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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #210 - March 05, 2010, 12:42 AM

    doesnt your missus kick up a stink?


    No, she is also a philosophy student.  Smiley

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #211 - March 05, 2010, 12:49 AM

    its good that you share that in common..

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     Reply #212 - March 05, 2010, 12:50 AM

    z10, you're a philosophy student?

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #213 - March 05, 2010, 12:51 AM

    I DO enjoy reading, but I think I have a relatively serious problem with procrastination, and this site has got to do something with it.


    I'm in the same predicament. Part of the reason why I'm in a bit of a mood.

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #214 - March 05, 2010, 12:52 AM

    z10, you're a philosophy student?


    yes I am, though I'm currently not in university, I'm taking a year out to study along my own lines.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #215 - March 05, 2010, 01:03 AM

    Never thought about doing that before. Are you doing a BA?

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  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #216 - March 05, 2010, 01:04 AM

    Yes, currently I am. I hope to eventually complete a Phd in the subject.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #217 - March 05, 2010, 01:08 AM

    Tremendous!  Smiley

    I guess you eventually want to become a lecturer in the subject?

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #218 - March 05, 2010, 01:13 AM

    Yes, that is the plan. It's the only profession I can see myself in at least. If not, I'll become a manual labourer and study metaphysics by night  Wink

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #219 - March 05, 2010, 01:20 AM

    Good luck!

    I'm currently in my 2nd year of a BA in Philosophy.

    I've been thinking about postgraduate study leading onto becoming a lecturer myself but I'm having doubts. Can I ask, why have you decided to take a year out? Have you done 2 years at uni (this gap year being your 3rd)? When did you decide you wanted to become a lecturer in Philosophy? And why? Why did you choose to study Philosophy to begin with? You're in your twenties right? So you didn't go straight from a levels?

    Hope that isn't too much to ask  grin12

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #220 - March 05, 2010, 02:00 AM

    No, it isn't too much to ask, but you'll have to bear with me through it all.

    I've always been interested in philosophy. I remember falling in love with the subject ever since I read the first page of the introduction to "The Story of Philosophy" by Will Durant as a 16 year old. I was a devout muslim at the time but was gradually becoming more and more sceptical of religion.
    I actually started a maths degree straight out of a levels and still as a muslim. It seemed like the best "economic" option even though I felt guilty for not taking my first love of philosophy. However, during the first year of maths I met my wife and we began to talk philosophy and I realised how useless and empty my current degree was. Feeling very restless and both of us being in existential crisis (I had just lost my faith in Islam) we decided to run away together to Greece to start a poetic, philosophical life together with nobody and nothing stopping us from whatever we wished to pursue. Needless to say, I was 20 at the time and she was 21, the plan wasn't thought out well at all, we were dashing romantics that had paid no heed to the pragmatic side of life and it all came unstuck. My traditional Pakistani family found out and I was transported to Pakistan to placate them and my wife returned to her home in Canada heartbroken. We spent the next year soulsearching and I made 2 visits to Canada in that time and we decided it was best for me to start a philosophy degree as I so wished to do but to remain in England so my family wouldn't feel aggrieved again.
    I started my philosophy degree in sept 08 and I couldnt get enough. I read around the subject as much as I could, from philosophy of mind to metaphysics to aesthetics. I expanded myself to take in everything I could manage because it was a dream come true. I finished my first year last may, decided enough was enough and have moved to Canada now to live with my wife. I will continue my formal education once I have become a Canadian resident but until then I am grateful for all the time that I have free to study as much as I want on any topic I feel like. It is really liberating to be able to study for study's sake, not to pass an exam or gain a silly piece of paper with BA on it.
    We both decided, quite independently, being both avid lovers of philosophy, that we can only ever see ourselves studying this subject for the rest of our lives. We will forever be students of this glorious love of wisdom and it seemed best to us to attempt at least, a postgraduate education and a formal position as a professional philosopher.
    Of course, one need not be a professional to be a philosopher and we both have doubts about how much we can acheive within the formal constraints of academia but we will try it at least. If not, philosophers we will remain but we just won't have all those letters after our names. Philosophy has been one of the great loves of my life and I cannot ever see myself turning away from it. It is not just a subject, it is a whole way of living, of being, of becoming. It's seeking the sublime and the beautiful in life and I am drunk on that beauty.


    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #221 - March 05, 2010, 02:05 AM

    I'm thinking about majoring in philosophy but Descartes is seriously killing my mood.

    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #222 - March 05, 2010, 02:56 AM

    What are you doing at the moment Iggy?

    (gonna read that paragraph now z10 )

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #223 - March 05, 2010, 03:16 AM

    z10, you chose to study Philosophy for reasons I can only describe as perfect  Smiley

    Were you originally living in England when you were doing your a levels and your degree in Maths? You've done a lot of travelling. At the age of 16 I was content with living in a small town in West Yorkshire, England, with no major plan in my life except to go to the mosque that was down my street 5 times a day. I would have been too nervous to catch a bus, that's how averse to travelling I was!

    We both became interested in Philosophy at around the same age! I was doing my final year of GCSEs when my Religious Studies teacher told us that we could go home and tell our parents that we're about to immerse ourselves in the study of a new subject called "PHILOSOPHY". At least I had no idea what on earth that word meant at the time. From then on I used to really look forward to Religious Studies lessons. Just dealing with various arguments upon counter-arguments (mainly for and against God) was just a thrill!

