this did not help ? the celestial radiance continued to permeate to the core of my very being. I felt as though all the organs of my body had been pierced through and strung out on this mysterious thread of unprecedented light. And, as though continuing some conversation begun long ago and causing my whole body to tremble, a Voice said unto me:
    ?And such ordeals shall pass, but your destiny is invincible! Your brother has not come to the end of the goodly provision provided unto him. He will recover. And he will stand by your side as you toil together to build a Temple on the Moon. This will be no easy journey. Your path, Asadula, is winding and rocky. And you will raise a Temple on the Moon as a symbol of human faith. And the five-fold azan (call to prayer) for salvation will be heard throughout the universe.?

    Sufism is admired in the West as it suits the trend for religion to be moderate, liberal, and embracing a variety of lifestyles. One Sufi Sheikh I invited to give a talk at SOAS explained that Sufism is the pinnacle of all religions and one can find Christian, Jewish and Hindu Sufis as well as Muslim Sufis. Sufi Sheikhs were often regarded with the same awe in the 60s and 70s as Hindu Gurus and other mystics of the East, and many a hippie trail ended up following Sufism in one form or another. But I was unconvinced by Sheikh Nazim?s circle and the Sufi circles I susequently visited. My experiences made me very skeptical of the claims of such Sheikhs, which seemed at best harmless eccentricity and at worst dangerous self-delusion. Of course I did not blame Sufism as a whole for the short-comings of particular Sufi Sheikhs or their followers, but it did put me off joining a Sufi order. Nevertheless I was drawn towards the spiritual and metaphorical understanding of Islam that Sufism taught and although I could not call myself a Sufi, I did develop a leaning towards a less literal interpretation of the Qur?an. A belief that behind the words was a deeper meaning and significance that was not immediately apparent. I also enjoyed Sufi writings, poetry and parables. Amongst these parables are the light-hearted stories of Joha (also known as Mullah Nasrudin). They are told throughout the Muslim world and are part of an oral tradition going back centuries. They are humerous tales that at the same time impart a wisdom. Perhaps my favourite is one that pokes fun at Sufism itself:

    Joha was walking in the Bazaar with a large group of followers. Whatever Joha did his followers immediately copied. Every few steps Joha would stop and shake his hands in the air, touch his feet and jump up yelling ?Hu Hu Hu!?. So his followers would also stop and do exactly the same thing.

    One of the Merchants, who knew Joha, quietly asked him;

    ?What are you doing my old friend? Why are these people imitating you??

    ?I have become a Sufi Sheikh.? Replied Joha ?These are my Murids (spiritual seekers), I am helping them reach enlightenment!?

    ?How do you know when they reach enlightenment??

    ?That?s the easy part! Every morning I count them. The ones who have left ? have reached enlightenment!?

  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #22 - August 14, 2009, 02:58 PM

    I hate the way this forum turns quotation marks and apostrophes etc... into question marks! Grrrrr....
  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #23 - August 14, 2009, 03:06 PM

    Thanks Hass.  Have you ever thought of putting each chapter on YouTube as an audio?

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  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #24 - August 14, 2009, 03:12 PM

    I think that would be boring for viewers of Youtube who want to see something - not just listen.

    Oh and I can't be bothered  grin12
  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #25 - August 14, 2009, 03:17 PM

    I might have a go with my blog but not sure if I can be bothered - Ghazali, Peru and Awais might also want to have a think about it...

    I think Peru could do something really entertaining with her hadiths, particularly if she stuck photos at the beginning of each short story.  A bit like Jackanory.

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  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #26 - August 14, 2009, 09:29 PM

    Hass, word count is currently 10,000 words! - at a rough guess how many minutes of Youtube video would that translate too?

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  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #27 - August 14, 2009, 09:34 PM

    No idea!

    What is 10,000? Your blog or mine?
  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #28 - August 14, 2009, 10:18 PM

    mine, but didnt you work out that your scientific miracles video would be 10 minutes after your script reached a certain size?  How many words was it approximately?

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  • Re: Nuh Keller Audio files to my questions!
     Reply #29 - August 14, 2009, 10:49 PM

    I didn't count - just looked at the words and guessed. Two pages will be about 10 mins.
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