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  • Reading List
     OP - August 13, 2009, 05:44 PM

    Guys heres my reading list. It would be nice to compare what we have read and share recommendations. I'm gonna be updating it regularly.

    Updated 14/9/09

    Enjoy!

    Currently reading

    The Greatest Show on Earth - Richard Dawkins

    Skeptic/Science/Atheistic
    In Defence of Atheism: The Case Against Christianity, Judaism and Islam - Michel Onfray
    The Demon Haunted World  - Carl Sagan
    What the Koran Really Says: Language, Text and Commentary - Ibn Warraq
    Infidel - Ayaan Hirsi Ali
    Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space - Carl Sagan
    Varieties Of Scientific Experience - Carl Sagan
    Atheism as a Positive Social Force - Raymond W. Converse
    Portable Atheist: Essential Readings for the Non-Believer - Christopher Hitchens
    The God Delusion - Richard Dawkins
    Letter to a Christian Nation - Sam Harris
    Atheism: The Case Against God - George H. Smith
    God the Failed Hypothesis: How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist - Victor J. Stenger
    The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion - Robert Spencer
    The Quest for the Historical Muhammad - Ibn Warraq
    Why I Am Not a Muslim - Ibn Warraq
    Why Evolution is True - Jerry A. Coyne
    Your Inner Fish: The Amazing Discovery of Our 375-Million-Year-Old Ancestor - Neil Shubin
    Blind Watchmaker - Richard Dawkins
    The Origin of Species - Charles Darwin
    Atheist Universe: The Thinking Person's Answer to Christian Fundamentalism - David Mills
    God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything - Christopher Hitchens
    Language, Truth and Logic - AJ Ayer
    50 Reasons People Give for Believing in a God - Guy P Harrison
    The Improbability of God - Michael Martin
    Atheism - A Very Short Introduction - Julian Baggini


    Islamic books
    Ancient Beliefs and Modern Superstitions - Martin Lings
    The Vision of Islam - Sachiko Murata
    The Makkan Crucible - Zakaria Bashier
    Sunshine at Madinah - Zakaria Bashier
    Scattered Pictures: Reflections Of An American Muslim - Imam Zaid Shakir
    Way to the Quran - Khurram Murad; Rashid Rahman
    Milestones - Sayed Qutb
    Fiqh Al-imam: Key Proofs In Hanafi Fiqh - Abdur-Rahman Ibn Yusuf
    Hadith Literature: Its Origin, Development & Special Features - Muhammad Zubayr Siddiqi
    On Schacht's Origins of Muhammadan Jurisprudence - Muhammad M. al-Azami
    The History of The Qur'anic Text. - Muhammad Mustafa Al-Azami.
    Mecca: From Before Genesis Until Now - Martin Lings
    The Eleventh Hour: The Spiritual Crisis of the Modern World in the Light of Tradition and Prophecy - Martin Lings
    What is Sufism? - Martin Lings
    Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources - Martin Lings
    Even Angels Ask: A Journey to Islam in America - Jeffrey Lang
    Losing My Religion: A Call For Help - Jeffrey Lang
    Struggling to Surrender: Some Impressions of an American Convert to Islam - Jeffrey Lang
    The Broken Chain - Aftab Ahmad Malik
    Let Us Be Muslims - Sayyid A. Mawdudi
    Al-Ghazali on the Remembrance of Death and the Afterlife - Abu Hamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al- Ghazali
    Al-Ghazali's Path to Sufism: His Deliverance from Error - Abu Hamid Muhammad al-Ghazali
    Inner Dimensions of Islamic Worship - Abu Hamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al- Ghazali
    Purification of the Heart: Signs, Symptoms and Cures of the Spiritual Diseases of the Heart - Hamza Yusuf
    Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadith - Yahya ibn Sharaf al-Nawawi
    The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an English/Arabic - Abdullah Yusuf Ali

