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Mo and the sick lady
OP - August 15, 2009, 10:38 AM

I'm sure you have all heard the story about the lady who used to throw rubbish on Mo and once day she was sick and so Mo went around to see her and she was so moved by his kind soul that she embraced Islam.

Does anyone have a reference for this story, any Hadith or Seerat?

I think it's made up personally. If someone did throw rubbish at Mo he would have had them killed or sold in slavery for women, after boning them first.

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Reply #1 - August 15, 2009, 10:48 AM

A story w\ no reference in Islam;

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=4520.msg116597#msg116597

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Reply #2 - August 15, 2009, 11:15 AM

I couldnot find it either lol
Funny thing all the good stories turn out to be made up ..
Also the hadeeth that said , " take half ur deen from Aysha" . i swear ppl used to say that to prove that women are honored in islam , couldnot find it anywhere to be authentic :-/
Am disappointed

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Reply #3 - August 15, 2009, 11:53 AM

Quote from: pakman on August 15, 2009, 10:38 AM
I'm sure you have all heard the story about the lady who used to throw rubbish on Mo and once day she was sick and so Mo went around to see her and she was so moved by his kind soul that she embraced Islam.

Does anyone have a reference for this story, any Hadith or Seerat?

I think it's made up personally. If someone did throw rubbish at Mo he would have had them killed or sold in slavery for women, after boning them first.

Yep, we've been through this before with the link Wiss sent. Same applies to the Muezza his cat, when he cut his garment so she could stay asleep.

They both are

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Reply #4 - August 15, 2009, 11:56 AM

Found it, here it is (NB I have since logged onto wiki and changed the story slightly - you will see now it admits to having no source!)

Quote from: IsLame on February 27, 2009, 04:12 PM
I was just about to write the same thing as I must have discovered it at the same time as you. I think its shocking!

Every place I have looked quotes this cat story, without a source, even Wiki! Wiki points the source as another website, when you look at this source it quotes the source as Wiki. AAArgghh!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muezza

I am very disappointed about this, as this was one of the only 2 examples I remembered from childhood as examples of the prophet at his best. However I was conned. The other turned out to be a fake too.

I wonder where this story came from, as it is a hugely popular and recycled myth that now has Wikipedia as its source. This should not happen, and wiki should have procedures to prevent this from happening, otherwise how many others will continue to be sold this story?

Wiki is often happily referenced by those at this site, and was very convenient, but this one example proves wiki's lack of reliability.

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Reply #5 - August 15, 2009, 06:03 PM

Quote from: pakman on August 15, 2009, 10:38 AM
I'm sure you have all heard the story about the lady who used to throw rubbish on Mo and once day she was sick and so Mo went around to see her and she was so moved by his kind soul that she embraced Islam.

Does anyone have a reference for this story, any Hadith or Seerat?

I think it's made up personally. If someone did throw rubbish at Mo he would have had them killed or sold in slavery for women, after boning them first.

It's not a hadith, I don't know if it's in sira. Either way, it's probably apocryphal. Some of the Muslims claim that it wasn't a woman, it was a man. Some say he / she was pagan, others say he / she was Jewish. Personally I don't see Muhammad reacting so peacefully to someone throwing garbage down on him day after day after day.

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Reply #6 - August 15, 2009, 08:43 PM

I know what you mean fading.

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Reply #7 - August 16, 2009, 09:53 AM

I think there is a Hassan style vid in this - false stories attributed to Mo. Personally I think they were tales collected from Persian, Byzantine and Hindu folklore.

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Reply #8 - August 16, 2009, 11:39 PM

Quote from: fading on August 15, 2009, 06:03 PM
It's not a hadith, I don't know if it's in sira.

It's not. A Muslim member of topix (summarized in the link) gave the story as 'proof' that Muhammad treated Jews kindly. Of course when I showed her I had Ibn Ishaq's sira and asked her WHERE it was, she was of course unable to tell me *where* in the biography the story was.

But if I didn't have the Sira, she would have been content to continue on stating the story was 'definitely in there.' lol

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Reply #9 - August 17, 2009, 09:51 AM

I read somewhere (Islamic) it's mentioned in:

Ibn Kathir's (Al-Bedaya Wa Al-Nehaya) = (The Beginning and the End);

yet the writer himself was not sure, and never gave a page #, and said that this story, even if it's mentioned in the above mentioned Sira, or any other:

doesn't enjoy any known Isnad and tawatur.

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