    I too felt the tug between studying what I was truly interested in and studying what would be the most economically fruitful course. Fortunately, though I am the first person in my family to go to university, and so there was a few expectations of me (to do a useful subject), I threw caution to the wind and decided to follow my true love. This was also despite pressure from the Muslim community that warned me of the harm that studying Philosophy would bring upon myself. I couldn't ignore how natural it felt.

    Also, we both started Philosophy at university at the same time - September 08. So you have done 1 year so far and you will return to do your 2nd year, right? I've never thought about taking a year out just to do some personal exploration into your subject without the constraints of essay deadlines and examinations. That's quite original! It also gives you a lot more bonus time to arm yourself with a greater knowledge base that will set you up for all subsequent years that you study philosophy. It's a good idea, but did you take this year out primarily because you wanted time to sort out other aspects of your life or primarily because you wanted to do some personal philosophical study?

    You certainly have a refreshing story and wish you all the success!

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #224 - March 05, 2010, 03:30 AM

    What are you doing at the moment Iggy?

    (gonna read that paragraph now z10 )

    I'm in my first year of university, just taking my BA requirements. I don't have to declare a major until my third year but English is already out the door for me. Actually, just yesterday I was thinking about dropping school altogether, after this year but I was reading your reply to z10 and you said that you're the first in your family to go to university. Me too, and I just remembered how much it means to not only my parents but everyone "back home" for me to finish university. 

    "Poor human nature, what horrible crimes have been committed in thy name!"
    - Emma Goldman
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #225 - March 05, 2010, 04:05 AM

    I am getting these books soon and will read each of them one by one:

    "Revolt Against The Modern World" by Julius Evola
     
    "Men Among The Ruins" by Julius Evola
     
    "Ride The Tiger" by Julius Evola
     
    "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley
     
    "Nineteen Eighty-Four" by George Orwell

    I would suggest people to give Evola a read. Dont let his positive vibes for national socialism and fascism fool you, when it comes to smartness...I have yet to find ANYONE as smart and as cynical as he is.

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #226 - March 05, 2010, 04:22 AM

    z10, you chose to study Philosophy for reasons I can only describe as perfect  Smiley
    ...


    Yes I was born and raised in England and have done all of my formal education there.
    I think sorting out my life and furthering my personal study of philosophy are too interlinked for their to be a difference, certainly both aspects played a part in my decision but I would say it's the same thing in a certain sense, to further my own philosophical education is to improve my situation in life. I hate the idea of keeping philosophy at an arm's length where you study it keenly at university but it makes no difference to your life once you leave campus and you are still the same person.



    Mod-edit: Shortened the quote.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #227 - March 05, 2010, 10:55 AM

    I'm in my first year of university, just taking my BA requirements. I don't have to declare a major until my third year but English is already out the door for me. Actually, just yesterday I was thinking about dropping school altogether, after this year but I was reading your reply to z10 and you said that you're the first in your family to go to university. Me too, and I just remembered how much it means to not only my parents but everyone "back home" for me to finish university. 


    I'm not sure how difficult this principle would be for you to follow in your situation, but strive to keep it nonetheless: study the course that is right for you. You'll know which course that is when you put aside all concerns of the worlds and look into your heart. It's like in Avatar where you pick the Banshee and the Banshee picks you  Smiley

    So what subject are you studying at the moment?

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #228 - March 05, 2010, 10:59 AM

    Understandable, z10. But did you choose to take a year out primarily to continue studying philosophy or primarily because there are some important people in your life who you thought you might be neglecting if you didn't take some time out from university?

    The unlived life is not worth examining.
  • Re: Reading List
     Reply #229 - March 13, 2010, 01:06 AM

    Just read this on a muslim canadians profile http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/profile.php?v=feed&story_fbid=363302377684&id=522770986 , who just converted to Judaism Cheesy lol

    Quote
    Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.

    Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

    Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

    Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

    When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

    Here's how it works:

    As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

    United States -- Muslim 0.6%
    Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
    Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
    China -- Muslim 1.8%
    Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
    Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

    At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

    Denmark -- Muslim 2%
    Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
    United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
    Spain -- Muslim 4%
    Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

    From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

    France -- Muslim 8%
    Philippines -- 5%
    Sweden -- Muslim 5%
    Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
    The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
    Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

    At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

    When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:

    Guyana -- Muslim 10%
    India -- Muslim 13.4%
    Israel -- Muslim 16%
    Kenya -- Muslim 10%
    Russia -- Muslim 15%

    After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

    Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

    At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

    Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
    Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
    Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

    From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

    Albania -- Muslim 70%
    Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
    Qatar -- Muslim 77..5%
    Sudan -- Muslim 70%

    After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

    Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
    Egypt -- Muslim 90%
    Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
    Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
    Iran -- Muslim 98%
    Iraq -- Muslim 97%
    Jordan -- Muslim 92%
    Morocco -- Muslim 98..7%
    Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
    Palestine -- Muslim 99%
    Syria -- Muslim 90%
    Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
    Turkey -- Muslim 99..8%
    United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

    100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

    Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
    Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
    Somalia -- Muslim 100%
    Yemen -- Muslim 100%

    Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

    'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life.. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

    It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

    Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.

     


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