    Wish List
    The Republic - Plato
    The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins
    The Ancestor's Tale: A Pilgrimage to the Dawn of Evolution - Richard Dawkins
    Parenting Beyond Belief: On Raising Ethical, Caring Kids Without Religion - Dale Mcgowan
    The Dragons of Eden Speculations on the Evolution of Human Intelligence - Carl Sagan
    Breaking The Spell - Daniel Dennett
    Darwin's Dangerous Idea: Evolution and the Meanings of Life - Daniel C. Dennett
    The Caged Virgin: A Muslim Woman's Cry for Reason - Ayaan Hirsi Ali
    A Brief History of Time - Stephen Hawking
    Einstein in His Own Words: Science, Religion, Politics, Philosophy - Anne Rooney
    The Satanic Verses - Salman Rushdie
    The Venture of Islam Vol 1,2,3 - Marshall Hodgson

    This is my humble list. I have a few to go through regarding evolution. I have read enough regarding the arguments for and against the existence of god. I want to read something on sociology or on the philosophy of religion. Nothing too heavy. Anthropology would be nice as well.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #1 - August 13, 2009, 06:15 PM

    I am reading 'Why I am not a Muslim' by Ibn Warraq at the moment and as much as I agree with most of his points, the book is very poorly written and poorly referenced

    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #2 - August 13, 2009, 06:21 PM

    What Ibn Warraq has done is try to reference people like John Wansborough, Ignaz Goldziher and Joseph Schacht in his writings. Sometimes you can hear the axe grinding through his book. Unfortunately there is very little written by ex-muslims, reasons which are plainly obvious. I've read a couple of books translated from farsi into english but they really are completely one-sided and full of angst. The atheists from the judeo/christian background are much more thorough and objective when it comes to this subject.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #3 - August 13, 2009, 08:56 PM

    Thats quite a list 20LongStools - i'm quite impressed, particularly as I have not hardly read any of those.  

    Can anyone vouch for any of those books, as I want to get hold of the best ones..

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #4 - August 13, 2009, 09:02 PM

    Lol, i've read a few from the atheistic section. None from the Islamic and alot from the wish list.

    I have read Ayaan Hirsi book and i must say i was not impressed. With either book of hers that is.
    Also have read a few of Dawkins book, Harris, Hitchens and was extremley bored with the Santanic Verses and haven't completed it.

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #5 - August 13, 2009, 09:19 PM

    "Lol, i've read a few from the atheistic section. None from the Islamic and alot from the wish list.

    I have read Ayaan Hirsi book and i must say i was not impressed. With either book of hers that is.
    Also have read a few of Dawkins book, Harris, Hitchens and was extremley bored with the Santanic Verses and haven't completed it."

    I wasn't impressed with Ayaan Hirsi Ali at all, but wanted to finish what I started. She didn't seem particularly interested in Islam to begin with. I think when she became an atheist initially, her justification was weak. Although she may be able to justify her position philosophically now. What's worse is that guys like dawkins and harris always refer to her as some sort of scholar. Ibn Warraq is okay but leans way too much on the SOAS type lecturers. Why he called his book "Why I'm not a muslim" still begs the question. It is very far off from the book he got his inspiration from (Why I'm not a christian - Bertrand Russell). My personal favourite is "God is not great" because it makes for light reading. I would recommend the audiobook simply cos it sounds good in Hitchens voice. There is another book I forgot to mention which is "The improbability of god". It is a series of papers written in response to theologians like william lane craig. Again it's good if you want nitty gritty, but they postulate a fair bit and a good grasp in philosophical jargon is a must. I also want to read 2 books written by Dan Barker which are more layman type of books.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #6 - August 13, 2009, 09:48 PM

    "God is not great"..Hitchens

    I like the sound of this one - anyone else read it?

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #7 - August 13, 2009, 10:03 PM

    I have read it.

    Hitchens came off slightly arrogant but it was a good read.

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #8 - August 13, 2009, 10:09 PM

    He's fairly entertaining to watch in a debate when it comes to religion itself. But he's shit at the whole existence of god type debate. The only decent debate I saw regarding this subject was this:-

    http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=062AF02665E47DBC&search_query=dan+barker+vs+hassanain
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #9 - August 13, 2009, 10:09 PM

    "Lol, i've read a few from the atheistic section. None from the Islamic and alot from the wish list.

    I have read Ayaan Hirsi book and i must say i was not impressed. With either book of hers that is.
    Also have read a few of Dawkins book, Harris, Hitchens and was extremley bored with the Santanic Verses and haven't completed it."

    I wasn't impressed with Ayaan Hirsi Ali at all, but wanted to finish what I started. She didn't seem particularly interested in Islam to begin with. I think when she became an atheist initially, her justification was weak. Although she may be able to justify her position philosophically now. What's worse is that guys like dawkins and harris always refer to her as some sort of scholar.


    Its nice to know i am not the one who disliked her book. She did come off unsure of her reasoning and her arguments were not strong at all.
    And maybe it is just me, it seemed to me she was aiming for sympathy vote in certain parts tbh

    And she is no such scholar, another thing i dislike. Why is she a source?
    She speaks for no one but herself, why do people act like she speaks for Muslim women?

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #10 - August 13, 2009, 10:16 PM

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    "God is not great"..Hitchens

     

    Thanks - i'm downloading it now as an audiobook.. I'll listen to it during my journeys to work and back so I'll have it finished within a week

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #11 - August 13, 2009, 10:18 PM

    Guys heres my reading list. It would be nice to compare what we have read and share recommendations.

    Enjoy!


    Blimey.  No light reading for you then.  

    Quote

    What the Koran Really Says: Language, Text and Commentary - Ibn Warraq
    Infidel - Ayaan Hirsi Ali


    I am wary of Hirsi Ali, and not interested in ibn Warraq. I tend to think that those books aren't meant for me anyway - the ex-Muslim.  I think they are meant for another audience.  


    Quote
    Portable Atheist: Essential Readings for the Non-Believer - Christopher Hitchens
    The God Delusion - Richard Dawkins
    Letter to a Christian Nation - Sam Harris
    Atheism: The Case Against God - George H. Smith
    God the Failed Hypothesis: How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist - Victor J. Stenger
    God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything - Christopher Hitchens


    I have read most of 'The God Delusion' and about half of 'God is Not Great'.  I have the other books but haven't read them yet.  I don't know if I will. I got them in a fit of enthusiasm and now I'm sort of getting over being an atheist, if you know what I mean.  Plus my life keeps intruding!  


    Quote
    Scattered Pictures: Reflections Of An American Muslim - Imam Zaid Shakir


    Half of that book, maybe more, is available on his website if you really care what he says. Which I don't, LOL. But back when I did sort of care, I noticed that the book is basically a rehashing of essays he'd already posted online or in a magazine, so I just flipped through it at a friend's house.


    Quote
    Fiqh Al-imam: Key Proofs In Hanafi Fiqh - Abdur-Rahman Ibn Yusuf


    Yuck. To be honest, I am glad I am through feeling obligated to read or purchase books like this, especially by people I find reprehensible, like this particular guy (why - because of his attitude towards women among other things).  

    Quote
    Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources - Martin Lings


    I used to think this book was quite lovely and maybe it is if you approach it as you would Greek myths or any other 'faerie' tales.  

    Quote
    Even Angels Ask: A Journey to Islam in America - Jeffrey Lang
    Losing My Religion: A Call For Help - Jeffrey Lang
    Struggling to Surrender: Some Impressions of an American Convert to Islam - Jeffrey Lang


    That man has some serious problems with the deen and I hope that he soon sees his way out, if he hasn't already.  I found his books depressing when I was a Muslim because I didn't like that he was pointing out all these horrible problems.  

    Quote
    The Broken Chain - Aftab Ahmad Malik


    I read it and can't remember anything about it.  Big impression!  

    Quote
    Al-Ghazali on the Remembrance of Death and the Afterlife - Abu Hamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al- Ghazali
    Al-Ghazali's Path to Sufism: His Deliverance from Error - Abu Hamid Muhammad al-Ghazali
    Inner Dimensions of Islamic Worship - Abu Hamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al- Ghazali


     mysmilie_977 The hikmah! The haqq! The wonders of Islam contained within his frontal lobe!  Actually, I have many of his works, some translated by our man Tim, but I always thought they were fairly boring.  I felt obligated to keep these works out and praise them, even though they did nothing for me.  

    Quote
    Purification of the Heart: Signs, Symptoms and Cures of the Spiritual Diseases of the Heart - Hamza Yusuf


    A great Ramadan read.   Tongue  


    For the most part, I don't want to read about Islam anymore. I am somewhat interested in the political side of things, but not too much.  I have so much on my plate right now, the most I can muster is chick-lit and light memoirs.  What I do wish is that there were books about people leaving Islam. I know ibn Warraq wrote one once, an anthology of essays or something, but I haven't seen it in years.

    [this space for rent]
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #12 - August 13, 2009, 10:19 PM

    She really is the type of apostates who give proper apostates a bad name. You know the ones who philosophically justify their position. Hence why apostates get laughed at by serious muslims. For a start muslims very rarely come face to face with apostates and having Ayaan Hirsi as some sort of spokesperson is simply laughable. Tariq Ali is good but he doesn't really write much about his own philosophical justification. Mind you his parents were apostates this is his bio.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_Ali
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #13 - August 13, 2009, 10:25 PM

    Ayaan is really really disliked among my circles and she does give us a bad name.
    I think she sold herself out, her books are aimed at a audience outside of us and she could have influenced positively but chose to just attack non stop, that is not the way to get things done tbh.




    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #14 - August 13, 2009, 10:39 PM

    Blimey.  No light reading for you then.  

    I am wary of Hirsi Ali, and not interested in ibn Warraq. I tend to think that those books aren't meant for me anyway - the ex-Muslim.  I think they are meant for another audience.  

    - I agree Hirsi Ali isn't really the right person if you want to know about why a muslim apostates, and what winds me up even more is that Sam Harris referred to her as some sort of intellectual in the field of Islam. No wonder people like HY don't take apostates seriously if this is the face of western islamic apostasy.


    I have read most of 'The God Delusion' and about half of 'God is Not Great'.  I have the other books but haven't read them yet.  I don't know if I will. I got them in a fit of enthusiasm and now I'm sort of getting over being an atheist, if you know what I mean.  Plus my life keeps intruding!  

     - I read these books in this huge frenzy when I became an atheist and now that I've got over the initial emotion of it. I really don't want to read anymore on this subject. I just have 1 or 2 on this subject. The heavier ones seem to postulate alot of stuff and become open to the sophistry of theologians.


    Half of that book, maybe more, is available on his website if you really care what he says. Which I don't, LOL. But back when I did sort of care, I noticed that the book is basically a rehashing of essays he'd already posted online or in a magazine, so I just flipped through it at a friend's house.

    - Zaid actually recommended this book to me as his answer to me in an email. He said this would clarify my doubts!


    Yuck. To be honest, I am glad I am through feeling obligated to read or purchase books like this, especially by people I find reprehensible, like this particular guy (why - because of his attitude towards women among other things).  

    - Yeah I bought this when I was going through the OCD of Hanafi fiqh.

    I used to think this book was quite lovely and maybe it is if you approach it as you would Greek myths or any other 'faerie' tales.  

    - I had this one on audio as well read by good old HY. This is still one of the better ones in the west, unless you wanna go through Tabbari's works.

    That man has some serious problems with the deen and I hope that he soon sees his way out, if he hasn't already.  I found his books depressing when I was a Muslim because I didn't like that he was pointing out all these horrible problems.  

    - Yeah Mr Lang seems to pop up on Youtube with the following caption "ATHEIST BECOMES MUSLIM LOOK SEE!" He was on the lecture circuit about a decade ago I think, but he seems to have disappeared from the face of the earth. Maybe he's seen sense and apostated.

    I read it and can't remember anything about it.  Big impression!  

    - Yeah I read this when I was checking out why the salafi's were so wrong (at least i thought)

     mysmilie_977 The hikmah! The haqq! The wonders of Islam contained within his frontal lobe!  Actually, I have many of his works, some translated by our man Tim, but I always thought they were fairly boring.  I felt obligated to keep these works out and praise them, even though they did nothing for me.  

    - Yep good old "HUJJAT-AL-ISLAM". The man who started the whole stagnation and prevented poor old Ibn Rushd a look in!

    A great Ramadan read.   Tongue  

    - Very new age. Just read works on Buddhism or Jainism as alternatives

    For the most part, I don't want to read about Islam anymore. I am somewhat interested in the political side of things, but not too much.  I have so much on my plate right now, the most I can muster is chick-lit and light memoirs.  What I do wish is that there were books about people leaving Islam. I know ibn Warraq wrote one once, an anthology of essays or something, but I haven't seen it in years.


    I am tempted to read "The venture of islam" though, but it's a rather long read and extends to three volumes.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #15 - August 13, 2009, 10:41 PM

    I'm in the middle of reading the bible, finished the old testament books and now in the middle of Luke II, I have to say, I like reading about the bloodthirsty and insane Israelites. This Jesus character is boring though....

    "I am ready to make my confession. I ask for no forgiveness father, for I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive. I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless-and with it, I did my best"
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #16 - August 13, 2009, 10:55 PM

    Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Fredich Wilhelm Nietzche is very good. There is a book called 'Islam the Arab Nationalist movement' by Anwar Sheikh - has anyone read it.

    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #17 - August 13, 2009, 11:05 PM

    I actually want to read both of these. I want to read all of Niezche's books. I never wanted to go near this guy when I was a muslim.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #18 - August 13, 2009, 11:07 PM

    The Anwar one is available online as an e-book. I read Neitzche at the height of being a zealous Muslim and it had a huge impact on me.

    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #19 - August 14, 2009, 10:47 AM

    Has anyone read any works by Hizb-Ut-Tahrir? Prticularly the ones by Taqi Nabhani. There are two I can think of called "System of Islam" and "Thought".
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #20 - August 14, 2009, 12:18 PM

    Yes, that guy is actually really thick and really doesn't understand the modern world

    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #21 - August 14, 2009, 12:26 PM

    I read the first chapter of "system of islam". Absolutely riddled with assumptions and non-sequitors!
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #22 - August 14, 2009, 02:42 PM

    The sections on sociology and psychology are hilarious

    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #23 - August 14, 2009, 02:48 PM

    Is that in the book called "thought"? I've not read that one but was told that it clears up the issues of "rationality" that people like us have with religion and faith. This person also said that he has never found a refutation to Taqi Nabhani's "rational proof" for the existence of god. I almost choked. He's obviously not looking in the right places.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #24 - August 14, 2009, 03:17 PM

    What? Your average 16 year old GCSE Science student could refute that 1950s Arab supremacist bollocks.

    Take the Pakman challenge and convince me there is a God and Mo was not a murdering, power hungry sex maniac.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #25 - August 14, 2009, 03:37 PM

    Yeah, when I was tinkering with HT, we used to go through all this stuff to try and "rationalise". The sufi's comepletely reject this concept altogether.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #26 - August 19, 2009, 07:54 AM

    Just finished reading "In defense of atheism" by Michel Onfray. Not the best and not the worst. Way too much angst though. Not as funny as "God is not great". Has anyone read the book "In God we doubt"?
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #27 - August 19, 2009, 08:21 AM

    Haven't read it but I love the title. Who is the author?

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #28 - August 19, 2009, 08:30 AM

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    Haven't read it but I love the title. Who is the author?


    The author is John Humphrys. Here it is on Amazon:-

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/God-We-Doubt-Confessions-Atheist/dp/0340951273/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250670505&sr=8-1
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #29 - August 19, 2009, 09:27 PM

    Just gonna start reading "Beyond Good and Evil" hope it's good! Tongue
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